CLS and TLS Top Speed?!?!?!? 0 - 60 Times?!?!?!
03-15-2001, 08:55 PM
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CLS and TLS Top Speed?!?!?!? 0 - 60 Times?!?!?!
Can someone help in this one?
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03-15-2001, 10:57 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by M3Sins:
Can someone help in this one?
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Can someone help in this one?
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The 0..60 time is highly variable. My 6.1 time is rounded to the tenth, since I think the GTECH is not THAT accurate. The time I got was with a very light gas load and very cold outside temps and very, very sticky tires (average of runs going in both directions). I'm also a big guy, so I need to cut my self in half to be competitive with some of the other folks.
Depending on gas load and temp, here is a cross section of times (no light wheels, mods, etc)
5.9 -- low gas, skinny person, and low temps.
6.6 -- full tank, big driver, and 90 degree day.
Sorry, no figures for the TLS
Don't forget, that sticky tires, lightened rims, and other non-engine related changes can make a big difference
(Just my own opinions, experience, and recollections from other postings.) Sorry, no test track, laser range finder, 3rd wheel, and radar
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03-15-2001, 11:10 PM
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Well the CL-S and the TL-S will probably be in the low 6's like around 6.2-6.5.
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4.soon maybe a TL-S
03-16-2001, 12:10 AM
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Is there any way of calculating how much additional weight will decrease how much hp?
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03-16-2001, 02:49 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM:
Well the CL-S and the TL-S will probably be in the low 6's like around 6.2-6.5.
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Well the CL-S and the TL-S will probably be in the low 6's like around 6.2-6.5.
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03-16-2001, 01:05 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by amirsafdari:
Is there any way of calculating how much additional weight will decrease how much hp?
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Is there any way of calculating how much additional weight will decrease how much hp?
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03-16-2001, 03:13 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by M3Sins:
Yeah, I would love to find the answer to this question. It wouldn't actually be 'decrease' hp, it would be how much would that tally the hp and torque? Any comments?
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Yeah, I would love to find the answer to this question. It wouldn't actually be 'decrease' hp, it would be how much would that tally the hp and torque? Any comments?
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For every 100 lbs added to a vehicle's gross weight, you'll gain .1 seconds in a quarter mile drag race. Of course this works in reverse also. Drop 100 lbs from your car and you'll pick up about .1 seconds in the quarter mile.
This is fairly accurate for cars weighing 2800-3800 lbs.
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Well buddha thank you. i worked hard for it.
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4.soon maybe a TL-S
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2.2001 Corvette Z06 Doug Thorley headers, Borla cat back exhaust, 18in Team Loco's, Eibach Springs, Koni adj. shocks.
3.1998 328i (for now), 18in. Fittipaldi's.
4.soon maybe a TL-S
03-27-2001, 05:27 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tom2:
An old drag racer's rule of thumb:
For every 100 lbs added to a vehicle's gross weight, you'll gain .1 seconds in a quarter mile drag race. Of course this works in reverse also. Drop 100 lbs from your car and you'll pick up about .1 seconds in the quarter mile.
This is fairly accurate for cars weighing 2800-3800 lbs.
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An old drag racer's rule of thumb:
For every 100 lbs added to a vehicle's gross weight, you'll gain .1 seconds in a quarter mile drag race. Of course this works in reverse also. Drop 100 lbs from your car and you'll pick up about .1 seconds in the quarter mile.
This is fairly accurate for cars weighing 2800-3800 lbs.
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03-27-2001, 06:17 PM
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Hypothetical question:
Say "car A" does the 1/4 mile in 15.0 seconds and "car B" does it in 15.1 seconds. How much distance would "car A" win by?
Say "car A" does the 1/4 mile in 15.0 seconds and "car B" does it in 15.1 seconds. How much distance would "car A" win by?
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holdz up.....if da governer is set at 147....d.en i am gettin totally ripped.....cuz like me and my friend were goin at it.....he has an is300....and like we were goin on 190 *dallas*.....and like my car *cl-s* wouldnt go past 130....so give me a hint on wut it coulda been dat slowed mah azz down....cuz i took him till 130...afta dat he slipped by me....which blowed like whoa....
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060 times ok, but who really gets their car up to 147mph. that would take like 2-3min due to the fact that our car hits a block after 110. and where r u driving at 147? i hope not by me
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Type S Smokes All:
060 times ok, but who really gets their car up to 147mph. that would take like 2-3min due to the fact that our car hits a block after 110. and where r u driving at 147? i hope not by me
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060 times ok, but who really gets their car up to 147mph. that would take like 2-3min due to the fact that our car hits a block after 110. and where r u driving at 147? i hope not by me
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How does GPS tell u how fast your goin?
