Nicky Pass

The Daily Herald for today has a huge article on the 2003 Acura CL. Its a color full page article. The artcle says the average income of an owner family is $95K It also says the almost 50% of current owners a college grads. They really didn't have anything bad to say about it......the compared it to the 3-series and the C-230.
It might be on thier web site www.dailyherald.com

jimcol711

95k??? haha, i wish!

jimcol711

all iknow is if i was makin 95k i sure as FUCK wouldnt be driving a CL-S!!! hahahaha in that salary range, id be looking at a car in the 60-75k range, not 28-32k

Audi2003LeMans

If I made $95,000 a year.. The first thing I would buy is an Audi S4. I can't believe thats the average income. Anyhow, the article didn't have much BAD to say.. but they did bring up some points. Its almost like they feel like they have to justify certain areas compared to the 3-series BMW. I mean the 3-series reigns as the all-around champion in its class right now.. and has been for quite some time. It's VERY funny how they didn't say one word about the CL-S's handling. Nor did they talk about ANY skid-pad results. In fact, they also forgot to mention the WEIGHT...at 3,510 pounds the CL-S is a TANK. No wonder it has 260 HP compared to the 184 HP BMW engine. Acura needs all that power just to compete..Bimmer is chillin with 184 HP.. thats SOO WAITING some MODS to TEAR IT UP.. your forgetting too... you can't really modify the CL-S..ya you can pay $5000 for the CompTech supercharger.. but I hear it doesn't perform right on regular driving conditions.. There has been much fuss about the supercharger. Now the BMW.. lets get a TURBO in there.. then we'll see whats up.. Just a thought

dbox

haha i make what my cls cost new per year! haha but what the fuck, you only live once and i like cars...........

AtlCl

How many turboed beemers are out there? You think they are more reliable than a supercharged CL? For $500 you can get an intake and obx headers and add 25 wheel hp to the CLs.

Audi2003LeMans

From listening to you...

I only want an Acura LESS. I can see your frustration and rage that you must have acquired from buying this car. It feels to me.. that you have to JUSTIFY to everyone why you bought a CL. Well step over to the BMW forum.. yes, there are lots of TURBO mods. You just don't hear about them on this forum. I hate to break your bubble.. but everything doesn't work on cars.. the way it does for the Acura CL. And you were all hyped to get the sport suspension.. But you forget one thing... BMWs stock is STILL BETTER SUSPENSION!!!!!!!!! by far

blackmagiCL_S

Dude....if you don't like Acura CLs, why are you posting here?

chikai

it's alright man...freedom of speech does exist in this country...no need to get angry...

Audi2003LeMans to your response...I can't think of one car out there right now ($30k range) that I would want to own...

- A4s....too slow
- BMW...get nothing for low $30k
- G35...interiors too ugly
- IS300...too small (and immature owners)
- CL-S...too bulky

and the list goes on and on and on...

When I was looking at cars to buy 12months ago, I basically had to pick the lesser of the evils. I test drove the A4 1.8t/3.0, IS300, BMW 325, and CL-S.

Out of all of them I felt most comfortable in the CL-S. I personally was looking for power (w/o heavy modding), class, and value. I knew handling can be tweaked to my liking (hence mods listed in sig), and in the end the CL-S was the best deal (w/ xenon, HIDs, etc incl). It still wasn't an easy selection for me.

what I'm trying to say is...the CL-S fitted my preferences. Other people CAN have different preferences. If you prefer a bimmer over a CL-S...feel free...you will be paying more, but that's your personal matter.

ThoroDredCLS

They are talking about average owner household income. Which means what everyone (spouse) included income combined. 95,000 is about 47500 per parent. That's about right.

Furthermore, 95,000 a year and I DAMN SURE wouldn't be driving a CRAMPED S4. M3 is better, e55 is even better or clk 55. Audi??? nah. maybe a RS6 when it gets here. Otherwise, waste of money :P

cnatra

no shit

this guy is a TROLL

all he's doing posting over here badmouthing the CL

go buy your damn bimmer already!


Why don't you find a MI CL-S owner to race so they can spank your Audi (Quattro Audi's are not known for being light weight!)

Black CL-S 4-Life

Get the fuck out!

CL FWD SPEED

wow I think thats bull....I'm still in school and yet sruggling

Audi2003LeMans

Thanks for your PERFORMANCE posts:

lets act like were from 1984 and base everything on 0-60. If thats your theory, buy a Mustang dipshits. I don't care about straight-line racing. you ain't got shit on BMW. Whats the last AWARD Acura won?? When have they ever recieved best-in-its-class award?? NEVER. The truth behold.. EVERYTHING but your 0-60 is killed. See the BMWs fly by.. (with WAY more STYLE and CLASS)!!

JakeCL

you dont drive a bmw so what the fuck are you even bringing this shit up for, but hey id be mad at the world too if i owned an old ass jetta... excuse me i mean a4
why dont you drop the stage 3 turbo kit in your car then talk some shit

Crazy Bimmer

MDX has won many awards.

Also dumbass, the bmw isnt really turbo friendly. I think i know of TWo whole people who has a CUSTOM turbo in their e46. Supercharger is a different story.

typeR

sometimes i think you guys should sit back and read some of the posts,you post and others as well ,and take a deep breath...if yuo dont like someone or what they say sometimes,most times ignoring them is the best bet...here's an example of what this thread is starting to sound like:








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Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:51:43 AM
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I also have a camera mount. I can host the video too, so that's no problem.
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Hopefully his camera guy will do me a favor and get a good shot of my dhp sticker. FREE ADVERTISING WOO-HOO!

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Hopefully there is no camera guy this time because all he does is slow down the torqueless S2000. I'd imagine the S2000 would have put another full car on the GTP if the camera guy wasn't there. 150lbs in extra weight to a 2.0 liter is far more significant than 150lbs to a SC 3.8 liter.


