on my way to my friends house; windows open, music on, hearing the exhaust grumble and taking it easy. I was on Utopia all of the sudden the silence was broken by a blow out valve of a EVO tailing me and trying to pass me. I wasn't expecting to win...but I say no no! was rolling at 30 in 3rd gear, down shifted to 2nd (he was bumper ahead of me) and i pulled on him up to 7 grand, shifted to third kept pulling on him...i was doing around 95..both cars were screaming in 3rd....then i said i better calm down, so i let off and he flew in front of me almost running over the grass when merging onto the service road of the GCP!
I don't know why it happened but it happened! maybe he doesn't know how to drive his car, maybe he had 8 people in his car i dunno. All i know is that i was half car length ahead of him and it felt great!

 

Not a big surprise, evos are overrated, my auto cl-s was dead even with my buddies evo8 all the way up to his 5th gear when we shut off. And that guy is loosing decent power if his BOV is recirculated to the atmosphere which is what it sounds like if his blow off was that loud.

Don't get me wrong though, they are monsters if you put the cash into them.

 

if it was the 8 most likely you'll beat him with your mods at roll, but on the 9 MR specially modded, different story... i run with one again at the track and here's the result...

https://acurazine.com/forums/ramblings-12/congratulations-accord-192187/



they're AWD, trap higher than the 8 and mod friendly. the guy only got i/h/reflashed

 

Being an evo owner, I'm pretty sure it was almost stock. The stock turbos on evos are small and the evos have no top end so in reality you have the advantage and they didn't. Off the line you would have gotten murdered and if you guys raced top end(and the evo had cams) you would have had no chance but I will say nice kill in this situation as its still a myth to the mods on the evo itself. If the guy had a VTA bov, then he's also running rich in between shifts and would also hurt him. Not taking anything away from you but good win but not sure how you got it.

 

overrated? They are one of the most universal cars to buy. They can be used for multiple things. With the correct driver, investing about 2300 can get you a constant 11.9 car easily.

 

i love everything about the Evos, but the interior, and safetyness... well i guess i can do some upgrade on that ... anyway, if i'm to trade my car or get another one, i'll buy an Evo 9 MR over any cars, even over the mighty GT-R.

 

Siggy...

that 6 speed tranny sucks if you want power from what I understand. There are plentyof people with the evo 8 and 9 MR that has swapped to the 5 speed transmission. I believe the 8s have a longer 4th gear too which is great.

Just to give an idea of what an evo can do, spending about 2300 on a 8 would trap about 113 in the 1/4 mile and have about a 12.01 -12.3 1/4 mile time depending on driver skill. Within that 2300 is cams/turboback exhaust/manual boost controller/fuel pump/head studs and lower intercooler pipe ...that 2300 can even be less depending depending on what companies parts are going to be used, cheaper vs more expensive.

I didn't get the evo for safety but for performance as its not a daily driver. Just a weekend fun car, can't wait to I do my built 2.3 w/ 35r

I will say the 9s are a whole new animal vs the 8s because of the bigger turbo and mivec which is similar to vtec except it doesn't do anything with the exhaust cam, just intake cam. However a cam'ed evo 8 with the 9 turbo is about equal to a evo 9 with the same mods.

Sorry for going off topic guys...

 

ok its very simple: Evo's and STI's are ONLY and ALL accleration, off the line they win hands down. CL's are [basically] ALL and ONLY top end with our fierce VTEC. IM not surprised you whipped him at all!!!! it makes sense. looking at HP numbers is very important BUT NOT THE ONLY FACTOR, and so many people forget that...plus Evo's and STi's are OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!

 

that's what i heard... so it's like S2000's AP1 and AP2 some didn't like the AP2 because they loss steam up top even with higher displacement.

i have respect with Evos and like i said, i want one so any info i can get will be a any good Evo site you know?

lol ouch.

 

hahahahahahaha you guys have GOT to be kidding.
overrated? I almost burst into laughs when i read that. only and all acceleration? haha
look to the original poster, what happened is totally plausible-with your mods and from 30 I can see it being close depending on it driving ability.

but that does NOT mean we can start calling evos overrated. stock 8s run 60 in 5.1 and the 1/4 in 13.5. We have to dump at least 6 grand into our cars just to touch those numbers. and if you want to handle even close to what they do, make that number 10 grand.

do you have any idea how fast evos get when you put that kind of money into them??? my best friend bought an 8 and took it from bone stock to putting 650 at the rear wheels with a GT35r. you simply should not compare these two cars.

 

right! cant compare them: one has insane acceleration, the evo...what makes the 1/4 so damn fast? they shoot off the line...since they get up to speed faster, they basically START where other cars only get to half track...insane acceleration if you ask me...

my point is that a CL which is FWD, weighs more, and has LESS power suddenly EVENS OUT THE PLAYING FIELD [!only in a race starting at high rpms!] b/c of the fact that it is a top end setup...

b/c if everything was true about the Evo, it should NEVER be anywhere close to even with a 7 year old, heavy SOB with less power and FWD!

you're exactly right in the end!! add little things and you have a world class supercar for the Evo. my point is to bring up the fact that if you start a race at a m.p.h. that eliminates the HUGE acceleration advantage, then things change...concluding that you CANNOT just look at wheel configuration and HP #'s WHICH IS ACTUALLY 90% of what counts = you making a point i already know...im focusing on the last 10% no one really looks at---->

a car with less power that is top end will win or tie a car with more power if you simply set up a race where top end is advantageous...yes and 1/4 mile, acceleration is what counts off the line, so Evo's indeed reign IN THE END...

maybe i just have a dumb defense for the CL, but what else would you expect on azine? lol!!

