farberstyle

from 70, twice. Headed down the freeway and fucker is riding my ass bad. Pull over in the right lane, he pulls next to me and its on. All the way throgh third we were even, then i hit fourth and he starting pulling on me both times. Still had paper plates, so i assume he had no mods. Would have liked to run him from a stop, but oh well. Sucks to get beaten by our honda cousins.

robeaneee

hmm..i wouldve thought it wouldve been pretty even considering your mods...maybe our fellow 6 speeders might be able to hang with their 6 spds

power3dfx

though ive never run one, i would think you should of taken him.
you definately have the power advantage as long as he is stock. i understand why you lost in 4th though!
good runs nonetheless, the new accords have a pretty solid engine!

farberstyle

i agree. does anyone know if they both have the same gear ratios?

kevin79925

ive ran 3 and beat em all! some of them were close tho...

Chaptorial

Nice death.

I too would have liked to know the outcome if you went from a light.

Black CL-S 4-Life

Nice race. I want to race one.

ferizzo

CLS6 can hang. remember us autos modded (headers/intake or icebox/exhaust) are only as fast as stock 6-speeders in most cases. The accord is slightly lighter than the CLS/TLS. I think the CLS6 is slighty faster than an AV6-6 but not by a whole lot.

av6ent

Since yours is auto even with i/h/p Accord 6MT has weight advantage (only 3285#) and gear ratios:

AV6-6MT
1st - 3.933:1
2nd - 2.487:1
3rd - 1.700:1
4th - 1.250:1
5th - .976:1
6th - .771:1

So, CLS-6MT will be a better match despite the weight disadvantage but .2 L advantage and longer gear I think.

NSX-Tuner

I would think that the CLS-6MT would have the advantage on the top end, but a little behind off the line. At the end, the CLS-6MT should come out on top, assuming the drivers are equal in their driving abilities. Not to mention, doing it in more comfort

F23A4

Given how well optioned the 7G EX V6 is, that's very subjective.

NSX-Tuner

Yeh, 4th in a CLS 5AT doesn't pull hardly. In former 01 CLS, the only gears that pulled well were 1st, 2nd and 3rd where 4th and 5th felt like I was towing a boat.

Chaptorial

CLS seats > 7th gen Accord seats

Scrib

Ain't that the truth.

The seats in the Accord feel like boards. CLS seats are so body conforming and comfortable.

Doom878

Dang fellow dumbass Accord. Pisses me off that he rides your ass then races his probably not broken in car. Makes me ashamed.

I think once you went into 4th you were a goner since most CL-S auto guys have told me that 4th and 5th are overdrive gears. More for economy unfortunately.

ga2000

there was a 6spd accord at etown yesturday, i dont know what he had done to it, but i saw one of his runs and he got a 14.51.. they run pretty dam good. he might have been stock..

Doom878

We've seen some run 14.4's stock. I think there's one that hit 14.2 with a CAI.

kevin79925

<---- 14.3 is my best run with a cai so far. thats with better tires tho... and before my 18s and body kit

bryanz3.0cl

i really hate the interior of the 7g accord...it took me 10 minutes to parallel park my brothers g/f's car yesterday because of the blind spots. i couldnt see how far i was from the curb or how much room i had and when i got out these 2 old fat asses were laughing at me because i was still like 3 ft. from the sidewalk. and the brakes on that thing are wayyy too sensitive, everytime i tapped the things the car would lurch foward or backwards if i was in reverse making me look like ive never driven a car. ill never drive one again :o

Doom878

The 6th gens suck in parking too. You have to just know the car.

ga2000

i know that the 6speed cls will beat an auto cls from a roll but i never seen a stock cls 6 speed run better than a 14.4 .....am i wrong.......but if so there rally not any faster than a auto cls with just intake .i ran a 14.4 .i know after the 1/4 it will pull hard and wipe the floor with me ..

stejus

I have a bone stock CL-S 6sp. Are you saying a stock 04 Accord Coupe 6sp can keep up with a stock 03 CL-S 6sp?

I know the Accord is slightly lighter, but the CL-S 6sp has more HP and torque so why wouldn't we be able to beat them from a stand still or a roll?

Black CL-S 4-Life

scalbert

Both the Accord 6-Speed and the CL-S6 have the same exact gearing. Actually it is the same transmission less the HLSD.

The 150 lb weight difference is less noticeable as the speeds climb. This is one reason why theoretically the CL-S should trap slightly higher. Add in headers which are irrelevant to the AV6 and there is a marked difference.

scalbert

Never compare a single time run at a single track on a single day. That is pointless...