Dave

96 Maxima 5 speed 189fwhp/186fwtq
14.68@97.79mph with 2.30 60' (before manifold)
ET/MPH with my new 53fwhp intake mod????

beyerch
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Charles Beyer
1998 Metallic Green 2 door GTP 13.887 @ 96.97 MPH on 3.0

Glenview, IL
USA

Forum member since: 06/04/2000

Posted - 12/19/2002 : 1:10:09 PM
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True.

Hmmmm... Ok, hopefully his car is waxed and mirror clean so that when i film his car next to mine, it will catch the reflection ???

does that work for everyone?

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Hopefully his camera guy will do me a favor and get a good shot of my dhp sticker. FREE ADVERTISING WOO-HOO!

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Hopefully there is no camera guy this time because all he does is slow down the torqueless S2000. I'd imagine the S2000 would have put another full car on the GTP if the camera guy wasn't there. 150lbs in extra weight to a 2.0 liter is far more significant than 150lbs to a SC 3.8 liter.


Dave

96 Maxima 5 speed 189fwhp/186fwtq
14.68@97.79mph with 2.30 60' (before manifold)
ET/MPH with my new 53fwhp intake mod????



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hardtutame
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Fact is unless you take the S2000 to a curvy road it is a pitiful waste of 35K+ on a "sports" car. PERIOD. If you buy a S2000 to race in a straight line you bought the wrong car... it's not made to drag. If you want a 1/4 mile killer don't waste time and money on the S2K unless you plan on taking it into the twisties. I don't see why some people would want a car you have to rev up to 7K to make power. It's just my opinion but I would have got a different car for that amount of money.
BTW if you watch the movie they only race for about 10 seconds.. that is a LOT of distance to put on a GTP.

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Ill tell you what the fact is, the fact is that such a waste of a car as the S2000 is as you call it thats not made to drag race beat a V6 supercharged GTP thats made for drag racing with such a small 4 cylinder like the S2000 has. Now thats pitiful. Actually sticker price on the S2000 is 32,000 and its well worth it, I honestly think that to have a v6 supercharged with all that torque and still get burned is a waste of money, wouldnt u think?
32,000 worth of good handling and hot looks far better than your car. And yeah I would wanna a car that revs to 9,000 cause its a rush and like no other. The engine in the S2000 is a highly tuned engine that puts out as much power as your supercharged V6, you see, the GTP to produce all that power , it needs a supercharger, the S2000 is already making that much power with no supercharger, thats what you pay for, TECHNOLOGY.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate GTP's as much as I appreciate S2000 as much as I appreciate other cars, this is only meant towards the people that rag on other cars such as you man. Next time be smarter about your comments.

widerGTP
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Hmmmm?

PUNK em all 733
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Ill tell you what the fact is, the fact is that such a waste of a car as the S2000 is as you call it thats not made to drag race beat a V6 supercharged GTP thats made for drag racing with such a small 4 cylinder like the S2000 has. Now thats pitiful. Actually sticker price on the S2000 is 32,000 and its well worth it, I honestly think that to have a v6 supercharged with all that torque and still get burned is a waste of money, wouldnt u think?
32,000 worth of good handling and hot looks far better than your car. And yeah I would wanna a car that revs to 9,000 cause its a rush and like no other. The engine in the S2000 is a highly tuned engine that puts out as much power as your supercharged V6, you see, the GTP to produce all that power , it needs a supercharger, the S2000 is already making that much power with no supercharger, thats what you pay for, TECHNOLOGY.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate GTP's as much as I appreciate S2000 as much as I appreciate other cars, this is only meant towards the people that rag on other cars such as you man. Next time be smarter about your comments.

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AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA....*GASP*...HAHAAAA!!!


Having said that, please just let this thread die! GTP lost let's move on.

Edited by - punk em all 733 on 12/19/2002 7:48:15 PM

HotRod
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Rod Kemp
2002 Dark Cherry 2 door GTP 40th

Orlando, FL
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And yeah I would wanna a car that revs to 9,000 cause its a rush and like no other. The engine in the S2000 is a highly tuned engine that puts out as much power as your supercharged V6,
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You are right on the horsepower, but WHERE IS THE TORQUE???? Thats something Hondas have never had and never will. Most meople like the thrust of torque, not having to wait until that Vtec crap kicks in at 6500...

I dont have all day..

Rod K.
'02 GTP 40th Anniversary
14.09@98.76
'93 Lightning #1529
13.27@101.55 all motor
12.52@107.28 125 shot



typeR
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really...my honda has a little torque...my est crank numbers are 315/265 assuming the same factory 23% drivetrain loss but real world numbers are. ive done 14.047@99.77 in 70*/100% ' my car weighs 3750 lbs with driver...


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'02 GTP 40th Anniversary
14.09@98.76
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13.27@101.55 all motor
12.52@107.28 125 shot
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GTP4UNME
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Tim Algozzine
1998 Black 2 door GTP - 13.422 @ 101.58

Freehold/Cairo, NY


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Ill tell you what the fact is, the fact is that such a waste of a car as the S2000 is as you call it thats not made to drag race beat a V6 supercharged GTP thats made for drag racing with such a small 4 cylinder like the S2000 has. Now thats pitiful. Actually sticker price on the S2000 is 32,000 and its well worth it, I honestly think that to have a v6 supercharged with all that torque and still get burned is a waste of money, wouldnt u think?
32,000 worth of good handling and hot looks far better than your car. And yeah I would wanna a car that revs to 9,000 cause its a rush and like no other. The engine in the S2000 is a highly tuned engine that puts out as much power as your supercharged V6, you see, the GTP to produce all that power , it needs a supercharger, the S2000 is already making that much power with no supercharger, thats what you pay for, TECHNOLOGY.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate GTP's as much as I appreciate S2000 as much as I appreciate other cars, this is only meant towards the people that rag on other cars such as you man. Next time be smarter about your comments.

