CLS 6 vs. Evo MR
07-06-2007, 12:21 PM
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CLS 6 vs. Evo MR
My friend just got an MR and he wants to race when he gets back from Japan.
I know spec wise, he'll kill me, but does the cl stand any chance at all. Even w/ my bolt-ons and his stock, would it even be interesting?
I know spec wise, he'll kill me, but does the cl stand any chance at all. Even w/ my bolt-ons and his stock, would it even be interesting?
07-06-2007, 01:31 PM
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Well...
Owning a turbo tl and owning an evo...
I think you have no chance unless you have quite of bit of mods. If you are talking about an 06 evo 9 MR, it has a different turbo then the prior models and individuals have been breaking high 12(12.8-12.9) stock and low 12s with just a few more mods.
In that same token, its all about the driver but the evo 9 is a different beast from the evo 8(03-05 models).
Good luck.
Owning a turbo tl and owning an evo...
I think you have no chance unless you have quite of bit of mods. If you are talking about an 06 evo 9 MR, it has a different turbo then the prior models and individuals have been breaking high 12(12.8-12.9) stock and low 12s with just a few more mods.
In that same token, its all about the driver but the evo 9 is a different beast from the evo 8(03-05 models).
Good luck.
07-06-2007, 08:48 PM
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Even from the roll, i dont think he would have much as of chance, against an evo 8 yes, but not against the 9 imo. I haven't seen a stock evo 9 flashed, but heard they can break 300whp with a base flash and no mods, dont know if thats true. I did 245whp & 250wtq stock when I dynoed my 8 originally so anything possible. Again, good luck but try not to race them off the line. If he has that launch control feature(with a base flash), he will put a few cars inbetween you from the start.
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07-06-2007, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by blk2001tlon19s
Even from the roll, i dont think he would have much as of chance, against an evo 8 yes, but not against the 9 imo. I haven't seen a stock evo 9 flashed, but heard they can break 300whp with a base flash and no mods, dont know if thats true. I did 245whp & 250wtq stock when I dynoed my 8 originally so anything possible. Again, good luck but try not to race them off the line. If he has that launch control feature(with a base flash), he will put a few cars inbetween you from the start.
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hope so, we'll try both (dig & roll). He got the 07 so it's going to be interesting. I've never raced one before, or an sti, so hopefully I can hold my own or at least keep up.
Yea, in Japan there's some annual racing event going on and i guess hes gonna be in it. He said theres skylines everywhere and there used as daily drivers. Wish we had that here!
Yea, in Japan there's some annual racing event going on and i guess hes gonna be in it. He said theres skylines everywhere and there used as daily drivers. Wish we had that here!
07-08-2007, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by horsepowercrzy18
i got smoked by an sti lol. 1st gear i was ahead. 2nd gear he pulled a lil. 3rd he lost the hell outa me lol
07-09-2007, 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AznX TL
07 sti's are making over 30whp on just a intake.
07-09-2007, 10:23 AM
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You're all on crack...
2003 Acura 3.2CL Type-S 6.5 14.9
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 4.8 13.4
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 4.5 13.3 (MT Dec '05)
2006 Subaru Impreza STi 4.7 13.5 (C&D)
2003 Acura 3.2CL Type-S 6.5 14.9
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 4.8 13.4
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 4.5 13.3 (MT Dec '05)
2006 Subaru Impreza STi 4.7 13.5 (C&D)
07-09-2007, 01:34 PM
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You're all on crack...
2003 Acura 3.2CL Type-S 6.5 14.9
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 4.8 13.4
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 4.5 13.3 (MT Dec '05)
2006 Subaru Impreza STi 4.7 13.5 (C&D)
2003 Acura 3.2CL Type-S 6.5 14.9
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 4.8 13.4
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 4.5 13.3 (MT Dec '05)
2006 Subaru Impreza STi 4.7 13.5 (C&D)
Although your car is heavier then mine, you still stand a chance. If you can get your car past 260whp, I think you will be able to hang with a stock MR. I can trap in the 102's so that definitley allows me to keep up with them off a roll.
07-09-2007, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Accord_V6_400m
Stop mag racing and look at the traps of all these cars
Although your car is heavier then mine, you still stand a chance. If you can get your car past 260whp, I think you will be able to hang with a stock MR. I can trap in the 102's so that definitley allows me to keep up with them off a roll.
Although your car is heavier then mine, you still stand a chance. If you can get your car past 260whp, I think you will be able to hang with a stock MR. I can trap in the 102's so that definitley allows me to keep up with them off a roll.