 

plus the guy in this thread was modded, so my point is im not even close to being surprised he beat the evo ONLY IN THE RACE HE ENCOUNTERED, starting at 30m.p.h. where the evo's acceleration could't gain an obvious advantage...

line the same cars up from rest...evo would win hands down...so we're both right, but proving different things...and honestly mine doesnt matter in the end, BUT FOR THESE RARE RACES, suddenly it does!!!!: watch out [40m.p.h. cruising] evo owners!

 

 

lol, c;mon people...we have no low end torque, but since it takes like 3 seconds or w/e to hit VTEC and all, i guess its okay!

 

lol...yeah youngsta ...they are very overrated just like vtec. Get real man. Hondas come out the box to the limit thats why there isn't much to do as far as tuning even once you add a mod. This must be your first modded car or something. From owning my turbo tl to messing around with the evo, there is a big difference. Stock the evo was slow to me, however now with mods its a big difference. You in Chicago? You should know and get killed by them all the time, AMS is in Chicago somewhere.

By the way..you can say they are only and all acceleration...


1) You can complain to Honda for making a fwd heavy as coupe
2) You can complain to Honda for not making the CL awd
3) You can complain to Honda for not having any torque


I believe also races start at 0 , highway pulls shows nothing but taking off from the line shows you got control of your car, can launch etc...

You seem like a smart guy. Change the suspension setup on your car and take it too the road course and let me know if the stock evos and stis eat you alive. I don't believe the evos or stis were originally made for drag cars which is the racing we are talking about.

I'm not downing hondas as I still have my accord and TL but dude...

get real.


Honestly, I wish I put those thousands of dollars spent on my TL and put in my evo...I would have a nice 750+whp toy with rims and all...

cheers.

 

I can't remember the weight of a CL, maybe someone here knows but the weight of an evo(non rs) is about 3400 lbs which isn't too light for a 4cyl if you ask me. I believe the RS evo is like 300lbs lighter.

Anyway, this guys thread has turned into an evo vs cl thread which it shouldn't be and wasn't my intention.

Anyway, as stated in my original post. Good kill.

 

If you've been to the track before, especially with an A/T CLs, you realize how slow they are. I don't know much about racing classifications and such, but I know at the 1/4 here one classification is under 14.00 and over 14.00. With that being said, I would consider our car pretty fast for a slow car.

Usually (even with MT) AWD has higher % drivetrain loss - so assuming he was stock at 286HP/TQ and say 21% loss, that could be only 230WHP/WTQ. With CLs mods that wouldn't be out of the question, especially if it was an VIII. OR instead of screaming, could the EVO has just been loud as a MF even at low RPM's and not been able to downshift because of control issues due to mods?

Feels good though however it happened. There is a guy with an EVO MR that lives on my block, I always know anytime he leaves his house b/c it's so loud...

 

AMS and DevoTuning. I wouldn't say they're overrated, I pulled easily on what I'm pretty sure was a stock Evo from 60 to 100mph but I've got headers, pulley & intake. The Evo's upgrade potential is greater than ours especially w/ AWD from a dig...

 

Your friend has got a problem then. Tell him to look in the front and see if he still has his front axles since he's getting RWD results, lol.

It does not take 6 grand to get a 13.5 out of the CL.

$10,000 in suspension mods to handle like an Evo. Well, I don't like to compare the two, but tell me where you got that figure? Last I heard the Evo doesn't drive itself. I'd put my money on the driver every time, not the car.

My personal opinion is, Evo > CL hands down by far.

 

I didn't mean to for this to turn into a CL vs EVO thread, but here is my input on it. There are so many EVOs on the road, especially in NYC. Our cars are rare, once in a blue will you see a 03 6spd CL. Many dont even know CL comes in 6SPD. so my point is.... All these Asian boys whatever boys drive them. They think they own the road, they think they are the shit and no one can touch them(not all evo owners but most). Don't get me wrong, i think they are very nice vehicles. But a major of their drivers are not too nice. So being members of a AZINE forums, wouldn't you be happy that your CL beat a EVO? It doesnt matter from 0 or from 30. A race is a race, doesn't Nascar start from a roll? but thats not the point. The EVO was beaten by a CL
nothing more to evaluate on it. CLs will pull on a EVO from a roll. (=
and CL-S will always be 10times more rare then an EVO.
please guys, no offense to anyone.

 

it's actually a "CL vs EVO thread"

they are 2 different cars. one is built to perform street/track and one is built for comfort/style. I will be more interested to see how an STI, Audi, or any kind of AWD car on it's class do against the Evo's.

no doubt, Evo's can easily take off from the line and beat any FWD and RWD most of the time, but in my experience with the 8's stock or slightly modded, i beat them from a roll. But on the 9's MR, so far they handed my ass a couple of times (the one on the pic) and a run with mildly modded (330whp/wtq) 9's MR before from 30-40mph roll, i can say his car is quick from the line and fast at a roll... i'm yet to get back at him from a frwy speed tho...

Although, there's some aftermarket support with the CL's now, it's still not enough to pass the Evo's performance, specially compare the same amount of money you put on both cars to get it up to par

to the OP's kill is still plausible considering car, driver, weather, road conditions, etc...

 

Good Run !!!! Evo's with a few mods can be crazy fast !!!!

 

Semi on topic...My buddy who is into eclipse's seems to think the math is close enough to be able to transplant an Evo engine into a 2G GSX. Obviously the Evo has seperate front and rear differentials compared to a single for the GSX, I believe the AWD system is different as well. Interesting concept though.