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WOW, you suck at life. Your mind is barely 1 dimentional with a comment like that. Yes, the GTP was designed for drag racing, thats why its NOT intercooled, has a tranny geared horribly high, and comes in a sedan with a 4 door option.

Ok, let me talk in your intTeLlimagimenT ways now:

[jackass]OMG!! You have DOHC, VTEC, a 9000 RPM redline and you still only make as much HP as the old technology pushrod engine in the GTP, and there's no torque!?!?! HOLY SHIT!!! Imagine you put VTEC and bolted on some DOHC in a GeeTeePee, then moved the redline to 9000, OMG!!! That thing would rip the space-time continuum!!!
DUDE!! What a piece of shit that S2000 engine is.[/jackass]

Tim

widerGTP
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TypeR - you have 3.5L of displacement right?


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David Center
1998 Silvermist 2 door GT

Midlothian, VA
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Ill tell you what the fact is, the fact is that such a waste of a car as the S2000 is as you call it thats not made to drag race beat a V6 supercharged GTP thats made for drag racing with such a small 4 cylinder like the S2000 has. Now thats pitiful. Actually sticker price on the S2000 is 32,000 and its well worth it, I honestly think that to have a v6 supercharged with all that torque and still get burned is a waste of money, wouldnt u think?
32,000 worth of good handling and hot looks far better than your car. And yeah I would wanna a car that revs to 9,000 cause its a rush and like no other. The engine in the S2000 is a highly tuned engine that puts out as much power as your supercharged V6, you see, the GTP to produce all that power , it needs a supercharger, the S2000 is already making that much power with no supercharger, thats what you pay for, TECHNOLOGY.
Dont get me wrong I appreciate GTP's as much as I appreciate S2000 as much as I appreciate other cars, this is only meant towards the people that rag on other cars such as you man. Next time be smarter about your comments.

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WOW, you suck at life. Your mind is barely 1 dimentional with a comment like that. Yes, the GTP was designed for drag racing, thats why its NOT intercooled, has a tranny geared horribly high, and comes in a sedan with a 4 door option.

Ok, let me talk in your intTeLlimagimenT ways now:

[jackass]OMG!! You have DOHC, VTEC, a 9000 RPM redline and you still only make as much HP as the old technology pushrod engine in the GTP, and there's no torque!?!?! HOLY SHIT!!! Imagine you put VTEC and bolted on some DOHC in a GeeTeePee, then moved the redline to 9000, OMG!!! That thing would rip the space-time continuum!!!
DUDE!! What a piece of shit that S2000 engine is.[/jackass]

Tim



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Tim, now that's funny, I'm crying...I'm itchin' to see Charles' race with the troll!!! Can't wait to see how the S2K likes having his ass handed to him...if I'm wrong, I'll eat these words with shit on top....Good luck guys and be careful...
DC.

'98 Silvermist GT Coupe/ Enkei RS6's wrapped with Goodyear Eagles/Thrasher CAI/180*T-Stat/Flowmasters/40th Anniversary Tips/U-Bend&Resonator Removed/Front&Rear Buick STB's/Custom Grills/Lo-Tek 3 Guage Pod/Blazertech 3200's/Clear Corners/35% Tint/White ZZP Underglows/Debadged


Toolman
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really...my honda has a little torque...my est crank numbers are 315/265 assuming the same factory 23% drivetrain loss but real world numbers are. ive done 14.047@99.77 in 70*/100% ' my car weighs 3750 lbs with driver...
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What kind of car is this? Did you buy a Type S Acura? Sorry, but I would expect better times and traps out of 315 hp. Perhaps your estimate is a little high.

SOLOBLAZER
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SOLOBLAZER
2001 Black 2 door GTP

Rochester, NY

UNYCGP


Forum member since: 06/28/2001

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LMAO!! Last time I checked, my car was made for getting groceries. Nowhere in the booklet or owners manual did I see anything about it running 14s at the track. But still, I can respect a well driven S2000, especially ones that run low 14s. Plain and simple, that GP got what was coming to him. Maybe he will learn how to drive his car and it might be a little closer next time. However I think it would be pretty hard for him to compete with a 14 flat anything. I know it is for me and my 3750 race weight.

However, no offense but I would never pay that much money for an S2000. That would look pretty good in the driveway as a GTO though.

typeR
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Posted - 12/19/2002 : 10:29:19 PM
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TypeR - you have 3.5L of displacement right?


yep 3.5 stroked from the factory 3.2 acctually a honda oddessey block ...


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What kind of car is this? Did you buy a Type S Acura? Sorry, but I would expect better times and traps out of 315 hp. Perhaps your estimate is a little high.
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remember thats a crank estimate now subtract 23% 245-250 to the ground in a FWD 3750 lb car...but also remember my best 1/4 came in less than desirable conditions im still waiting on some weather here...(florida) ...i have run one 1/8th alittle closer to what i expect this car to do 8.969 my best 1/4 14.047 had an 1/8th of 9.084...on the right day i think ill pull off a 13.8** @101 -102







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hardtutame
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NY


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And yeah I would wanna a car that revs to 9,000 cause its a rush and like no other. The engine in the S2000 is a highly tuned engine that puts out as much power as your supercharged V6,
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You are right on the horsepower, but WHERE IS THE TORQUE???? Thats something Hondas have never had and never will. Most meople like the thrust of torque, not having to wait until that Vtec crap kicks in at 6500...

I dont have all day..

Rod K.
'02 GTP 40th Anniversary
14.09@98.76
'93 Lightning #1529
13.27@101.55 all motor
12.52@107.28 125 shot
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Well actually you are right, Hondas never had torque, but obviously in this case torque wasnt necessary at all :-)
and it actually doesnt take all day for VTEC to kick in, if it does then you are a hell of a bad driver. Torque is not an issue when u got the power ;-)

IH8RICE
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Edwards AFB, CA
USA

Forum member since: 03/30/2001

Posted - 12/19/2002 : 10:53:31 PM
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If a honda isn't fast until Vtec kicks in then why don't they always use the Vtec cam???? LMAO..