On average a stock CL-S6 will, if launched properly, run better times than the 5AT counterpart. It is inevitable as there is a weight difference, more power being put to the ground and better gearing. However, with this better gearing also comes more difficult launches. So the possibility of botching a launch increases.

murphman331

A lot of the Accord 6 speeders are running mid 14's stock. There aren't that many mods available so I doubt that guy had any. He could've been running premium gas. V6 engineer Asaki said the J30A4 will gain an extra 10 hp/tq with premium gas. Here's a link for the doubters. It's located about half way down the page. http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...1-accord_x.htm

Nice kill for the Accord

He was an azz for tailgating you.

Dem1K

iTrader: (1)

how much quicker exactly is the CLS6 than a CLS auto? Both in 0-60 & 1/4 mile times, and also how many car lengths? I am REALLY curious about this just so I know how much quicker the 6speed is than me

blackmagiCL_S

Nice death. Good to know. Considering that there is no more CL-S (or CL for that matter) it is nice to know that the next gen coupe (Accord coupe) is up to the task. I assme that on the Accord site there are G35 and 350Z kills? Would make sense.

I'd like to tango with one even though I might lose even with I/H. Amazing how the Accord name raises bad feelings. What am I saying...not surprising. to them. We all think of the OLD Accord...it has graduated. I see very few 6-sp Accords out there and sometimes I wonder if the others just buy the wheels. I have only ever played with a last gen coupe with mods (but red windsheild wipers so that tells you something...it at least had exhaust) and it was a sweet win and a mad Accord afterward. That was before my intake too.

blackmagiCL_S

I believe if you magazine race, it is about 0.5 seconds faster. 1/4 mile..not sure. Hondas are good at high RPM and once the auto is there it is okay...I bet it is only about 1/2 sec faster at 1/4 mile too (which is huge!). Off the line...bah....

Actually mine feels slow lately...I must need an upgrade.

scalbert

I would say that on average that the 6-Speed should be about 2 - 3 tenth quicker and 1 MPH faster in the 1320'. With a perfect launch on both the margin may be greater. But on average I expect less decent launches from the 6-Speed than the much easier 5AT.

jruss9819

You'd think that the 20hp diff between the Accord and the CL-S would have more of an impact on the times Plus, we have the limited slip, that should help with the launch right???

scalbert

That 20 HP difference is just about negated by the 150 lb weight difference. The HLSD should help on the launches but without short times from the same driver it is hard to say how much.

Aquineas

Quite sure I don't agree with you there. The Accord EX-V6 looks better than the CL on the inside. The CL has much better seats though.

pimpscls

damn man, but those 6spd accords are pretty quick

Black CL-S 4-Life

I disagree.

robeaneee

only thing i like more about the accord's interior would have to be the center console..it's a lot higher and easily accessible compared to the cl-s..but thats the only thing...their shifter is ugly..their seats arent as nice as ours..etc etc

Chaptorial

I got to disagree. Even w/ the navi being larger in the new Accord, that center console is placed dead on. In my car with the Navi its tilted slighty towards the driver. Think it looks better IMO.

Accord's still looks good though.

av6ent

NOPE. VQ owns!
ASSuming drivers skills are good G35 6MT both sedan and coupe will beat AV6 6MT.

Heck, my body's G35 auto sedan stock which is underrated and showed ~ 268hp/268tq (manual sedans show higher numbers) beat AV6 6MT (stock) by 1.5 car several times. 350z 6MT geared even more towards performance so Accord is no match in stock form.

Now, he also owns a s/c 02 Accord V6 and with upcoming internals and other goodies he will smoke any G35s and 350z even with basic mods

av6ent

Here is the article quote from people of vtec.net who did dyno in the same place Steve, you do your s/c CLS-6

... the J30A4 is a beast. It belted out 217 hp and 195 lbs-ft of torque at the wheels. And this engine is only rated at 240 hp/212 lbs-ft at the flywheel! Of course, we did use premium gas to extract the most possible power and the J30A4 rewarded us with a surplus. By comparison, last year's CL-S 6-spd pumped out 218 hp and 201 lbs-ft (also on a Dynojet) from its J32A2 engine. We felt that the J32A2 was pretty accurately rated at 260 hp/232 lbs-ft at the flywheel. If this is the case, that would make the Accord a 260 hp/225-230 lbs-ft engine. Not bad for 3 liters, SOHC and the "economy" form of VTEC[/b]

Doom878

Who's your buddy with the s/c Accord and does he post at www.v6p.net?

I can't believe TOV said that the new Accord has VTEC-E cams. It doesn't. It might have not iVTEC nor DOHC VTEC so it might not be as an aggressive cam setup, but it's not the lame VTEC-E that my car once had.