Hello all,

This is from the Acura legend forum.

http://forums.legend.org/Forum1/HTML/009018.html

Check it out.

Also no disrespect to the G1 CL,JMO.

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San Marino Red 2001 Cl-S,"Weekend Car", spolier, wind deflector, navi, bra, mods to come..

Persian Red 88 Legend L Sedan, "Commuter Car/Project Car" 230k and still going strong.

Retired, Inza Red 98 CL 3.0, spolier, wind deflector,fog lights, changer, 60k miles in 2 yrs 4 months. Worst car Acura ever built IMO, POS!!

 

Wow.. 230K and still going strong.. now that is awesome.. the legends had 230hp and a 6-speed.. I did not know that.. yea I am sure those would be tough to beat, although I do not know why they spend so much time talking about comparing legends to cl-s, totally different class.. oh well I guess when a newbie car comes into the scene. u know


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2001 Satin silver CL-S
* no navi, spoiler, mudguards
* wheel locks, full front mask
* fenderwell and door trim
* soon Comptech springs and sways
* 5% tint rear side, back

 

i just realized there is a another world of other CL owners we dont even know.

maybe the stickers will help.

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2001 CL-S
Black/Black
Moonroof Visor
35% Tint All Around
Black Wood Dash Kit
Currently on TL rims with Nokian Winter Tires
My Bitch

 

I think they are confused (no disrespect); it's more closely related to the CL-P than the S. But I'll eat my words when I see the DYNO.

I'm impressed Acura made a 230 bhp engine, a 6-Speed manual transmission. Cuz my Pops has
the 4 speed automatic w/ 200 horses (@crank).

i dont think they would want to be identified as part of the CL world afterall the Legend came before the CL..

The Legend owners tradition is special in its own right

so i mean
they are like older brothers and sisters.
Likewise, we are like little brothers and siters to them


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- Kvit -
2001 CL=P Monterey Blue, Parchment interior
Polarg BlHybrid M-6 Road lamps
Polarg/PIAA super white interior lights *bling bling*
HP Quantum 28 -- 31% metallic tint all around
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=706725&f=0
Club Events Moderator


[This message has been edited by KavexTrax (edited 03-12-2001).]

 

I use to have an Acura Legend Coupe but it was a 4auto...was a nicely built car and very luxurious...but take in consideration that this car new was $40K and this was almost 10 years ago...considering the monetary value of money, that's like $50K now....very fast car but it should be compared to the Lexus Coupe of its time...is a fast car for the size but do not see it competing against the CL-S even in the 6 speed..The six speed will give the run for the money but only with mods...

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Silver 01' Type-S
Acura loyalty
retired a 2000 TL and a 94' Acura Legend Coupe
Comptech Springs
Comptech axle-back exhaust
Comptech headers
AEM CAI
yellow bumper (fog lights) bulbs
Clear Headlights

 

I have a lot of respect for the Legend coupe. I have always wanted one and that is why I got the CL. I only wish the CL was made as well as the Legend. As NovaWhiteTypeS said once, "That car was ahead of its time". I could not have said it any better.



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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
Comptech Springs
Apexi V-AFC
AEM CAI

 

damn, maybe i should trade 'down' to a legend cpe--i used to be in love w/those things (they were wayyyyyyy out of my price range tho) i had no clue about the 6-spd--now i'm REALLY pissed about the SS!!

we just GOTTA be getting a 6-spd manny for the next version!!!!

 

I was MR. Big on Bimmers until my first rid in a Legend. My Mother in law has an '89 that still runs like new, has never needed any work, and is pretty fast. That car is built like a tank.

The 1st time I got a ride home in one, was by a couple of my wife's friends from LAX and I couldn't believe how powerful, elegant, comfortable, and superior this car was to the BMWs at the time. I was so impressed, that I never forgot that ride. They sold the car to friends, who sold the car to friends and the car is still going. Say whatever, but that is a great car.