(J/K I know why.. it's becuase it would have even less torque in the lower RPM's.)

98 GTP
14.923@92.73 (Uncorercted @ 5,800ft)
00 Cougar V6
To slow to wanna know...

hardtutame
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NY


Forum member since: 12/19/2002

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WOW, you suck at life. Your mind is barely 1 dimentional with a comment like that. Yes, the GTP was designed for drag racing, thats why its NOT intercooled, has a tranny geared horribly high, and comes in a sedan with a 4 door option.

Ok, let me talk in your intTeLlimagimenT ways now:

[jackass]OMG!! You have DOHC, VTEC, a 9000 RPM redline and you still only make as much HP as the old technology pushrod engine in the GTP, and there's no torque!?!?! HOLY SHIT!!! Imagine you put VTEC and bolted on some DOHC in a GeeTeePee, then moved the redline to 9000, OMG!!! That thing would rip the space-time continuum!!!
DUDE!! What a piece of shit that S2000 engine is.[/jackass]

Tim
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Lol wow Im really talking to an educated person that seems to have just gotten their BOCES completion certificate. To start you really cant say that my mind is 1 dimensional cause I was simply replying to another uneducated person such as you.

I will follow your style of talk so you dont get lost in the words.
[dumbass] We do have DOHC VTEC, a 9000RPM redline and we still only make as much HP as the old technology pushrod engine in the GTP, well you see dumbass you have 2 more cylinders and each of your cylinders are bigger, and you have a supercharger and you are making as much HP as the S2000. The S2000 with no torque, 2 less and smaller cylinders is making about the same HP, cant you see the point? T-E-C-H-N-O-L-G-Y. S2000 is making 120 per liter? Is yours even with the supercharger? Call that no efficiency. And you cant imagine nothing like DOHC VTEC being put on the GTP. c-mon now thats Hondas technology, GTP'manuf' couldnt think n those terms but torque,HP and big displacement. Isnt it amazing that you can take a little 2.0 liter and make the same HP as a Blown V6? I know this is hard for you to comprehend im sorry
And I dont mean to call you dumbass dumbass but again the 2.0 torqueless piece of shit engine beat your so great torque monster.


IH8RICE
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Edwards AFB, CA
USA

Forum member since: 03/30/2001

Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:00:52 PM
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WOW, you suck at life. Your mind is barely 1 dimentional with a comment like that. Yes, the GTP was designed for drag racing, thats why its NOT intercooled, has a tranny geared horribly high, and comes in a sedan with a 4 door option.

Ok, let me talk in your intTeLlimagimenT ways now:

[jackass]OMG!! You have DOHC, VTEC, a 9000 RPM redline and you still only make as much HP as the old technology pushrod engine in the GTP, and there's no torque!?!?! HOLY SHIT!!! Imagine you put VTEC and bolted on some DOHC in a GeeTeePee, then moved the redline to 9000, OMG!!! That thing would rip the space-time continuum!!!
DUDE!! What a piece of shit that S2000 engine is.[/jackass]

Tim



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Lol wow Im really talking to an educated person that seems to have just gotten their BOCES completion certificate. To start you really cant say that my mind is 1 dimensional cause I was simply replying to another uneducated person such as you.

I will follow your style of talk so you dont get lost in the words.
[dumbass] We do have DOHC VTEC, a 9000RPM redline and we still only make as much HP as the old technology pushrod engine in the GTP, well you see dumbass you have 2 more cylinders and each of your cylinders are bigger, and you have a supercharger and you are making as much HP as the S2000. The S2000 with no torque, 2 less and smaller cylinders is making about the same HP, cant you see the point? T-E-C-H-N-O-L-G-Y. S2000 is making 120 per liter? Is yours even with the supercharger? Call that no efficiency. And you cant imagine nothing like DOHC VTEC being put on the GTP. c-mon now thats Hondas technology, GTP'manuf' couldnt think n those terms but torque,HP and big displacement. Isnt it amazing that you can take a little 2.0 liter and make the same HP as a Blown V6? I know this is hard for you to comprehend im sorry
And I dont mean to call you dumbass dumbass but again the 2.0 torqueless piece of shit engine beat your so great torque monster.

[/quote]LIKE YOU SAID YOURSELF YOU HAVE A TUNED RACING ENGINE... ours is de-tuned.. the engine block can make more horsepower than your's could dream about making.. even if you wished really hard to the Vtec fairy...

Really not a flame... you two are comparing two totally different cars... It gets old.

98 GTP
14.923@92.73 (Uncorercted @ 5,800ft)
00 Cougar V6
To slow to wanna know...

SMKN97GP
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

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wow this is getting out of control. i think i can sum up this whole thread for you. Honda S2000's are gay. if you own one, or like one you should dive head first off of a cliff. if you are a "ricer" or like "import tuning" go back to your country of origin and do it there. VTEC= Vietnamese Technical Enginer on Crack. and seriously if i see one more Powered by "chicken scratch writing from the orient" sticker or seatbelt cover im going to throw up. USA-1
typeR
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wow this is getting out of control. i think i can sum up this whole thread for you. Honda S2000's are gay. if you own one, or like one you should dive head first off of a cliff. if you are a "ricer" or like "import tuning" go back to your country of origin and do it there. VTEC= Vietnamese Technical Enginer on Crack. and seriously if i see one more Powered by "chicken scratch writing from the orient" sticker or seatbelt cover im going to throw up. USA-1

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wow sometimes this board surpirses me on what kinda of people come out of the wood work,,,the honda accord is made in america with more parts manufactuered in america than any other car. thats period

Edited by - typeR on 12/19/2002 11:13:08 PM

hardtutame
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WOW, you suck at life. Your mind is barely 1 dimentional with a comment like that. Yes, the GTP was designed for drag racing, thats why its NOT intercooled, has a tranny geared horribly high, and comes in a sedan with a 4 door option.

