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So I was leaving a freinds house at about 2300 hrs on Sat and was on the frontage road waiting at a light to get on to the highway. While I was waiting, a mid 90's Z28 convertible pulls up next to me. He looks over with that sly remark of "i'm going to kill you in a race". So I say what the heck, there was absolutley nobody on the road, and take off VSA and throw it into SS. The light turns green and I get the best launch I have ever had. I am thinking that it will be close if anything, and am just waiting for him to fly right by. But, he never does. I just pulled on him until he was about a car behind me at 80. What's up with that? Was he racing? I know he put some gas into it cause you could here the V8, but was he just foolin with me? The only mods I have are comptech headers, an AEM CAI, and my fat a$$. So what's the deal?

Dem1K

iTrader: (1)

well according to your mods..you should be able to take a mid 90's Z28....its not an SS you're racing

btw, good kill

typeR

mid 90's as in LT1 or older IROC body style?...the LT can be had with your mods...though he should have caught you up top had you continued to run past 100

Chaptorial

Nice kill.

NSX-Tuner

Very Nice Job. I once raced a 2002 Camaro Z28 SS 4AT when my 6MT was fully stock. He got a one car length jump on me but didn't pull any further up to 90.

G

It must have been an LT1 then. Fortunatley, he quit right as I hit 80, so he never got the chance to catch up. It was funny, my friend loved it when the guy quickly slowed down and got behind me. I guess everyone just likes to look at the rear of the CL-S!

Black CL-S 4-Life

Nice kill. Had it been an LS1 you would have been walked hard.

flint

iTrader: (2)

Nice. I want to race an LS1 real bad. Good Kill!

robeaneee

don't z28's and ss's run 13's? i heard ss's can even run 12's..and what's the difference between LS1 and the other engine? sorry i don't know jack about american engines

fiveoh-tl

Early-mid 90's LT1's were 305 V8's putting out 230hp, or an optional 350 putting out 240hp. Stock TLS' shouldn't really have too much trouble w/ them (if they're stock).

Brady6226

I raced a 97 LT1 Camaro with 6-speed from a 40 roll. i have a A/T 01' CLS and im stock. he pulled like an fender on me till i got in v-tech and then i pulled back and kept pulling slowly till 110 when we shut down. had 1/2 car on him at 110. LT1's are quick off the line, LS1's are fast top end.

KXM

NTXCLS: you are correct, the Camaro was just messing with you.
'91 & '92 Z28 Camaros had either a 305 or a 350ci motor. 350 (L98)
motored cars had 5.7L on the rear bumper. Either one ran in the high 14's to low 15's stock at around 99 to 100mph. 350's ONLY came with the 4spd auto, no sticks. My '91 350 ran a best of 14.8 prior to mods. After heavy mods it runs in the mid 12's. An LS1 motor was a 350 with various hp ratings to 290 or so in 'vettes. These were all in the 14's at over 100 unless a jerk was behind the wheel. So, was he messing with you. BTW, L98 Camaros had one of the best 0-30 times of any American car ever. They will take a Viper out of the hole and most anything else!

NJTypeS

don't know about 14's for an LS1. The slowest I have ever seen was 13.7 for an auto bone stock and it was my buddies before he modded it. They are typically low to mid 13 second cars regardless of whether they are auto or manual

roo97ss

F bods.
Iroc style 92 earlier came with
TBI 305 (slow)
TPI 305, respectable with 5 spd, hi 14s mid 90s
TPI 350 (240 hp) auto only mid 14s upper-mid 90s
93-7 LT1 350 (275-285 hp)
auto or stick 13.7-14.2 @ 98-102
98-00 LS1 5.7L (346 ci) (305 hp)
auto or stick 13.3-13.8 @ 104-106
01-02 LS1 5.7L (346 ci - different intake manifold stock 310 hp)
auto or stick 13.0-13.4 @ 106-109

Joe

TheyCallMeSteel

Are you joking? you are trying to say that a stock 350ci ran high 14's at nearly 100, NUTS! Not even close, try some real information. L98's have the best hole shots? Where do you get this information from. You can take a stock Viper to a 1.7 60 ft., can't do that with a stock L98, god cant even do that in one.

darrinb

wow, def a nice kill

cl-s w/ headers shouldnt be takin lightly

implicit

Nice Kill!

And thanks everyone for the Chevy info....


I played with a mid 90s Z28 a while back and it was pretty much dead even so it sounds pretty reasonable to me.

numbaonestunna

where are you guys finding all these panzy camaro's? I ran one yesterday for a little bit... (0-70mph maybe) and it lit me up... big time. Probably 2-3 car lengths.... and I'm pushing 412rhwp/408ft-lb!!! A TL-s with headers, is what, a 240fwhp??? If that???