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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI

• Mud Guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
• Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
• Zaino magic
• Sways, headers, CAI comming soon

 

CL-S is a great car. It is just being marketed to a different buyer then what the Legend was targeted for. Those 230hp 6-Speed Legends had a best published 0-60 of 6.3 seconds (with the traction control system (TCS) off), and a best 1/4 mile of 14.9 seconds. Now most normal drivers only manage about 6.7, and 15.1-15.3. It is very hard to get that heaver Legend moving, so the launch has to be perfect. The car weighs in at over 3750+ lbs, so its low end really sucks if you don't launch right. Top speed of the 6-Speed Coupes were about 146 MPH, while the Sedan 6-Speeds actually toped out at or just above 150 MPH, but were a bit slower then the Coupes in the acceleration department. The difference is a different final gear ratio between the Coupes, and Sedan. I believe the 6-Speed 230 HP Coupes are actually a very good, and close match for the CL-S, although I still think the CL-S would edge out the Legend Coupe in most races, simply because the driver of the 6-Speed manual would always need a good start. If not, he will be behind from the get go, and the two cars are to close in acceleration performance to make the difference up. Anyway, an Acura is an Acura, and all are in the same family.

PS. Imagine if the CL-S had a 6-Speed manual. We are talking possibly high 5s 0-60, and low 14s

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Chris K.

 

The Legend really defined a new type of car. After the Legend came out, everyone else started rushing to build their own sports four door sedan. It was sporty and held four people very well. I had an '87 Sedan 4dr and I traded it in for the CL-S at 180,000 miles.

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http://albums.photopoint.com/j/Album...698&a=11616550
Red 3.2 CL-S.
"Life is too short not to be Italian." -Paul Sorvino
"How do you expect your date to turn over if your engine doesn't?" -Original

 

I think the main reason why Acura didn't put a Manual transmission for our cars is because w/ the legend coupes the Manuals sales wern't that high, considering its a luxury coupe and they didn't make that many either.

Most people purchasing a luxury coupe would prefer an auto (other age groups,non manual drivers )but since they came up w/ sequential sport shift that allowed both a manual feel and the comfort of auto, they decided to add in just a SS instead of building 2 diff models (auto/manual, saves money. Plus the SS satisfys most of the "performance minded drivers" (like everyone here)AND the drivers that just leave it in D5. This lets my mom drive the car incase of emergency.

Also I hate manuals in bummper to bummper traffic.

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CL-S
White/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Visor/Full Bra/Mud Guards/Cargo Net/Acura Car Cover/Tint 20%,35%,5% on Sun Roof, Rockford 250a2 Amp w/JL10w6 / K&N Drop in Filter. Comptech Springs. Polarg m-6.
Comptech Headers, Comptech Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.
AEM CAI once they decide to make the dame thing.
235/40/17's or 225/45/17's once I found out which one works for me.

gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.

 

Yep, like I've said before, our cars have a 6-speed tranny without a 4th gear. The gearing ratio for the CL in 4th is almost the same as the ratio for 5th in the Legend. But, we all know this already.

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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi
No Badges

35% tint/Wheel locks/Splash guards/PIAA 19169 bulbs/K&N 33-2178 air filter/Mobil-1 5W-30 oil & filter/Shine by Meguiar's/One scratched rim -- Competch springs on order!

 

Hmm...

I have 2 friends with Legends... one with a Type I sedan... and one with a Type II coupe.

I can spank the shit outta them both.

So until they step into the new millenium... or even step a little futher into the 90's... I think thats nuff said.

And to all the legend owners reading this...

Yes, the CL slows to a RELATIVE crawl at about 110mph... but remember I said relative! It feels crazy friggen slow to us because we got there soo friggen fast.

Ive raced many cars past the 4th gear point... and the CL holds its lead.

I would say maybe its possible that if we were neck and neck AT our 4th gear switch over... then maybe you could CRAWL (not walk) away... but by the time we get to that point... you are gone. Sorry.

And I apologize to all the Legend enthusiasts that are now CL owners... but it just bugs me when people make judgements on thier misinformation. Especially high & mighty Legend owners.

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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
San Marino Red (Navigation)
PIAA 19173 Ion Yellow Fog Lights
Aftermarket Black Wood Trim Kit

 

Oh, we forgot one more thing, which gets better gas mileage? I would have to say that my 32 mpg hwy is tough to beat (v6 vs v6).



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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi
No Badges

35% tint/Wheel locks/Splash guards/PIAA 19169 bulbs/K&N 33-2178 air filter/Mobil-1 5W-30 oil & filter/Shine by Meguiar's/One scratched rim -- Competch springs on order!

 

You have to remember too that the Legend sedan was replaced by the RL. It's really a different class of car. On the other hand, the Legend coupe was replaced (if you can say that) by the CL, which is a better comparison.