07-09-2007, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
Mag racing? They're numbers to compare the cars in question. I do believe he asked if HIS CL w/ HIS bolt-ons would at least hang with an MR. With HIS mods he's probably around 230-240 WHP at the very best, far from the 260+ WHP you're suggesting he needs to hang. I'm not saying there's no CLs out there that can hang or beat an MR, I'm just saying with HIS bolt-ons he won't stand a chance. Thank you.
Unless this kid knows how to brake boost, he's going to get turbo lag from a roll. The gearing from the 6 speed tranny results in slower times than the 5 speed.
Chance is no different than probability. And to say he has a ZERO chance in winning is the same as stating he has a ZERO probability in winning. And based on real life scenarios/events, that is an inaccurate statement.
And if the original question was whether he can hang with the Evo (not beat, just hang), then the answer is obvious he stands a chance in hanging with a stock evo...
07-09-2007, 10:58 PM
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Went to one of the local evo shops today to pick up some parts but saw they were doing some dyno tuning so I figured I would stick around and a stock evo 9 with an aem intake and a base flash, gained 53wtq and 52.4whp. This is one of the lowest reading dynos in our area. Just an fyi, even though you said it was stock.
07-09-2007, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
You're all on crack...
2003 Acura 3.2CL Type-S 6.5 14.9
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 4.8 13.4
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 4.5 13.3 (MT Dec '05)
2006 Subaru Impreza STi 4.7 13.5 (C&D)
2003 Acura 3.2CL Type-S 6.5 14.9
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII 4.8 13.4
2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR 4.5 13.3 (MT Dec '05)
2006 Subaru Impreza STi 4.7 13.5 (C&D)
Not sure if you mean all of us, I own an Evo and I stated I didn't think he had a chance unless its a drivers error, especially against an evo 9. Evo 8, he may have a chance. As stated before, people have pulled a high 12.9 stock however with driver error, any car can be beat depending on what the starting point is and where they are stopping at.
07-09-2007, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by krisdlm
great, arent evo's supposed to be faster than sti's? Not good news
stock for stock, the sti has more power however from what I have seen, people are making better times with an evo with less power. I have never driven and/or owned an sti but I heard the gearing on them sucks.
07-10-2007, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
Mag racing? They're numbers to compare the cars in question. I do believe he asked if HIS CL w/ HIS bolt-ons would at least hang with an MR. With HIS mods he's probably around 230-240 WHP at the very best, far from the 260+ WHP you're suggesting he needs to hang. I'm not saying there's no CLs out there that can hang or beat an MR, I'm just saying with HIS bolt-ons he won't stand a chance. Thank you.
Im pretty sure that by suggesting how much power he needs to hang with an MR and him not having it automaticaly answers his own question no need to point it out. I'm merely posting up the numbers to show him, if he has less, then thats on him.
07-10-2007, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Accord_V6_400m
Dude your posting a 14.9 for his car stock we all know that it can do better then that, plus who cares what they're ET's are when we know they won't race from a dig, those AWD cars in those tests had awesome 60' times to get those ETs with the traps that they had. Interestingly enough all the Evos in the mags had much higher traps, a little to high if you ask me especially when comapred to the STi (105>100)
Originally Posted by krisdlm
hope so, we'll try both (dig & roll). He got the 07 so it's going to be interesting. I've never raced one before, or an sti, so hopefully I can hold my own or at least keep up.
Yea, in Japan there's some annual racing event going on and i guess hes gonna be in it. He said theres skylines everywhere and there used as daily drivers. Wish we had that here!
Yea, in Japan there's some annual racing event going on and i guess hes gonna be in it. He said theres skylines everywhere and there used as daily drivers. Wish we had that here!
Originally Posted by Accord_V6_400m
Im pretty sure that by suggesting how much power he needs to hang with an MR and him not having it automaticaly answers his own question no need to point it out. I'm merely posting up the numbers to show him, if he has less, then thats on him.
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With driver error anyone can stand a chance. A car's capabilities don't mean jack shit without the right driver. That's the difference between fast cars and fast drivers...
Unless this kid knows how to brake boost, he's going to get turbo lag from a roll. The gearing from the 6 speed tranny results in slower times than the 5 speed.
Chance is no different than probability. And to say he has a ZERO chance in winning is the same as stating he has a ZERO probability in winning. And based on real life scenarios/events, that is an inaccurate statement.
And if the original question was whether he can hang with the Evo (not beat, just hang), then the answer is obvious he stands a chance in hanging with a stock evo...