Seriously, not calling BS, but you all must be lucky to find such weak ass camaro's who want to run you all the time... the one's I see are always modded.

G

um, wow. you can't beat a camaro with over 400 WHEEL horsies??? :sqnteek:

Edit: and it is CL, not TL

scalbert

No, a TL-S with headers will have about 225 WHP.

The most likely reason why some serious F-Bodies don't run with a CL or TL is because it is a waste of their time. Whereas a Mustang is the direct F-Body competion.

roo97ss

such is true, many of these guys aren't looking to race. However there are a lot of these cars which are getting old.

My brother had (just sold) a 97 formula (LT1 v8, cold air) with an auto and 23k miles on it. Nice well kept car. His friend just bought a 94 trans am (LT1 v8, cold air, catback) also with an auto with 99k miles on it. The car has more rattles and shakes than you could imagine. Clearly not a well taken care of car, but then again it was about 4500 (needs paint, tires, etc).

From a stop to 100 (1/4 mile for these cars), the well tuned, non beaten LT1 puts 2.5-3.5 lengths on the burning out LT1, depending on how his trans wanted to shift that time. That would probably equilibrate to dead heat or even a beating with my cls (headers/intake).

Many z28s and mustangs are bought by kids. Tint the windows, subs in the trunk, flowmaster (LOUD) exhaust and they're out trolling for a race with just about everything, including acuras, etc.

In tune, running right an LT1 is too much for an auto, even with headers and intake, and close but more often than not too much for a 6 spd as well. The LS1, running right will definitely walk up top, light to light is your hope unless you're highly modded.

Joe

NSX-Tuner

Not a problem here!!! Been there, done that... walked on both a Z-28 and an fbird; both were autos... the only real challenger I've run up against so far is a heavily modded 98 stang MT... he pull about 2 cars but no more... I stayed with him up to 90 where we shut down... Oh, the other one was a modded BMW 540i/6 Dinan... I had him by 2 car after 85...

Sorry... I just couldn't resist...

351MachOne

Agreed, and the c5 vette is rated at 350hp, I thought...

351MachOne

No doubt, i was able to hang stop to stop with some older LT's in my rx7... it was an 89..

DarkSithCL

iTrader: (1)

Nice kill on the Z...

LXative

I am sorry, but the LT1 is 350ci. Stock on stock the LT1 should beat the stock CL-S or TL-S by a few car lengths in the 1/4. The LT1's run low 14's to high 13's, depending on the tranny. Being this guy raced a vert, that adds about 400 pounds to the equation. Also assuming the Z28 was bone stock, and an automatic, I wouldnt see it being far fetched at all for the CL to give the Z a run as described.

Um..........no.

If you want to get technical the LS1 is actually 346 cubic inches, but the average ET is in the low 13's at around 105mph. Several high 12's at over 107mph have been had in bone stock form with the LS1.

Anyways, I am sure you surprised the Z28. Whether he was WOT or not, noone will know for sure. Either way it sounds like he was attempting to race you, and all that matters is that you were in front.

KXM

As someone mentioned in this thread, "maybe the Camaro did not want to race you". I almost never
accept a challenge on the streets from anything that I think cannot give me a decent run. I do not evevn look at rice burners because around here they are notorious for causing accidents and drawing the attention of cops from blocks away!. That is not snobish but a matter of calculating the risk and if it worth loosing my license and a real nasty fine.
My '91 Z28 looks just like an outstanding well cared for 5.7 Camaro. The 17" wheels and 285 tires do give away a hint of power. What you need to beat this beast is not just 400hp, but the ability
to get the jump on me & deliver your power to the ground. This car runs in the 12's and had a best of 110mph. It is naturally aspirated. This is factual as it has been on the strip at least 40 or 50 times!
It will take my ZR out of the hole but due to inability to breathe at higher rpms, gives back it's gains at the 1/8 mile. Obviously this Camaro is far from stock, but yes, a Camaro like this can and will hand you your ass, even if you supposedly have 400+hp!

NSX-Tuner

scalbert

Although I didn't get to run one I was hoping to and then it turned into an annoyance.

On my way back from a trip over to Decatur, AL yesterday I was on a two lane road stuck behind a Z28 convertible with two semi's in front. The semi's were pretty far spaced apart with us (me and the Z28) behind the second semi. The Z28 keeps slowing down and later getting on it. I wasn't sure what they were doing other than maybe just engrossed in a conversation and not paying attention. I then thought that maybe they were egging me on considering I came up upon the group quickly.

