CLS Clutch Recommendations?
08-04-2005, 03:12 PM
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Okay, I talked to ClutchMasters. What I am writing here is my opinion only.... it is not proven fact.
Someone (probably of one of the two people here) sent ClutchMasters a Comptech flywheel which I believed they copied. They then matched various stages of a sprung disc and a 'mystery' pressure-plate. When I asked ClutchMassters how their pressure-plate differs from the stock unit, they stated that other than the 'color' one cannot tell the difference. He then mentioned that they 'remove' the self-adjusting mechanism and heat-treat the diaphragm to provide better clamping force. I suggested that removing the self-adjusting mechanism would make the pressure-plate look quite different visually... he then corrected himself and said that they would look different...
He also mentioned that I would not 'feel' any difference with their pressure-plate. In my experience... ANY modification to the clamping force of the pressure-plate can be felt even in a dampened hydraulic system.
Now, they do offer various stages of discs.... 4-puck, 6-puck with kevlar, ceramic or a combination. They quoted $950 for the flywheel and $350 for the disc. The entire package with the pressure-plate is $1800. He also mentioned that they don't think the stock pressure-plate would work with their flywheel so they won't warranty their clutch unless everything is purchased as a package.
While they may be providing an upgraded product I think they have merely copied the Comptech flywheel, supplied a unique clutch disc and possibly do something to the factory pressure-plate. I asked them if I could check-out one of these systems personally and they said that it is 'made-to-order' and I would have to pre-pay first. I hope I am wrong because I personally would love to get my hands on a flywheel + disc + stronger pressure-plate with the self-adjusting removed, but I think I am dreaming....
Just my $0.02 worth!
Someone (probably of one of the two people here) sent ClutchMasters a Comptech flywheel which I believed they copied. They then matched various stages of a sprung disc and a 'mystery' pressure-plate. When I asked ClutchMassters how their pressure-plate differs from the stock unit, they stated that other than the 'color' one cannot tell the difference. He then mentioned that they 'remove' the self-adjusting mechanism and heat-treat the diaphragm to provide better clamping force. I suggested that removing the self-adjusting mechanism would make the pressure-plate look quite different visually... he then corrected himself and said that they would look different...
He also mentioned that I would not 'feel' any difference with their pressure-plate. In my experience... ANY modification to the clamping force of the pressure-plate can be felt even in a dampened hydraulic system.Now, they do offer various stages of discs.... 4-puck, 6-puck with kevlar, ceramic or a combination. They quoted $950 for the flywheel and $350 for the disc. The entire package with the pressure-plate is $1800. He also mentioned that they don't think the stock pressure-plate would work with their flywheel so they won't warranty their clutch unless everything is purchased as a package.
While they may be providing an upgraded product I think they have merely copied the Comptech flywheel, supplied a unique clutch disc and possibly do something to the factory pressure-plate. I asked them if I could check-out one of these systems personally and they said that it is 'made-to-order' and I would have to pre-pay first. I hope I am wrong because I personally would love to get my hands on a flywheel + disc + stronger pressure-plate with the self-adjusting removed, but I think I am dreaming....
Just my $0.02 worth!
08-04-2005, 04:28 PM
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So I Am Not Lying About The Set Up Thank You!! You Guys Should Be Beleivers What Can Be Done! Will Be Done!! Oh And The Part # For Act Is 6p24oj Or If You Want The 4 Puck It Is 4p24oj.
08-04-2005, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by superchargedcls
So I Am Not Lying About The Set Up Thank You!! You Guys Should Be Beleivers What Can Be Done! Will Be Done!! Oh And The Part # For Act Is 6p24oj Or If You Want The 4 Puck It Is 4p24oj.
08-04-2005, 11:39 PM
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To my understanding of how this works... removing the self-adjusting mechanism would result in varying pressure (i.e. contact force) as the clutch disc wears out with time and use.
08-05-2005, 06:23 AM
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$1800 thats a bunch of sh**!!! they charged me $ 1200.00 for the whole set-up, if you cant get them to lower the price send me $1300 pay -pal and i will get it done 4 you and shipped to your door, and the part about the stock and upgraded pressure plate being the same thickness is a lie.. when i tore up the full kevlar pucked disk clutchmasters asked me if the could "MILL" the upgraded one so i wouldnt go through disks so fast because it is warrantied, of course i said hell no!!!!! i live about half hour from their facility and know the people there pretty good.. tell them mike from downey with the cl-s that they blue printed the package from sent you and the price and they will hook you up.. i will call them tomorrow and let them know that fellow cl-s owners will be calling ..$1200+shipping no more and stand your ground if they dont budge...they afterall are a business and want to make money and please their clientel..
08-05-2005, 06:33 AM
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and by the way " allmotor 2000" you wont rip the rivets off, you will rip the clutch surface also called "the face" off the rivets. and if you havent ran into that with your stock disk then you must not go over 4k rpms, and really dont like to use your 420whp?
