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Pay it in full and on time, hope for partial refund.
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52.17%
Pay it in full and on time, NO hope for partial refund.
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21.74%
Pay it on a no-interest credit card
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4.35%
Roll dice, wait until Arnold is in, then pay w/ late fees.
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17.39%
Don't know
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CA 3x registration fees--strategy.
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CA 3x registration fees--strategy.
So what the hell is one to do when one has a $415 license reg. fee due 11/9/03
and Arnold is suppose to step into office in mid-November?!?!
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But even if I pay it on time and then Arnold repeals Ghey Davis' 3x fees, does that mean I'll get my money back or does that mean I won't because the repeal will be effective from that date forward?
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Or should I put this on a credit card and see what happens when Arnold is sworn in?
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and Arnold is suppose to step into office in mid-November?!?!
Schwarzenegger will assume the governorship when the Secretary of State has certified the election result. Under state law this process cannot be completed later than November 15. If there are no legal challenges then the new governor will be sworn in no later than November 16.
But even if I pay it on time and then Arnold repeals Ghey Davis' 3x fees, does that mean I'll get my money back or does that mean I won't because the repeal will be effective from that date forward?
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Or should I put this on a credit card and see what happens when Arnold is sworn in?
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I have the link at work, but there is a form you can send into the dmv with your reg, saying you feel its illegal and when it get overturned you want a partial refund.
Thats what ill be doing.
Thats what ill be doing.
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http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/n...cartax_a1.html
Death to the 3x Registration Fee INFIDELS!!! :angry:
Death to the 3x Registration Fee INFIDELS!!! :angry:
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Originally posted by sarlacc23
I have the link at work, but there is a form you can send into the dmv with your reg, saying you feel its illegal and when it get overturned you want a partial refund.
Thats what ill be doing.
I have the link at work, but there is a form you can send into the dmv with your reg, saying you feel its illegal and when it get overturned you want a partial refund.
Thats what ill be doing.
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Ill be back at work tuesday, keep bumping this up so i'll remember when i see it.
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Signed a Petition to revoke the DMV fee increase in front of our local Home Depot today. Their thought is to get it on a ballot initiative in case Arnold can't make the change.
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Am I making a big assumption, that when Arnold steps into office, he will make the change immediately?
Am I making a big assumption, that when Arnold steps into office, he will make the change immediately?
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Originally posted by mt6forlife
Yes. Very big. There's a lot of people saying that he won't have the authority to roll it back. So if he does, you can expect the Dems in the legislature, the ACLU, and the NAACP to file a lawsuit. Jesse Jackson will march on Sacramento calling the reduction of the tax a racist attack on people of color. (Isn't that what always happens when you take money away from government?)
Yes. Very big. There's a lot of people saying that he won't have the authority to roll it back. So if he does, you can expect the Dems in the legislature, the ACLU, and the NAACP to file a lawsuit. Jesse Jackson will march on Sacramento calling the reduction of the tax a racist attack on people of color. (Isn't that what always happens when you take money away from government?)
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Because of the damage from the wildfires in southern California some people are saying Arnold has a perfect excuse not to repeal the fee increase now. I bet it stays high, unfortunately.......
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it was my understanding that the fees we paid over the past few years were lower than normal because people paid too much before then. therefore the decrease was to reduce the surplus created from the overpayments. i beleive that is why in the past few years you noticed a line that read "vlf offset."
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Originally posted by DRM600
it was my understanding that the fees we paid over the past few years were lower than normal because people paid too much before then. therefore the decrease was to reduce the surplus created from the overpayments. i beleive that is why in the past few years you noticed a line that read "vlf offset."
it was my understanding that the fees we paid over the past few years were lower than normal because people paid too much before then. therefore the decrease was to reduce the surplus created from the overpayments. i beleive that is why in the past few years you noticed a line that read "vlf offset."
Lower than normal but still ass rape compared to most other states. Greedy politicians, get your damn hands off my money!
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Hey guys,
Sorry i totally forgot I said i'd do this, but here is the link to download the form to send to the DMV when you register.
http://campbellforsenate.com/read_news.php?id=9
Sorry i totally forgot I said i'd do this, but here is the link to download the form to send to the DMV when you register.
http://campbellforsenate.com/read_news.php?id=9
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Bump for all the cali bros.
And you're welcome btw :P
And you're welcome btw :P
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yea man i posted the link already, thanks for the tip. Just want to clarify that the refund form should be sent here:
DMV
PO Box 942869
Mail Station A235
Sacramento, CA 94269-0001
*I.e. Do not include the refund form with your vehicle registration renewal.
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PO Box 942869
Mail Station A235
Sacramento, CA 94269-0001
*I.e. Do not include the refund form with your vehicle registration renewal.
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DRM is correct. The registration fee was around $400 for a new TL/CL, then we had that "SURPLUS" and they lowered the registration from $400 to about $200. Now that they raised it back up...it's not really that bad.
But pay the new amount...and if Arnold does keep his promise and lower the reg. fee. then the ppl who paid SHOULD get a refund
But pay the new amount...and if Arnold does keep his promise and lower the reg. fee. then the ppl who paid SHOULD get a refund
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partial Victory:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...ger/index.html
refunds are promised as of today.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...ger/index.html
refunds are promised as of today.