A truck lane was coming up so I expect them to get on it to pass these trucks. Nope, the trucks get right and the Z28 stays in the left lane and is NOT passing. So I flash my lights and they then proceed to pass the first truck slowly. Now I am not the only car behind, there are about ten cars/trucks lined up now. As they got past the first they continue in the left lane.

So I go right and get on it. I was in 3rd at about 4k revs and went by them without a problem. Had they even began to try something it would have been pointless. This was obviously an LT1 based Z28 probably nearing ten years old with the dual but very flat rectangular exhaust pipes. They would have lost regardless of trying; 8 PSI intercooled boost does.

Roadmaster

I happen to own a 1995 Camaro Z28 Covertible - Automatic w/37k miles on the clock. I've got basic bolt-on modifications that consist of a cold air induction system, hooker 1&5/8 inch headers w/ y-pipe, a borla exhaust system, a reflashed computer and a lighter GM 1LE driveshaft.

Two months ago I produced 273.5hp@5,200 rpm on the dyno and 308.6lb/ft of torque@3,100rpm at the wheels.

Given the a 20 percent driveline lose for my automatic the car is producing between 330-335 horsepower the crank and about 370-375 lb/ft of torque at the crank.

With 3.23 gears I have run reletively consistant 13.6's 13.7's@103mph at Indianapolis Raceway Park in Indianapolis Indiana.

I too get a kick out of how many people get the Z28's, T/A's and Vette information all wrong. You can run into very slow cars and very fast cars. Some have been beaten on, others have been maintained.

I for one am happy if someone is able to outrun certain cars, I just like to get the information and facts as correct as possible.

Roadmaster

Oh sorry, forgot one thing. The difference between Z28's and SS's or Formula/Trans Ams vs, WS6's is very minimal... Cold air inductions and an optional exhaust with larger tires and a stiffer suspension. I have had people ridicule my car for being "Only" a Z28 and not an SS... They are the same cars, just think of the SS as a bolt on Z28.

Dustin

KXM

Nice Z28 there Roadmaster. What is the dude driving that claims they could have not taken him because his 8lbs of intercooled boost would have prevented that?!

mattg

a 2003 cl-s 6 speed. 370 whp, 310 wtq. on pump gas.

KXM

Have you had it on the strip as yet? What compression are you running, stock?
I am not up on none American motors, but if you are running an American V8, etc
normally you need in the area of 400+hp and around 375+ ft lbs to get into the 12's ppushing a car that weighs around 3400 to 3500 lbs. That is with really good traction and a 60' time around
2.00 or less. Your front driver is going to give you fits with traction if you still want to drive it on the streets. All of my mid 12 second runs have come with drag slicks, big ones! They fit without much of a problem on raer drivers though. Can't see them on an Acura, but there must be something.
Also, can that 6sd take the punishment of speed shifting and a miss now and again?

mattg

the 6 speed i was talking about belongs to scalbert (see a few posts up). properly driven his car will easily run in the 12's, although it may require drag radials for him to hook up in 1st and 2nd.

the reason i say this is because my automatic cl-s runs 13.2's @ 105 w/ 300whp and 250 wtq. 2.14 60' on a 90 degree day w/ 18" street tires.

both of our dyno's are in the dyno chart gallery. http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=138

z28_2000

I am surprised you were able to get the jump on a mid 90s Z. Although you all are right...having been a former 2000 Z28 LS1, that would have walked all over even a heavily moded CL-S

Joe5.0

Well, if the driver of even the LS1 didnt know what he was doing as far as downshifting, even a stock CL-S6 could pull away. I've raced numerous obviously uneducated 4th gen F-body owners in my Mustang, and even with 7-10mph less than a stock LS1 if I downshift correctly and he doesnt, he wont win. They have alot of torque, but the gearing generally sucks and they arent that light. People like to make it sound like they are all well driven and everyone pilots them to low 13's bone stock (LS1's that is).

Usually to race one that is well driven by a more than competant driver you have to go to your local test & tune night at the drag strip.

mattg

scalberts heavily modded cl-s would pull on any stock camaro from a roll.

it would be ugly. :o

scalbert

Not yet, but it will see track duty soon. It is running the stock 10.5:1 which is why I am limiting it to about 8 PSI intercooled.

The 6-Speed is so far proven to be stout. Honda is known to be able to build a very strong while still smooth manual transmission.

scalbert

That is a big assumption. So a car with equal or less weight, better gearing and more power would automatically lose to an LS1??