08-05-2005, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cl8trr
and by the way " allmotor 2000" you wont rip the rivets off, you will rip the clutch surface also called "the face" off the rivets. and if you havent ran into that with your stock disk then you must not go over 4k rpms, and really dont like to use your 420whp?
I drive my car quite hard everyday - anybody that knows me can attest to this. Anyways, I think the stock clutch is okay except for hard shifts into 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th when the gearing is so high that you could slip the clutch - I tend to go easy on the shifts for this purpose.In any case I'd like to see your 489whp CL-S - maybe we can get a little race going
anxiously awaiting the 489whp specifications/pictures...
489 crank HP, ow wheel HP ?
08-08-2005, 04:39 PM
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Hmm, still waiting for details concerning the 489 hp cls. Pics, details, specifications please. Turbo? I doubt this power would be made by supercharger. Those numbers are well beyond the limit of the comptech unit. Very curious about this. Please reply.
08-08-2005, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by N.O.6speed
Hmm, still waiting for details concerning the 489 hp cls. Pics, details, specifications please. Turbo? I doubt this power would be made by supercharger. Those numbers are well beyond the limit of the comptech unit. Very curious about this. Please reply.
08-08-2005, 09:40 PM
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We all are! Wonder what happened to that fella.??
08-09-2005, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cl8trr
$1800 thats a bunch of sh**!!! they charged me $ 1200.00 for the whole set-up, if you cant get them to lower the price send me $1300 pay -pal and i will get it done 4 you and shipped to your door
08-10-2005, 05:15 PM
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thinjim, first of all 
this is you 
so wake up 
i need to get a camera so i can put up pics.. but i will be at the meet this sunday so 
by the way im powered by a turbonetics set-up.. thank you turbonetics 
so when do you want to get your ass spanked slimjim?
this is you so wake up i need to get a camera so i can put up pics.. but i will be at the meet this sunday so by the way im powered by a turbonetics set-up.. thank you turbonetics so when do you want to get your ass spanked slimjim?
08-10-2005, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by cl8trr
thinjim, first of all this is you so wake up i need to get a camera so i can put up pics.. but i will be at the meet this sunday so by the way im powered by a turbonetics set-up.. thank you turbonetics so when do you want to get your ass spanked slimjim?
this is you so wake up i need to get a camera so i can put up pics.. but i will be at the meet this sunday so by the way im powered by a turbonetics set-up.. thank you turbonetics so when do you want to get your ass spanked slimjim?
08-10-2005, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by cl8trr
thinjim, first of all this is you so wake up i need to get a camera so i can put up pics.. but i will be at the meet this sunday so by the way im powered by a turbonetics set-up.. thank you turbonetics so when do you want to get your ass spanked slimjim?
this is you so wake up i need to get a camera so i can put up pics.. but i will be at the meet this sunday so by the way im powered by a turbonetics set-up.. thank you turbonetics so when do you want to get your ass spanked slimjim?FYI: ThinJim is building a CL-S that will have much more than 489whp so i'd hate for you to eat your words later.
08-10-2005, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Nice picture of the Comptech setup:
08-10-2005, 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by peakpowermotoring
I really dont think anyone here is trying to be a dick about it but we are really interested in your setup. 489whp can easily be done on these motors and thats why we are so intrigued...No offense dude, we're just excited about fast CL's...
No need to get defensive cl8trr. If the bar has been raised, we're all interested in the path to 489whp. That's what these forums are about - helping others achieve more.
08-11-2005, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Allout
No need to get defensive cl8trr. If the bar has been raised, we're all interested in the path to 489whp. That's what these forums are about - helping others achieve more.
08-16-2005, 02:22 PM
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HERES WHAT I WANT..lol
these people are the only people i know that build the trannys to hold massive power and they also build motors too welll over 400 hp for a 3.2 and 3.5 motors check it out super sicl work made to be beat on all day long.. these motors might actuall ymake u the fastest cl around..LOL http://www.cgperformance.com/honda_c...deck_block.htm http://www.cgperformance.com/honda_turn-key_motors.htm 
08-16-2005, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by N.O.6speed
It looks likes cl8trr was bull shootin' everyone on the 489 hp cls-6.......Oh well.
08-16-2005, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KILL4FAYGO
these people are the only people i know that build the trannys to hold massive power and they also build motors too welll over 400 hp for a 3.2 and 3.5 motors check it out super sicl work made to be beat on all day long.. these motors might actuall ymake u the fastest cl around..LOL http://www.cgperformance.com/honda_c...deck_block.htm http://www.cgperformance.com/honda_turn-key_motors.htm
How is that to fit in the engine bay of our cars? That has to be designed for sandrail applications.
08-16-2005, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by scalbert
Where exactly does that turbo fit in a J-Series equiped car. 