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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type-S
Satin Silver/Ebony
No Navi
No Badges

35% tint/Wheel locks/Splash guards/PIAA 19169 bulbs/K&N 33-2178 air filter/Mobil-1 5W-30 oil & filter/Shine by Meguiar's/One scratched rim -- Competch springs on order!

 

Geez, after 6 years I would hope Honda would be able to make a car that could beat the Legend. Although the CL-S has more HP and better MPG there are so many other features on the Legend that have not been met or exceeded in years. Acura's offerings have been getting better lately, but I do not believe they will exceed the VALUE of the Legend for some time. For me the Legend represents the complete package. Im sure one day I will step up into a new Acura, but only when I feel it will be just that a "step up". Maybe a V8 RL.

 

Now I certainly do not want this thread turning into one great big CL vs Legend bitchfest, but comments like this bother me. Let me remind everyone that in today's dollars the Legend would be well over $50K. I've read that the '95 Legend coupe could pass $43K loaded. That's quite a bit more than a CL today and doesn't even take into consideration inflation. If Acura had a $50K CL right now you can bet yer ass it would make the Legend look like a Civic in terms of style, performance and features. Can you say 340hp and 0-60 in mid 5's?? The CL is not Acura's flagship like the Legend was, the RL is supposed to be and hopefully will be again someday. It was never intended to "outdo" the Legend or replace it for that matter.


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2001 Acura 3.2CL Type S
Comptech Springs
Comptech Sway Bars
Comptech Headers
PIAA 19169

 

hmm...how bout for the 2005 Type S:
indy/F1 style gear shifting on the steering wheel?
Lexus has that right now, but I havn't tried it

a 40K Dreamcast hehe!



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- Kvit -
2001 CL=P Monterey Blue, Parchment interior
Polarg BlHybrid M-6 Road lamps
Polarg/PIAA super white interior lights *bling bling*
HP Quantum 28 -- 31% metallic tint all around
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=706725&f=0
Club Events Moderator

 

LOL, ok... this is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard.

Please educate as to what features, besides the obvious 6spd, the Legend had that the CL-S doesnt...

Then we will go through and name all the features the CL-S has that the Legend didnt.

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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
San Marino Red (Navigation)
PIAA 19173 Ion Yellow Fog Lights
Aftermarket Black Wood Trim Kit

 

I would prefer Ferrari/F1 style Paddles... like the M3 is getting. Excpet unlike ferrari... I want the paddles to rotate with the steering wheel.

The buttons on the steering wheel are harder to use then our shifter set-up...

Imagine those buttons were for the horn (except our horn is in the middle... but some cars have them where the Lex shifters are) and imagine you had to honk the horn while taking corners... crazy friggen difficult since your hands are nowhere near where those tiny ass buttons are.

Paddle are more efficient.



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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
San Marino Red (Navigation)
PIAA 19173 Ion Yellow Fog Lights
Aftermarket Black Wood Trim Kit

 

You guys are too funny ........ Can you guys even take critizism??? It's just an opinion!!! and even though I respect and love the CL-S' 260HP, IMO, the Legend has the looks and prestige..

I disagree, being that if Acura were to make a 2002 Legend, it would be produced in the states, which means a lower cost, maybe similiar to the RL???

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tann@808-'00 TL
non-Navi(Doesn't work in Hawaii)

Factory body kit & Wing, 19" Racing Hart C-5's, V-AFC,
Nitto 555's, NEX CoilOvers, CompTech Exhaust,
CompTech Headers, Inpire Taillights, NOS(50Shot),
AEM CAI, Alpine 8080, TL rear door handles in front,
5% + 30% tints,30% front windshield.
tann@pixi.com

[This message has been edited by Tann@808 (edited 03-12-2001).]

 

the thing lexus has is a joke.

i used it once, it sucked.

the car needs to have some massive power to make it fun.

No lexus has enough power to make it fun.
Actually Lexus's are pretty slow.
Their not really 0-60 type of cars.
But beaitufl none the less.

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2001 CL-S
Black/Black
Moonroof Visor
35% Tint All Around
Black Wood Dash Kit
Currently on TL rims with Nokian Winter Tires
My Bitch

 

Ya see...

There is this group of Legend enthusiasts out there... which I just dont understand.