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My fingers are crossed. Hopefully there isn't any road blocks for the refund. Check out our registration bill for our '03 MDX. My CL was $748. Sucks real bad to live in CA sometimes.
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If you already paid, you get a refund in early '04. If you haven't paid yet, you can take approx 2/3 off of your bill when you send it in. Mine is due in 1/04, and I waited to pay it, so now I can just pay the lower rate!
Check it out at: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/
Check it out at: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/
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Vehicle License Fee Notice
Governor Schwarzenegger has signed Executive Order S-1-03 rescinding the Vehicle License Fee (VLF) increase that went into effect October 1, 2003.
Customers who have paid the full amount will automatically receive a refund by mail beginning in early 2004.
Customers who have not already paid their registration renewal may calculate their lower fees by taking the VLF line from the billing notice multiply it by .675 and subtract that amount from the total fees due. Round this figure to the nearest whole dollar.
Submit the new amount by mail to the address on your billing notice or:
P.O. Box 942885
Sacramento, Ca 94285-0001
At this time, the reduced registration amount can only be accepted by mail.
Please remember to pay your registration on time to avoid penalties.
Governor Schwarzenegger has signed Executive Order S-1-03 rescinding the Vehicle License Fee (VLF) increase that went into effect October 1, 2003.
Customers who have paid the full amount will automatically receive a refund by mail beginning in early 2004.
Customers who have not already paid their registration renewal may calculate their lower fees by taking the VLF line from the billing notice multiply it by .675 and subtract that amount from the total fees due. Round this figure to the nearest whole dollar.
Submit the new amount by mail to the address on your billing notice or:
P.O. Box 942885
Sacramento, Ca 94285-0001
At this time, the reduced registration amount can only be accepted by mail.
Please remember to pay your registration on time to avoid penalties.
EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT
STATE OF CALIFORNIA
EXECUTIVE ORDER S-1-03
by the
Governor of the State of California
Whereas, California has relied upon a motor vehicle tax in the form of a license fee as a substitute for ad valorem property taxes upon motor vehicles since 1935;
Whereas, at the time it was instituted, the motor vehicle tax was 1.75% of a vehicle's current value;
Whereas, in 1948 the motor vehicle tax was raised to 2% of a vehicle's current value;
Whereas, the revenue from the motor vehicle tax fees is distributed to cities and counties to fund operations of local government;
Whereas, in the years 1981 through 1983, the legislature reduced the amount of motor vehicle tax revenues to be distributed to local governments by approximately $700 million;
Whereas, Proposition 47 was passed by the voters in 1986 to provide that all motor vehicle tax revenues, less the cost of collecting the tax, must be allocated to cities and counties;
Whereas, in 1998, in order to permanently relieve California taxpayers from paying the full tax burden imposed by motor vehicle taxes, section 10754 was added to the Revenue and Taxation Code to allow for an offset against monies that would otherwise be collected by the motor vehicle tax;
Whereas, in 1998, in order to make up any shortfall in the amounts payable to local governments on account of the offset under Revenue and Taxation Code section 10754, section 11000 was added to the Revenue and Taxation Code to require transfers from the General Fund as successor tax revenues to the motor vehicle tax;
Whereas, section 10754 of the Revenue and Taxation Code also provides that during any period in which it is determined that insufficient monies are available to be transferred from the General Fund to fully fund the offsets, the amount of the offsets may be reduced;
Whereas, pursuant to such a determination, on June 20, 2003, the Director of Finance acted to raise the car tax, reinstate the full vehicle license fee, eliminate the offset and relieve the General Fund of the obligation to fully fund the offset;
Whereas, the Department of Finance has general powers of supervision over all matters concerning the financial and business policies of the State and at the instance of the Governor, shall institute or cause the institution of such investigations and proceedings as it deems proper to conserve the rights and interests of the State;
Whereas, because at the time the offset was eliminated, the Director of Finance did not provide priority for the vehicle license fee offset over other state obligations of equal legal entitlement, and did not take into account funds available to the state through borrowing, the Director's determination was in error, not a reasonable interpretation of the statute and the circumstances required by section 10754 were not met;
Whereas, it is in the interest of all Californians to control government spending and avoid unnecessary taxation;
Whereas, raising the car tax should only be a measure of last resort to relieve the General Fund of the responsibility for payments to local government when absolutely necessary due to dire economic and budgetary conditions;
Whereas, due consideration of the priority and importance of the obligation of the General Fund to offset the vehicle license fee will avoid the unnecessary taxation of Californians, restrict unnecessary government spending and help restore California to fiscal integrity and accountability, the offset to the vehicle license fee should be restored, and the offset should be funded through an appropriation from the General Fund.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, Governor of the State of California, by virtue of the power and authority vested in me by the Constitution and statutes of the State of California, do hereby issue this order to become effective immediately:
1. The letter issued by the Director of Finance on June 20, 2003, to reinstate the full vehicle license fee and eliminate the offset from the State General Fund is rescinded and shall be of no force and effect;
2. The Department of Motor Vehicles shall reinstate the General Fund offset to the vehicle license fee provided in Revenue and Taxation Code section 10754 (a)(3)(A) as soon as administratively feasible;
3. The Department of Motor Vehicles is directed to refund to taxpayers all overpayments of vehicle license fees paid since the Director of Finance's letter of June 20, 2003, in excess of the amounts due after taking into account the offset provided by Revenue and Taxation Code section 10754(a)(3)(A).
