can u install comptech headers on a cl-p? will i get the same horsepower gain if i do?

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17 Yr Old Owner of a Silver CL-P, w/ spoiler, wood trim kit, Silver painted mud guards, polarg M6, acura-cl.com sticker, aftermarket wood trim kit and new rims soon

 

I believe you can. I think these headers work on all J series V6 engines (CL-P, CL-S, TL-P, TL-S, Accord V6) I don't think the hp gain would be identical for each engine but it should be somewhat close. You can probably find dynos on the acura-tl.com about what it can do for the TL/CL-P engine.

 

Im fairly sure headers were giving TL owners 30hp +/-


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Nawww youre pulling my chain...
I heard like ~17 a while ago back in the days of the united A-TL/CL forum

Hmm..lemme go check..


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[This message has been edited by KavexTrax (edited 05-06-2001).]

 

ok here is the Comptech Dyno:
http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dyno/1999TLplot.pdf

It's from the '99 TL shouldn't be too much of a difference

And yes the Comptech headers for the CL-S
do fit the CL-P (also all TL/CL part numbers are the same);
I checked with them by email a while ago.



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- Kvit -
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• Polarg BlHybrid M-6 Road lamps
• Polarg/PIAA super white interior lights *bling bling*
• HP Quantum 28 -- 31% metallic tint all around
• [Photopoint Album]

 

theres a huge diff accord 34+/cl-s 32+/cl-p/tl 18+

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Ok thats like the most discouraging thing. ANy idea why the CLP gets like HALF the gains of the CLS and accords? I mean they are using the exact same headers too... What the heck does the otheres car pack in order to get that much?

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maybe the higher compression maybe bigger throttle body im not sure but it does seem an expensive mod for 18hp cai is a much better value there

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'01 3.2 CL typeS
satin silver metalic
Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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'98 ACCORD V-6 sedan
16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

 

Yea that is true, i like my CAI but i think the CAI has proven to be 8 hp for the CLS but im willing to be its only like 5 for the CLP or something. I really wish there was a way to at least mod teh CLP into the CLS. No clue waht the difference is.

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Tan/Black
Neuspeed Strut Bar
Diamond Nicrome Limo Mirror Tint
Undetectable K40 w/t Diffuser
Kicker 12" Competition
Cleared Headlights
Custom Int/Ext Lights
Comptech Sway Bars
AEM CAI w/t Bypass Valve
Eibach Pro Kit
Denso Iridium Spark Plugs

 

CL-S over CL-P

- advanced 2-stage intake manifold uses advanced technology to provide the cumbustion chamber with a larger dose of air/fuel mixture during the intake stroke, this higher efficiency produces more torque at low and medium engine speeds for better off-the-line response and greater power at high engine speeds for better responce when passing
- higher compression ratio 10.5:1 vs 9.8:1
- larger exhaust system
- newly developed spin-casting cylinder-liner technique enhances engine durability and also reduces weight to promote greater overall efficiency
- horsepower 260 vs 225
- torque 232(@3500-5500) vs 216(@4700)
- sport seats with perforated-leather reduces weight and reduces sweat buildup so you don't slide in the seat during high-g turns
- 17" wheels, increases turning diameter from 37.4' to 39.4'
- Wider, lower profile, more aggressive 215/50 R17 93V all-season tires

The type-s engine just breathes better, so any increase to less restrictive intake or exhaust benefits it more.



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what accord gets 30+ gains?
Can anyone point me to some accord dyno graphs then?

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- Kvit -
2001 CL-P Monterey Blue, Parchment interior
• Polarg BlHybrid M-6 Road lamps
• Polarg/PIAA super white interior lights *bling bling*
• HP Quantum 28 -- 31% metallic tint all around
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[This message has been edited by KavexTrax (edited 05-07-2001).]

 

comptechusa... http://www.comptechusa.com/images/dy...Headerplot.pdf


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Llumar platinum plus
tint 20% all around

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16" coupe wheels
215/55/16 nitto's
20% smoke titanium
black chrome kit

[This message has been edited by typeR (edited 05-07-2001).]

 

OMG! 196 horses peaking at 5.8K rpms


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- Kvit -
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• Polarg BlHybrid M-6 Road lamps
• Polarg/PIAA super white interior lights *bling bling*
• HP Quantum 28 -- 31% metallic tint all around
• [Photopoint Album Pics]

 

I remember reading a post from Mike B @ Comptech on the comptech forum that the CL or CL-P; as you prefer to call it, has a different position for the catalytic converter, and therefore the CL Type S, TL, and Accord v6 headers will not work for it. But they do provide them with their own headers so it's not like you can't get them, it's just that the downpipe/y-pipe I believe is different. Check with Mike B. at http://www.comptechusa.com for direct answers.

As for the 30+ hp gains on the Accord v6, very little Accord v6'ers have been able to produce those types of results. Samecraig, DVTurk, Alicia, and Dyno D all in the 189-196 range. The rest of us have seen peak hp gains around 173-179 hp, including me at 177.1 hp. Don't know what the reasons are. We all have i/h/e, although DVTurk did have the Jacobs igntion upgrade (it's a 98) and a random tech cat. Still no conclusive answers as to what the problem is. But I mention this because some might be fretting over the j30a1 gains when in reality the majority of v6'ers that have the headers simply aren't getting these kind of gains, so don't worry about us getting better gains than the CL-P or TL owners.

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1999 TW Accord EX v6 Cpe
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I'm also surprised none of you are interested or evidently heard of the UNICHIP piggyback computer, formerly known as "The Program", by the Racers Group up at Sears Point, N. Cali.

One of our residential V6'ers had his tuned and dyno'd directly there and benefited from a 39 ft/lbs gain at 2000 rpms, from 134 to 173. If we can see those types of gain, you guys should really see some gains too, especially with the 3.5 liter upgrade. These computers are used with AMLS Porsches, so don't get it twisted, this the real deal here.

You can see the direct link to our sticky thread about it here:

http://www.superhonda.org/board/show...&threadid=3137

 

what's the real gains from the comptech headers for the accord? comptech catalog says at 6200rpm it is 35, but some of my friends gained about +/-17? is that the same with you?


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'01 cl-s blk/blk :: comptech headers, comptech springs, comptech sway bars

 

Do consider that the "gains" for the header are primarily in the 5K-7K RPM range. This is where the CL-S parts ways with the CL-P. The CL-P is rumored to have the same cam as the 3.5L MDX (a little birdy told me). The headers and CAI wont do much if you can already suck in air without too much resistance.

Example:

If you try to drink you Pepsi through a 1/2" straw, do you really notice a difference with a 1" straw?

On the other hand, if you hook up a pump to drain your pool, don't you think that a 1" or 2" hose would remove water much quicker with a big nasty pump.

The CL-P was not given the same nasty cam and airflow at 5000-7000 rpm that the CL-S gets. So, unless the P has a terrible stuffed-up muffler and cat, I would never think you would get the gain the -S would.

There is a point where actually increasing the size of the intake pipe and exhaust will lower velocity and hurt:

1. Intake ram charging (natural ram effect)
2. Exhaust extraction (exhaust pulses help pull the stagnant fumes out of cylinders).

BTW -- as to note 1, I'm not talking about the "IMRC" stuff -- which involves constant volume resonant air supercharging. Air intake volume stays the same, but the volume is partitioned differently (between cylinder banks) depending on engine speed.


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[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 05-08-2001).]