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04-05-2001, 03:24 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Type S Smokes All:
060 times ok, but who really gets their car up to 147mph. that would take like 2-3min due to the fact that our car hits a block after 110. and where r u driving at 147? i hope not by me
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060 times ok, but who really gets their car up to 147mph. that would take like 2-3min due to the fact that our car hits a block after 110. and where r u driving at 147? i hope not by me
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I haven't experienced the "block" at 110 factor. I find that runs are very fast to 130. (no header, no intake, just very light wheels, and no head wind).
I had a witness, who couldn't believe the speedo, when I asked them to look. So, maybe the speedo is off by 2-4 mph. (A guy had the AAA check his speedo and his was about 3 mph high at these speeds.)
04-05-2001, 03:54 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Type S Smokes All:
How does GPS tell u how fast your goin?
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How does GPS tell u how fast your goin?
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All GPS units can present the velocity, if fitted with the appropriate software.
If you know position, and you know time, then you know average velocity. The GPS satellites provide time and position information in 3 dimensions (with 4 or more satellites in "view").
GPS provides constant longitude(x), latitude(y), and altitude(z) info. This x,y, and z (3-dimensional data) is computed with very precise times.
SO:
Velocity = Distance / Time.
Velocity = (change in position) / (change in time)
Velocity = (GPS_Pos2 - GPS_Pos1) / (Time_at_Pos2 - Time_at_Pos1)
Note: (GPS_Pos2 - GPS_Pos1) is (x2,y2,z2) - (x1,y1,z1) (a vector quantity), so the magnitude (length) of the vector needs to be found.
GPS_Pos2 (x2,y2,z2) and GPS_Pos1 (x1,y1,z1) are the positions of the vehicle at Time_at_Pos2 and Time_at_Pos1.
So:
Distance = ( (x2-x1)^2 + (y2-y1)^2 + (z2-z1)^2) )^(1/2).
By constantly computing the new position vs. the last one (with the corresponding times), a GPS unit will display the current velocity.
[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 04-05-2001).]
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by EricL:
There is a relatively new GPS stand-alone device that lets boaters, cars, etc. read there speed and it only uses the GPS signals from space (It is just a GPS speedometer).
All GPS units can present the velocity, if fitted with the appropriate software.
If you know position, and you know time, then you know average velocity. The GPS satellites provide time and position information in 3 dimensions (with 4 or more satellites in "view").
GPS provides constant longitude(x), latitude(y), and altitude(z) info. This x,y, and z (3-dimensional data) is computed with very precise times.
SO:
Velocity = Distance / Time.
Velocity = (change in position) / (change in time)
Velocity = (GPS_Pos2 - GPS_Pos1) / (Time_at_Pos2 - Time_at_Pos1)
Note: The GPS_Pos2 - GPS_Pos1 is (x2,y2,z2) - (x1,y1,z2) (a vector quantity), so the magnitude (length) of the vector needs to be found.
GPS_Pos2 (x2,y2,z2) and GPS_Pos1 (x1,y1,z1) are the positions of the vehicle at Time_at_Pos2 and Time_at_Pos1.
So:
Distance = ( (x2-x1)^2 + (y2-y1)^2 + (z2-z1)^2) )^(1/2).
By constantly computing the new position vs. the last one (with the corresponding times), a GPS unit will display the current velocity.
[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 04-05-2001).]</font>
There is a relatively new GPS stand-alone device that lets boaters, cars, etc. read there speed and it only uses the GPS signals from space (It is just a GPS speedometer).
All GPS units can present the velocity, if fitted with the appropriate software.
If you know position, and you know time, then you know average velocity. The GPS satellites provide time and position information in 3 dimensions (with 4 or more satellites in "view").
GPS provides constant longitude(x), latitude(y), and altitude(z) info. This x,y, and z (3-dimensional data) is computed with very precise times.
SO:
Velocity = Distance / Time.
Velocity = (change in position) / (change in time)
Velocity = (GPS_Pos2 - GPS_Pos1) / (Time_at_Pos2 - Time_at_Pos1)
Note: The GPS_Pos2 - GPS_Pos1 is (x2,y2,z2) - (x1,y1,z2) (a vector quantity), so the magnitude (length) of the vector needs to be found.
GPS_Pos2 (x2,y2,z2) and GPS_Pos1 (x1,y1,z1) are the positions of the vehicle at Time_at_Pos2 and Time_at_Pos1.
So:
Distance = ( (x2-x1)^2 + (y2-y1)^2 + (z2-z1)^2) )^(1/2).
By constantly computing the new position vs. the last one (with the corresponding times), a GPS unit will display the current velocity.
[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 04-05-2001).]</font>
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04-05-2001, 04:10 PM
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Well, when someone wants to know, they can't fault a "full" answer.
BTW -- I got one of the subscripts wrong in your quote. I was fixing it when you were replying.
Boy, everyone is so choosy. I've been hasled now for not enough info, then too much info, then I don't get enough attention. Boy....
I enjoyed Physics and Math (when I had a good teacher). I had a lot of these boring, monotone lectures that put me too sleep too.