What looks good about it? Nothing now-a-days if ya ask me... it looks old. Like it is.

What is prestigious about it? Nothing.

Its just another Acura...

Everybody and their mother owns a Legend...

Theres nothing cool about it... what makes it better then anything on the road today? Nothing because it isnt.

Im dont really care about defending the CL... screw it.

But I been holding my Legend criticism in for a long time.

There is absolutely nothing SPECIAL about a Legend.

It has a cool name... thats about it.

ANd it seems like everyone is afraid to say anything about it....... why?!?

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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
San Marino Red (Navigation)
PIAA 19173 Ion Yellow Fog Lights
Aftermarket Black Wood Trim Kit

 

Soopa,
Your right, why should you hold it in... it's your opinion and it counts like everyone else!!

About the looks.................... I guess I'm just OLD SCHOOL

I think they just take pride in there Acura, I know I do (In my TL) and I know you guys do (CL/CL-S)

Look at it this way, We (TL's) sometimes try to compare our cars with you guys (CL-S) I mean that why I tried to make my TL mad fast, to beat you guys (Go figure, the TL-S is coming out, after all my hard work
LOL, screw it.................

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tann@808-'00 TL
non-Navi(Doesn't work in Hawaii)

Factory body kit & Wing, 19" Racing Hart C-5's, V-AFC,
Nitto 555's, NEX CoilOvers, CompTech Exhaust,
CompTech Headers, Inpire Taillights, NOS(50Shot),
AEM CAI, Alpine 8080, TL rear door handles in front,
5% + 30% tints,30% front windshield.
tann@pixi.com

 

Heh, fair enough.

Either way... you and I have the pimp cars.

Not Legend owners.

Yea... they had a great car back in the day.

But its not even OLD SCHOOL... its like... I dunno. Just another outdated model.

And screw the TL-S. Its ugly.

The current TL's were my first loves because their bootiful. This new TL is ugly.

They could just put the CL-S tech on the current TL and been fine

Anyway Im rambling... and Im gonna have to close this thread cuz im an ass.

heh

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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
San Marino Red (Navigation)
PIAA 19173 Ion Yellow Fog Lights
Aftermarket Black Wood Trim Kit

 

the thread is still open.

haha i beat soopa to it!!

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2001 CL-S
Black/Black
Moonroof Visor
35% Tint All Around
Black Wood Dash Kit
Currently on TL rims with Nokian Winter Tires
My Bitch

 

I don't think I got the proper point across with this statement. I was trying to say that the Legend was ahead of its time when it was built. I was not trying to bash the TL's and CL's out there. I realize the Legend represents the Acura flagship of the year and was/is quite a bit more expensive than the CL-S. I think that 230HP out of a non-VTEC motor is pretty incredible and is something that has not really been surpassed until the CL-S and TL-S came out. Im glad Honda/Acura is starting to move in the right direction again with their cars, and as I stated above I will definately by from the family again. For me I just can't see a better value than a used G2 Legend w/ decent miles at around 15K. Peace.

 

Again, CL-S is a great car, I don't think anyone here, be it a Legend owner, or anyone else has really called it other then such. Aside from maybe a few stray posts. That being said, you keep saying people are misinformed. Let see, all the best published repots have the CL-S 0-60 at 6.4, and 1/4 mile at about 14.8 right? Now that is impressive no? I'm sure there are a few people running their stock CL-S in about 14.5 second range too, as I have read those feats right here on this board and those again are impressive. However, I have also read that CL-S owners are runing 15.2 on average also. Sure most of you call those guys weak divers, but that is just the average driver. I'm sure John Force could drive the CL-S to the 6.4, and 14.4 times all day. Now you say most people are mis informend, and that your CL-S walks away from Legends all day, or something like that. Well, I agree, it will pull away, and beat most Legends. However, the original topic that was posted from the Legend forums was how well a TYPE II 6-Speed could match to a CL-S. We all know that even the auto TYPE II 230 HP Legends would be edged out by a CL-S. Now given the published times for the TYPE II 6-Speed of 0-60 in 6.3, and 1/4 mile in 14.6, how can you say that these two cars are NOT extremely similar,if not almost identical in performance #s? Let see now, I;m sure a 6.4 second 0-60, and 14.8second 1/4 iles time would be walking aaway from a 6.3 0-60, and 14.9 second car right? Or could these two said cars be jsut what where were saying all along. A even match in perormance, and the driver of each car would determing who edges out who. If you are going to complain about mis information, then you shoud also get the info right in on the particular Legend in question. I don't know why it is, but I pull 6.7 0-60s, and 15.2 second 1/4 miles all day with a 6-Speed using an idle RMP launch technique. I'd say that is about even with the average CL-S 1/4 mile times. If I were to to a higher RPM launch, and lower my front tire pressure like I read many guys do, even CL-S owners, then I think I could manage a faster time too no? Now Soopa, I have followed your postining from the old H-A.net days, then to the acura-tl forums, and now here. I repect your voice all these years, but you are taking too much offence to topics that are not intended like that. Don't worry about the Legend owners who call the CL-S other then what you feel it is, just ignore them. Have conversation with the other members that know a bit more about both cars, and dont judge all Legend owners as "High abnd mighty know it alls"