Ok, let me talk in your intTeLlimagimenT ways now:

[jackass]OMG!! You have DOHC, VTEC, a 9000 RPM redline and you still only make as much HP as the old technology pushrod engine in the GTP, and there's no torque!?!?! HOLY SHIT!!! Imagine you put VTEC and bolted on some DOHC in a GeeTeePee, then moved the redline to 9000, OMG!!! That thing would rip the space-time continuum!!!
DUDE!! What a piece of shit that S2000 engine is.[/jackass]

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Lol wow Im really talking to an educated person that seems to have just gotten their BOCES completion certificate. To start you really cant say that my mind is 1 dimensional cause I was simply replying to another uneducated person such as you.

I will follow your style of talk so you dont get lost in the words.
[dumbass] We do have DOHC VTEC, a 9000RPM redline and we still only make as much HP as the old technology pushrod engine in the GTP, well you see dumbass you have 2 more cylinders and each of your cylinders are bigger, and you have a supercharger and you are making as much HP as the S2000. The S2000 with no torque, 2 less and smaller cylinders is making about the same HP, cant you see the point? T-E-C-H-N-O-L-G-Y. S2000 is making 120 per liter? Is yours even with the supercharger? Call that no efficiency. And you cant imagine nothing like DOHC VTEC being put on the GTP. c-mon now thats Hondas technology, GTP'manuf' couldnt think n those terms but torque,HP and big displacement. Isnt it amazing that you can take a little 2.0 liter and make the same HP as a Blown V6? You have all that displacement going to waste. And see the VTEC technology was designed so you can have a smaller displacement engine, with reasonable gas mileage and still have power to go, rather than have this big displacement weighty engine. I know this is hard for you to comprehend im sorry.
And I dont mean to call you dumbass dumbass but again the 2.0 torqueless piece of shit engine still beats your so great torque blown monster. (let alone slapping a turbo or charger on that tiny 2 liter.)

You can call the engine a piece of shit all you want but you cant back up your argument
so just eat your words.
In case you forget this is what im referring to:
[jackass]OMG!! You have DOHC, VTEC, a 9000 RPM redline and you still only make as much HP as the old technology pushrod engine in the GTP, and there's no torque!?!?! HOLY SHIT!!! Imagine you put VTEC and bolted on some DOHC in a GeeTeePee, then moved the redline to 9000, OMG!!! That thing would rip the space-time continuum!!!
DUDE!! What a piece of shit that S2000 engine is.[/jackass]
this makes no sense the only thing i can tell you is imagine the S with a 3.5 liter, it would have about 420HP at the same efficiency.
So....Highly tuned VS Not highly tuned


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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:13:58 PM
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judging by your name. hell im not even gonan bother to respond to you. TYPE R!!!!! haha. makes me laugh
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:16:26 PM
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all i have to say to you import fools is....you can do whatever you want to your 4 cylinders. you can put on turbos up the rear and have cams dualing all over the place. the s2000 runs for like 36,000 stock. for that much i could get some american muscle that would be able to run the quarter mile twice before the 2000 was finished. and when you buy a civic and spend alllll that money in mods...imagine if you bought a fast car in the first place. hha you will never learn
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judging by your name. hell im not even gonan bother to respond to you. TYPE R!!!!! haha. makes me laugh

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lol what a lamo
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Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:21:24 PM
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wow. another gifted child has joined the forum. let me guess. next your gonna tell me how many HP per liter your car makes woopte fawkin doo. and maybe after that we can tune your NOS fogger system and order some overnite parts from japan! woo hoo


Edited by - smkn97gp on 12/19/2002 11:29:25 PM

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wow this is getting out of control. i think i can sum up this whole thread for you. Honda S2000's are gay. if you own one, or like one you should dive head first off of a cliff.

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Funny you should mention that. Oh, you wrote dive, I thought you wrote drive at first.

I don't think they are that bad. I know of at least one member here that owns one, but he is sub-leasing it out. I'm not going to guess why. Pushbutton start is cool I guess

EDIT: I would right click and save the video. I found that one here somewhere.

Edited by - SOLOBLAZER on 12/19/2002 11:31:17 PM

SMKN97GP
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:32:58 PM
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hahahahah. that was funny. hope no one got hurt tho.
IH8RICE
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Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:34:08 PM
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wow. another gifted child has joined the forum. let me guess. next your gonna tell me how many HP per liter your car makes wooo ho. and maybe after that we can tune your NOS fogger system and order some overnite parts from japan! woo hoo

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Hey man.... Type-R is a cool guy... he's not the whiny stereotypical ricer that uses the extra cylinder or displacement excuse. He's always ben cool w/ us and we should be cool towards him. He likes us 12V iron engine lovers and as far as I know most all of us like him. Plz.. if you are gonna bash... bash someone that truly deserves it.

98 GTP
14.923@92.73 (Uncorercted @ 5,800ft)
00 Cougar V6
To slow to wanna know...

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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:38:21 PM
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alright...well with a name like TypeR and all those dime a dozen fool kids out there sticking R badges all over there cars you cna see why i was stereotypical. oh well my last poast wasnt even toward type r it was to hardtutame
hardtutame
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Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:43:55 PM
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all i have to say to you import fools is....you can do whatever you want to your 4 cylinders. you can put on turbos up the rear and have cams dualing all over the place. the s2000 runs for like 36,000 stock. for that much i could get some american muscle that would be able to run the quarter mile twice before the 2000 was finished. and when you buy a civic and spend alllll that money in mods...imagine if you bought a fast car in the first place. hha you will never learn

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Right, you get what you pay for, well said... obviously you are a little shallow and are just thinking 1/4 mile. and have you seen imports doing 9seconds or less with turbos?? does it coes more? maybe so but hey its what you pay for.