Well, at least you can turn the computer off now
BTW -- I got one of the subscripts wrong in your quote. I was fixing it when you were replying.
Boy, everyone is so choosy. I've been hasled now for not enough info, then too much info, then I don't get enough attention. Boy....
I enjoyed Physics and Math (when I had a good teacher). I had a lot of these boring, monotone lectures that put me too sleep too.
Well, at least you can turn the computer off now
04-07-2001, 10:07 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Satin Slayer:
Hypothetical question:
Say "car A" does the 1/4 mile in 15.0 seconds and "car B" does it in 15.1 seconds. How much distance would "car A" win by?</font>
Hypothetical question:
Say "car A" does the 1/4 mile in 15.0 seconds and "car B" does it in 15.1 seconds. How much distance would "car A" win by?</font>
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i just took my tl-s to ~148mph on the way to AC this weekend... and it did get to 130 really quick, and then its a kind of normal pull to 140 and then really slow to 150... when i posted on the TLS forum, i got flamed ... i just posted the same story here if you're interested,
http://www.acura-cl.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000147.html
and i got the gtech today, so i'll have some numbers after this weekend
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I pulled 0-60 in 5.85 secs with Gtech...
The road/weather conditisions were perfect. I was half way down on the gas tank and I weigh only 170 lbs.
I'm still trying to get my ass to the track to find out some real numbers. I don't trust Gtech too much these days...
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The road/weather conditisions were perfect. I was half way down on the gas tank and I weigh only 170 lbs.
I'm still trying to get my ass to the track to find out some real numbers. I don't trust Gtech too much these days...
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04-13-2001, 10:42 PM
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according to MT.. TLS 0-60 is 6.28
therefore CLS should be lil bit faster.. butnot much.
therefore CLS should be lil bit faster.. butnot much.
04-15-2001, 12:08 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ZodiakTL:
i just took my tl-s to ~148mph on the way to AC this weekend... and it did get to 130 really quick, and then its a kind of normal pull to 140 and then really slow to 150... when i posted on the TLS forum, i got flamed... i just posted the same story here if you're interested,
http://www.acura-cl.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000147.html
and i got the gtech today, so i'll have some numbers after this weekend
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i just took my tl-s to ~148mph on the way to AC this weekend... and it did get to 130 really quick, and then its a kind of normal pull to 140 and then really slow to 150... when i posted on the TLS forum, i got flamed
... i just posted the same story here if you're interested, http://www.acura-cl.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000147.html
and i got the gtech today, so i'll have some numbers after this weekend
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I was getting rid of some pesky bugs in the back.
Car only had the lighted wheels at the moment and I think the TLS and CLS are very close in weight, HP, and aerodynamics...
So, I believe you.
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according to MT.. TLS 0-60 is 6.28
therefore CLS should be lil bit faster.. butnot much.
How should the CL-S be a "lil" bit faster?
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Headers !
What kind of speed increase with the headers ? Noticeable ?
What kind of speed increase with the headers ? Noticeable ?
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TLSWhiz:
according to MT.. TLS 0-60 is 6.28
therefore CLS should be lil bit faster.. butnot much.
How should the CL-S be a "lil" bit faster?
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according to MT.. TLS 0-60 is 6.28
therefore CLS should be lil bit faster.. butnot much.
How should the CL-S be a "lil" bit faster?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by EricL:
I don't why you should get flamed. I was up the coast, stayed in 3rd till about 113mph(close enough) and 130 (in 4th) came up pretty fast.
I was getting rid of some pesky bugs in the back.
Car only had the lighted wheels at the moment and I think the TLS and CLS are very close in weight, HP, and aerodynamics...
So, I believe you.
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I don't why you should get flamed. I was up the coast, stayed in 3rd till about 113mph(close enough) and 130 (in 4th) came up pretty fast.
I was getting rid of some pesky bugs in the back.
Car only had the lighted wheels at the moment and I think the TLS and CLS are very close in weight, HP, and aerodynamics...
So, I believe you.
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06-20-2001, 02:08 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BPUKiller:
I know I hae a lowly 3.2 TL but I ran it to 139mph according to my GPS on my way to vegas. Some guy in a Suburban tried to show me some SVU power and raced me. I think he turned into a dot at 110 MPH and was gone. SUV have power but they have 2 tons of fun and brick-like Cd aerodynamics. I'm just not into them I guess.
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I know I hae a lowly 3.2 TL but I ran it to 139mph according to my GPS on my way to vegas. Some guy in a Suburban tried to show me some SVU power and raced me. I think he turned into a dot at 110 MPH and was gone. SUV have power but they have 2 tons of fun and brick-like Cd aerodynamics. I'm just not into them I guess.
Sam
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TLSWhiz:
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How should the CL-S be a "lil" bit faster?
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How should the CL-S be a "lil" bit faster?
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Cl-s is 3510 lb and the TL-S 3560lb
TL-S Just a little heaver but could knock a .05 or or so
then again could be the same.
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