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Chris K.

 

Fair enough Chris.

Im just going by personal experience... maybe my friends just cant drive for shit.

I dont know.

But I also dont know what the guys on the legend forum are saying about "walking away from the CLS on the high-end"

just sounds nuts to me.

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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
San Marino Red (Navigation)
PIAA 19173 Ion Yellow Fog Lights
Aftermarket Black Wood Trim Kit

 

Well, again not starting a war here but the Legend does have a few things that are nothing more then luxury uneeded features that they left out in the CL-S.

1. Automatic door closers. You don't have to close your door all the way, just enough to latch, then the motor pulls the door in shut by itself.

2. The rear 1/4 pannel wondows in the Legends Coupes roll down just like the Lexus, and Mercedes.

3. Automatic Electronic Tilt & Telescoping Steering wheel tired to the 2 button memeory seat feature. In this case, the steering wheel is ajusted electronically in any possition. The can be set with the 2 button memeory seats, so each diffeernt driver gets not only his seating possition, but steerign wheel possition as well. Also, when you pull the key out of the ignition, the steering wheel will retract to its shollowest depth, and raide to its highest posssition to allow your legs room to exit. When you re-enter the car, and stick the key back into the ignition, it will go back to the preset possition.

4. It has a 8 speaker 200W BOSE system. (Not saying that is is anything speacial, as it it not, and really sucks IMHO)

Now what I know the Cl-S has that the Legend does not is this.

1. 17" rims. That is a nice though

2. Right side mirrors tilt down in revers. Again nice touch

3. Auto dimming mirrors. Nice, but I never ever used it at all in other cars that have it, so I don't miss that feature.

4.260 HP. ow that everyone wants.

5.Navigation. Thi sis true, but the Legend Coupe also had navigation, only not in the states. Too bad. But Navigation did not com to the states in Acura until 99, so that is expected. ALSO, and this is a big one. Navigation equiped Acuras are not sold in Hawaii, in any Acura car. Not the RL, CL, or TL, so tht is really not missed at all for me. Although it still is a nice feature.

6. Side iar bags.

7. I'm sure there are other little neat features

Anyway, That is all part of technology.




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Chris K.

 

Hey, its all cool I think peoples term of walking away is reletive. You have Civic Si guys saying they walked away from a GS-R, but when you say how close, then say about 1/2- 1 car length. That is not walking away right? :rooleyes: I think what Legend owners meant was that on the high end, if you have to go into 4 th gear, or even 5th, the gear ratio of the Legend 4th, 5th, and 6th ger is shorter, and makes acceleration a bit easier why up there. Now very few of us have actually gooten past teh 150 MPH top speed rating of both are cars, so that is still speculative.


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Chris K.

 

a telescoping wheel would be nice.

and the quarter windows that open would be sweet...

I gotta see that. I thought bimmers were cool cuz they slanted open.

On the other hand... I couldnt live without all the nice touches on the CL-S. ESPECIALLY the Auto Dimming mirrors...

And I couldnt live with the cheap feeling interior on the Legend. Though it is mighty roomy.

But... I guess thats why the legend is no longer the Legend.

Maybe the next RL will be pimp like the Legend was in its day. And maybe Acura will make a high-end coupe again like the Benz CL... we can only dream i guess.

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2001 Acura 3.2 CL Type-S
San Marino Red (Navigation)
PIAA 19173 Ion Yellow Fog Lights
Aftermarket Black Wood Trim Kit