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wow. another gifted child has joined the forum. let me guess. next your gonna tell me how many HP per liter your car makes woopte fawkin doo. and maybe after that we can tune your NOS fogger system and order some overnite parts from japan! woo hoo

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Just like I believe you said and others have said its not only just the HP and torque and displacement, but its also weight transfer, gear ratio and all that.
Its also quality efficiency, and concept,etc
You are replying but not thinking carefully

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Charles Beyer
1998 Metallic Green 2 door GTP 13.887 @ 96.97 MPH on 3.0

Glenview, IL
USA

Forum member since: 06/04/2000

Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:44:02 PM
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relax guys, it will be a FRIENDLY race. Not some "kick his ricer ass race...."

FTR, I have the liberty to run against S2000's anytime i want so this won't be a new experience. I see one ALMOST every day.

I think they are nice cars; however, they are not my thing. I'd buy a vette instead. But they aren't SHiT cars......

charles


IH8RICE
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USA

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Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:47:41 PM
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The twistiez bit that one S2000 driver pretty bad... Hope the dude's is OK.

I did see somehting that gave me a chuckle.. the driver looked like the stereotypical snotty young rich boy in the car daddy bought him.


98 GTP
14.923@92.73 (Uncorercted @ 5,800ft)
00 Cougar V6
To slow to wanna know...

hardtutame
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NY


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Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:49:34 PM
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alright...well with a name like TypeR and all those dime a dozen fool kids out there sticking R badges all over there cars you cna see why i was stereotypical. oh well my last poast wasnt even toward type r it was to hardtutame

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IN case you didnt know I came from the V8 american family, and like I said before I appreciate the S2000 as well as the GTP as well as other cars, I was just simply replying to a stupid uneducated reply from someone here. Obviously you reading my replies but not analyzing them correctly, very stereotypical around here as I see
SMKN97GP
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:51:21 PM
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well im sorry. i must waiting for the day when a ricer car captures my respect but its yet to happen. its like why would you want an s2000 when you could have a camaro SS?
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

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Posted - 12/19/2002 : 11:57:20 PM
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i guess i just cant see any logical reasoning behind it. oh well. right now im gonna mod out the GT a bit more and enjoy it for what it is. right now its the sportiest thing i can get that gets me the gas mileage i need. when im done school and i can sell my GP, im going to get another american v8. mostlikely a camaro. and i shall than patrol the local dragstrips, instilling fear into the hearts of non-american car racers everywhere. goodnite. usa-1
hardtutame
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Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:01:11 AM
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well im sorry. i must waiting for the day when a ricer car captures my respect but its yet to happen. its like why would you want an s2000 when you could have a camaro SS?

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Likewise
i must waiting for the day when ignorant people such as yourself get my respect.
Why would you want an S2000 when you can have a Camaro SS. I can answer that Can you?
Simply because different cars were made for different people. I chose to go with the hot looks,convertile top,power to go, and quality Not just straight performance. You chose your camaro if you own one because thats your preference and thats ok.
This is like so common sense, can you understand it?
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

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Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:02:23 AM
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this thread is dead.

Edited by - smkn97gp on 12/20/2002 12:05:36 AM

hardtutame
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i guess i just cant see any logical reasoning behind it. oh well. right now im gonna mod out the GT a bit more and enjoy it for what it is. right now its the sportiest thing i can get that gets me the gas mileage i need. when im done school and i can sell my GP, im going to get another american v8. mostlikely a camaro. and i shall than patrol the local dragstrips, instilling fear into the hearts of non-american car racers everywhere. goodnite. usa-1

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Can I get as stereotypical as this RedNeck comment? (Background = Red)

SMKN97GP
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:07:31 AM
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oh im sorry. im not a redneck. im a ****ing american. and im sick of all this jap crap.
SMKN97GP
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:08:44 AM
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in 50 years when people look back they are gonna remember the corvettes, the mustangs, the firebirds, the camaros, and the real cars. no one is gonna remember what a honda 2000 is
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:11:23 AM
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i mean your the fool here. lets see 30k+ for a honda....or for the same amount you culd get yourself an SVT Lightning. now that my friend is a vehicle.
hardtutame
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Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:14:04 AM
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oh im sorry. im not a redneck. im a ****ing american. and im sick of all this jap crap.

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well act like a ****ing american not a scum.
how can u say you are american acting with all racism and ignorance, man get help

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in 50 years when people look back they are gonna remember the corvettes, the mustangs, the firebirds, the camaros, and the real cars. no one is gonna remember what a honda 2000 is
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in 50 years youll probably be dead with tht ignorance guy. Unless you are some fortuneteller I doubt that. Still sounds red to me guy
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:20:13 AM
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ok. the s2000 is cute and all. but if it wasnt for fast and the furious. no one would know or care what the hell that funny looking 2 seater honda that they just saw drive by was. im done with this thread. some people will never learn. one day you will wake up from your little world. and realize you drive a honda. and there isnt anything special about it.
Darkside
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, Cleveland OH
USA

Forum member since: 11/26/2001

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:22:20 AM
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Too much hatred on this board. I'm not a fan of most foreign cars, but I'm a car enthusiast so there are always exceptions. The S2000's look nice and are most likely a blast to drive. I've offered to lineup with two so far, and they both politely declined.
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:24:31 AM
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well of course they delcined. i wouldnt mess with an infamous T-type!
hardtutame
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Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:26:46 AM
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ok. the s2000 is cute and all. but if it wasnt for fast and the furious. no one would know or care what the hell that funny looking 2 seater honda that they just saw drive by was. im done with this thread. some people will never learn. one day you will wake up from your little world. and realize you drive a honda. and there isnt anything special about it.