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Department of Motor Vehicles take any and all steps necessary to fully effectuate this order. Additionally, in carrying out the directives set forth in this order, all executive departments and agencies are directed to assist the Department of Motor Vehicles to the extent permitted by law.
This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity, against the State of California, its departments, agencies, or other entities, its officers or employees, or any other person.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Great Seal of the State of California to be affixed this the seventeenth day of November 2003.
/s/ Arnold Schwarzenegger
Governor of California
STATE OF CALIFORNIA
EXECUTIVE ORDER S-1-03
by the
Governor of the State of California
Whereas, California has relied upon a motor vehicle tax in the form of a license fee as a substitute for ad valorem property taxes upon motor vehicles since 1935;
Whereas, at the time it was instituted, the motor vehicle tax was 1.75% of a vehicle's current value;
Whereas, in 1948 the motor vehicle tax was raised to 2% of a vehicle's current value;
Whereas, the revenue from the motor vehicle tax fees is distributed to cities and counties to fund operations of local government;
Whereas, in the years 1981 through 1983, the legislature reduced the amount of motor vehicle tax revenues to be distributed to local governments by approximately $700 million;
Whereas, Proposition 47 was passed by the voters in 1986 to provide that all motor vehicle tax revenues, less the cost of collecting the tax, must be allocated to cities and counties;
Whereas, in 1998, in order to permanently relieve California taxpayers from paying the full tax burden imposed by motor vehicle taxes, section 10754 was added to the Revenue and Taxation Code to allow for an offset against monies that would otherwise be collected by the motor vehicle tax;
Whereas, in 1998, in order to make up any shortfall in the amounts payable to local governments on account of the offset under Revenue and Taxation Code section 10754, section 11000 was added to the Revenue and Taxation Code to require transfers from the General Fund as successor tax revenues to the motor vehicle tax;
Whereas, section 10754 of the Revenue and Taxation Code also provides that during any period in which it is determined that insufficient monies are available to be transferred from the General Fund to fully fund the offsets, the amount of the offsets may be reduced;
Whereas, pursuant to such a determination, on June 20, 2003, the Director of Finance acted to raise the car tax, reinstate the full vehicle license fee, eliminate the offset and relieve the General Fund of the obligation to fully fund the offset;
Whereas, the Department of Finance has general powers of supervision over all matters concerning the financial and business policies of the State and at the instance of the Governor, shall institute or cause the institution of such investigations and proceedings as it deems proper to conserve the rights and interests of the State;
Whereas, because at the time the offset was eliminated, the Director of Finance did not provide priority for the vehicle license fee offset over other state obligations of equal legal entitlement, and did not take into account funds available to the state through borrowing, the Director's determination was in error, not a reasonable interpretation of the statute and the circumstances required by section 10754 were not met;
Whereas, it is in the interest of all Californians to control government spending and avoid unnecessary taxation;
Whereas, raising the car tax should only be a measure of last resort to relieve the General Fund of the responsibility for payments to local government when absolutely necessary due to dire economic and budgetary conditions;
Whereas, due consideration of the priority and importance of the obligation of the General Fund to offset the vehicle license fee will avoid the unnecessary taxation of Californians, restrict unnecessary government spending and help restore California to fiscal integrity and accountability, the offset to the vehicle license fee should be restored, and the offset should be funded through an appropriation from the General Fund.
NOW, THEREFORE, I, ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, Governor of the State of California, by virtue of the power and authority vested in me by the Constitution and statutes of the State of California, do hereby issue this order to become effective immediately:
1. The letter issued by the Director of Finance on June 20, 2003, to reinstate the full vehicle license fee and eliminate the offset from the State General Fund is rescinded and shall be of no force and effect;
2. The Department of Motor Vehicles shall reinstate the General Fund offset to the vehicle license fee provided in Revenue and Taxation Code section 10754 (a)(3)(A) as soon as administratively feasible;
3. The Department of Motor Vehicles is directed to refund to taxpayers all overpayments of vehicle license fees paid since the Director of Finance's letter of June 20, 2003, in excess of the amounts due after taking into account the offset provided by Revenue and Taxation Code section 10754(a)(3)(A).
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Department of Motor Vehicles take any and all steps necessary to fully effectuate this order. Additionally, in carrying out the directives set forth in this order, all executive departments and agencies are directed to assist the Department of Motor Vehicles to the extent permitted by law.
This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity, against the State of California, its departments, agencies, or other entities, its officers or employees, or any other person.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Great Seal of the State of California to be affixed this the seventeenth day of November 2003.
/s/ Arnold Schwarzenegger
Governor of California
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