Unless this kid knows how to brake boost, he's going to get turbo lag from a roll. The gearing from the 6 speed tranny results in slower times than the 5 speed.
Chance is no different than probability. And to say he has a ZERO chance in winning is the same as stating he has a ZERO probability in winning. And based on real life scenarios/events, that is an inaccurate statement.
And if the original question was whether he can hang with the Evo (not beat, just hang), then the answer is obvious he stands a chance in hanging with a stock evo...
Originally Posted by krisdlm
hope so, we'll try both (dig & roll). He got the 07 so it's going to be interesting. I've never raced one before, or an sti, so hopefully I can hold my own or at least keep up.
Yea, in Japan there's some annual racing event going on and i guess hes gonna be in it. He said theres skylines everywhere and there used as daily drivers. Wish we had that here!
Yea, in Japan there's some annual racing event going on and i guess hes gonna be in it. He said theres skylines everywhere and there used as daily drivers. Wish we had that here!
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Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
Mag racing? They're numbers to compare the cars in question. I do believe he asked if HIS CL w/ HIS bolt-ons would at least hang with an MR. With HIS mods he's probably around 230-240 WHP at the very best, far from the 260+ WHP you're suggesting he needs to hang. I'm not saying there's no CLs out there that can hang or beat an MR, I'm just saying with HIS bolt-ons he won't stand a chance. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by blk2001tlon19s
Went to one of the local evo shops today to pick up some parts but saw they were doing some dyno tuning so I figured I would stick around and a stock evo 9 with an aem intake and a base flash, gained 53wtq and 52.4whp. This is one of the lowest reading dynos in our area. Just an fyi, even though you said it was stock.
07-10-2007, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
Taken directly from his post...
Hmm, funny, that's what I was doing too.
Again, straight from the source...
I'm fully aware as much as anyone else is that with driver error any car can be beat, but from looking at what kind of history this guy has driving, I'm thinking he's not going to have much error. Sure from a roll there's more of a chance to "hang" with an Evo, but it all comes down to how you define "hang". Does that mean you can still see his taillights four, five, six car lengths ahead thus you "hung" with it? I just think to really hang you'd need pretty much every bolt on available for the CL.
Hmm, funny, that's what I was doing too.
Again, straight from the source...
I'm fully aware as much as anyone else is that with driver error any car can be beat, but from looking at what kind of history this guy has driving, I'm thinking he's not going to have much error. Sure from a roll there's more of a chance to "hang" with an Evo, but it all comes down to how you define "hang". Does that mean you can still see his taillights four, five, six car lengths ahead thus you "hung" with it? I just think to really hang you'd need pretty much every bolt on available for the CL.
Yeah your numbers don't help as much since your posting a rediculously high ET for a stock CLS 6spd. As for other mag times regarding the Evo and such if the guy is a good driver as mentioned he might be able to match/beat those times.
Originally Posted by krisdlm
those numbers are damn right impressive off just an intake. Just goes to show evos are beasts
thats the main reason for those gains.
07-10-2007, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Accord_V6_400m
I guess they will go from a dig as well, better start digging
Yeah your numbers don't help as much since your posting a rediculously high ET for a stock CLS 6spd. As for other mag times regarding the Evo and such if the guy is a good driver as mentioned he might be able to match/beat those times.
Don't forget the reflash of the ECU thats the main reason for those gains.
Yeah your numbers don't help as much since your posting a rediculously high ET for a stock CLS 6spd. As for other mag times regarding the Evo and such if the guy is a good driver as mentioned he might be able to match/beat those times.
Don't forget the reflash of the ECU
thats the main reason for those gains.
07-11-2007, 03:15 AM
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regarding the ecu, too bad the 6spd's cant be modded with gains like that
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Originally Posted by AznX TL
did you race him yet?!
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Originally Posted by Accord_V6_400m
The only way your going to see gains remotely similar is if you tune with the bypass valve not working and all of a sudden your midrange torque jumps 35lb-ft! That goes back to my earlier experiences. When my car is ready to be tuned again i'll try to turn the tun off and see what the difference is. So far its been around 15-20hp for me. I went from 240whp to 278bhp.
07-13-2007, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by krisdlm
woah, and that's just by doing a tune w/out the bypass valve not working?!
07-15-2007, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Accord_V6_400m
Its hard to say since I was having problems with the BV. Its probably around 15whp at peak. Like I said I will turn the tune off and see the before and after for comparison sake.
07-15-2007, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by krisdlm
let me know the results