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I dont care to know that other people know about it. I care about taking pride in what I own. Getting a compliment everyday in my car is very inevitable cause its a hot looking car. and dude i been awake for years, I know I drive a Honda although not special to you its special to me, What makes your "me too" car special. Lets hear it Do you own a real american car or do u just own a GTP?

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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:26:49 AM
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he is right about the hatred. im done with this thread. hardtutame feel free to blow off as much steem as you want and i hope you enjoy your 4 cylinders of fury.
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:28:58 AM
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i previously has a camaro. my father has a corvette which we restored. i currently have the grand prix as a daily driver and i have a project monte carlo with a 350 that i toy with and plan to bring up to the track for some fun. when i get out of college im getting another camaro. thats is all.
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:31:54 AM
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i think its good to have pride in your car, its good to work on your car, and i respect that. but i just think that ricers are misled with their choice of vehicle. and due to the vast amount of kids out there with civics, with muflers and stickers galore who think they are f1 racers, it just gives the whole import tuning crowd a bad rap. but thats just my redneck opinion. goodnite
hardtutame
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Forum member since: 12/19/2002

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:33:20 AM
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Too much hatred on this board. I'm not a fan of most foreign cars, but I'm a car enthusiast so there are always exceptions. The S2000's look nice and are most likely a blast to drive. I've offered to lineup with two so far, and they both politely declined.

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If im looking at it correctly I see a Grand National, I lined up with them on the highway about 70 to 125, I had over 7 cars on this guy, we did this about 30 times since we were both going home 50 miles out.
Nice cool guy he complimented my car and I complimented his, no hard feelings. and like you said im a car enthusiastic but dont hate any american cars
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Steve
1997 Black 2 door GT

Westford, MA
USA

Forum member since: 09/20/2002

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:36:52 AM
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was it the turbo 6 GN tho? and did he know how to drive. i guess it might be believable seing they arent highway racers. i bet if it was a 1/4 mile from a dead stop it would of been alot different
hardtutame
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Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:37:43 AM
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i previously has a camaro. my father has a corvette which we restored. i currently have the grand prix as a daily driver and i have a project monte carlo with a 350 that i toy with and plan to bring up to the track for some fun. when i get out of college im getting another camaro. thats is all.

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And ok? what is so special about those cars, still have not heard nothing special about them, and I could see the reasoning behind your answers, you are just a college kid.
On the other hand I see your point, Dont get me wrong, I dont like guys that buy a civic with 100HP and slap on a muffler, and now they have 90HP, but they think they have 110, with stickers all over, so when it comes time to line up they have nothing to represent for, thats true, but hey each with their own preference, and I think and I know the S2000 is a respectable car.

hardtutame
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Posted - 12/20/2002 : 12:39:50 AM
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was it the turbo 6 GN tho? and did he know how to drive. i guess it might be believable seing they arent highway racers. i bet if it was a 1/4 mile from a dead stop it would of been alot different

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I dont know as it was dark at night, the car was black, and the only conversation we had was driving alongside of each other for about 20 seconds.
Darkside
Senior Member


, Cleveland OH
USA

Forum member since: 11/26/2001

Posted - 12/20/2002 : 01:16:31 AM
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Actually they declined to race my Gtp. I only put the Gn in my avatar so I don't have to go out into the garage everyday.

If you raced a GN, it was either very ill or a hotair. Most GN's are built for the 1/4 mile, but they are also killer from a roll if properly done.

SOLOBLAZER
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2001 Black 2 door GTP

Rochester, NY

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Posted - 12/20/2002 : 02:59:26 AM
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On the other hand I see your point, Dont get me wrong, I dont like guys that buy a civic with 100HP and slap on a muffler, and now they have 90HP, but they think they have 110, with stickers all over, so when it comes time to line up they have nothing to represent for,...

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Amidst a thread filled with hatred, there is comedy. LMAO.
hardtutame, what part of NY are you from?

Edited by - SOLOBLAZER on 12/20/2002 03:03:46 AM

SOLOBLAZER
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Actually they declined to race my Gtp. I only put the Gn in my avatar so I don't have to go out into the garage everyday.

If you raced a GN, it was either very ill or a hotair. Most GN's are built for the 1/4 mile, but they are also killer from a roll if properly done.



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Darkside, your GTP runs 12s doesn't it? A black GTP? I think that's you, maybe not. I would probably decline a friendly race as well.....hehe

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typeR

yep it goes on and on about nothing...rice this and rice that...an S2000 beat a pulleyed GTP on video 5 pages long and counting

TypeSKid

What would you live out of the car, dumbass?


Maybe when you are in the REAL world you'll understand that a car is a depreciating investment, and real estate is an APPRECIATING expense.

$95K must go a long way in cheese country.

Stock03CLS

Guys. Read that again. $95K family income, not individual income. By that, I believe they assume that there's perhaps a spouse, mortgage and one or more children in the mix. Even if the spouse has an income as well, $95K doesn't seem to go as far for a family as it does for the single individual, unless you're still living in a small apartment, have free child care and Ramen noodles are your primary form of sustenance.

ThoroDredCLS

He's a wannabe BMW owner Thats why he bought an a4 instead of a 330i or 328i because he can't afford one and he is still dreaming of owning one. So for his struggles of wanting to buy a bmw he is mad at the world and chose ACL.com as his place for venting. :P

lrutt

Well, not gonna give our family income. I don't understand the logic though in spending so much on a car. Also, remember, if you have a wife, she needs wheels, you might have kids to consider, a house. You need to put away for retirement.

But hey, you can do what you want with your money. Someday you will understand. Just don't rack up bills then declare bankruptcy. That ends up costing me and that pisses me off.

DISRUPTV

if i made 95K, my car wouldn't cost no more than 1/2 (i.e. 47.5k) i know i know, i suck, but i would rather be safe than sorry

SiGGy

holy long post typeR

hehe

Audi2003LeMans

The original discussion was based on a NEWSPAPER review and a comparison.... www.dailyherald.com (all of you that say you can't compare the 325CI to the CL-S)!

And YES.. the CL-S was DIRECTLY compared to the 325Ci, the reason you meager-minded fools.. for this comparison is because the cars are in the SAME class and Same price range. Why don't we all stop looking at the 0-60. Do you even discuss QUARTER MILE times?? Thats what a real race would be.. a real race isn't until you reach 60 miles per hour. Now I'll tell you one thing.. our A4's over on AudiWorld are clockin' in Quarter Miles in 1.8T A4's in the low 12's. So now you tell me who won. Thats an In-LINE 4 too!!! Thats right, Audi doesn't even need a comparable engine. And for the idiots looking at 0-60 on STOCK, if you knew anything about the A4 1.8T, It comes MAJORLY down-tuned. The use they make of the Turbo, and Air flow system they have is kept to a minimal.. but guess what APR chip = 200HP on my In-Line 4. If I threw an APR exhaust with the APR chip I would smoke stock CL's. Thats pretty pathetic.

-= Stock 325i's are getting 15.6 second quarter miles

http://www.car-videos.com/performanc...?id1=177&id2=0

_= Stock '03 Acura CL-S 14.6 second quarter mile

http://www.car-videos.com/performanc...D1=177&ID2=183



** You think I can't make up that 1 sec. in MODs **

FUCK 0-60 .. look at the 500ft test... the 325 was only .5 seconds slower...

KEEP READING THOSE 0-60s though.. are we in High-School???

DISRUPTV

it isn't 2 hard 2 get a 4cyl. integra engine 2 run 12s w/a turbo and still be daily driven

Also the new rsx-S engine will run 12s as well w/ turbo

the point is that making 4cyl. car quick isn't as impressive a it use 2 be...now adding a turbo to a v6 or i6 would be just sweet...

BTW, we can argue all day, why a car is better than another...but why? Each car has their own benefit and merit...and each should hold a special place in their owners heart

Bluto

Hey bootlicker, try 3900.
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=82848


Ever price a turbo or SC for a BMW?

If you like turbos, stick to your VWs.

Plus, try to take your turbo BMW or modified VW to a dealer for warranty work. Oh wait, what warranty?

JakeCL

no i dont think you can make it up in mods because you dont have the car moron

DISRUPTV

HAHAAAA



goodshit jake

purplehaze

Give him a break guys..i am sure hes on a coke binge and hates himself and the world around him. Hey there buddy give me ur address so i can send some help.

PH

Audi2003LeMans

I give you STATS and #'s.. you give me insults,

sounds like the REAL case was made. Now that you FINALLY realize that 1/4 mile means MORE than 0-60. A race isn't determined on launch.. it is determined by a DISTANCE. And the BMW 325i does 1/4 mile 1 SECOND slower than the Acura CL-S. Now you know why it can be compared to your CL-S. I think I would rather MOD up a 325 than not have anything to really MOD under $5000. Soup for Thought.

Crazy Bimmer

moron, the 325/330 isnt that easy to mod as you think, the 323/328 were. I/H/E adds maybe 30hp TOTAL for the 325/330. Only way to get the e46 with more power is to supercharge. The CLS and 3-series has the same amount of mods, with almost the same about of power increase.

Please do your homework before you act like you own a bmw. :o

JakeCL

i guess headers that add 30whp are not really a mod then since they cost less than 5 thousand dollars with every post you make you make less and less sense, if you like the BMW so much why dont you drive one of those instead of your Jetta

Loseit

iTrader: (1)

just wondering...why are you such a hump?



go do whatever you want to do ...who gives a fuck? What is your problem? I tried to to stay away from this thread...but you are a real peice of work.

Black CL-S 4-Life

Hey cocksuck look at the 0-100 times 15.6 to 20.6...I don't know thats about 2 or 3 bus lenghts.

scalbert

A nice home, retirement accounts, vacation funds, etc. are reasons why that level of average family income might not warrant more car.

When I was younger I bought cars that were nearly equal to my annual income and loved every second of it even though my payment were over 25% of my income. But things change over the years and now I wouldn't consider having my payment be much more than 5% of my income. It is just a matter of perspective on where you are at and where you want to be in a few years.

Yes, I could afford much more car but to me this is plenty along with my wife's E46 328i. They provide the means which they were designed to do and provide some excitement while at it.

scalbert

You are making this comparison but can't afford a $500 chip...

This is sad; you honestly think you can make a 325i gain one second easily without going to forced induction?? Not to mention the almost 10 MPH, which is actually a more significant figure for most street races.

I understand that you don't like the CL, which means nothing to me and most others. But at least get your facts straight. I know what it costs to mod a CL and 3-Series as I own both. Neither are cheap with the CL being less expensive.

cnatra

Explain that AudidipshitBMWwannabe

We aren't trolling Audi boards bashing your ride, what's the point of you coming over here & posting?

Why don't you go to the BMW board & Edmunds.com to price you BMW & start saving your pennies to buy one ??


Why haven't you spent any $$$ modding your 20v1.8T ???

You could easily get 225-250hp out of that blown 4 banger with a chip to raise the boost on the turbo(at the expense of engine life) & some downpipe,exhaust & intercooler mods

The 3 series, A4 & CL/TL are all fine cars with different pros/cons.

WHY you Hating dude ???????? :sqntfawk:

Red Rider

Typical trolling Moron. You know he's driving a Yugo and all his money from the paper route goes to magazine subscriptions

suXor

I don't like being car poor. I purposly bought a 99 CL so my payments aren't out there. When you hacve kids, a house, rent, private school, etc, you can make 100+k a year and still not afford a new CL-S