i finally got to race a car to compare mine to... i was drivin down the highway and i see a '01 Bullitt with 2 kids in it,they slowed down and i slowed down then he guns it from a 30 mph roll and i take off, i pull about 1 1/2- 2 car lengths to 90mph...their faces were hilarious, they couldnt believe it...his car was stock so it might not sound like too amazing of a kill, but oh well.

 

haha bullit's are a joke, good shit man....

 

im not sure ther is an '01 bullit,but i could easily be wrong...is the purple stuf a ZEX kit?

 

Nice kill.

 

yes bullitts were sold in 2001... and yes the purple stuff is a 75 shot.

 

Racing a stock Bullitt vs stock Cl-S 6-spd... I'd take the stock Bullitt any day of the week. And a stock Bullitt vs stock CL 3.0L? Try it next time without your 75 shot if you think the 3.0L is so tough...

 

numbaonestunna --

Just how fast do you think the Bullitt is? It's 98% cosmetic changes over a regular GT, with 5 extra horses.

Stock GT/Bullitt 5-speed vs. stock CL-S 6-speed is going to be a very close race.

I'm trying to get one of my fraternity brothers to race me in his '02 Mustang GT convertible. I'm pretty sure I can take a vert GT.

 

As I've mentioned like 1000 times here, I have run a 13.9 on a bone stock 2000 GT 5 speed. How many stock CL-Ss have done that (or modded NA for that matter)?

I've seen Bullitts go mid 13s bone stock...

Can you beat your frat brother's GT? Sure, but you'll have to outdrive him.

/flame suit on

 

not starting another flame war, but pull just because you ran your bone stock gt 13.9, doesn't mean everyone else can. If you haven't noticed most people on the road today can't drive normally let alone race

 

I agree. The big change is the dual throttle body, which helps it breathe better up high. Even though it's only 5 extra horses, the torque/hp curve is better... but that being said, yeah, I think the CL-typeS and the Bullitt are in the same class (read within 0.5 seconds of each other) But that being said, a capable driver in the RWD Bullitt with over 300 fly wheel torque vs the wrong wheel drive CL Type S should beat it 9 times out of 10... Especially if you have two mediocre drivers, the Buillitt should win 9 times out of 10. Don't tell me you think the wrong wheel drive CL is easier to launch!

Oh yeah, speaking of which... I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. Or at least let someone show me I'm wrong. DarrinB, where you at? Weather is warming up, we should be good for a run @ Milan soon. When you wanna roll? I'll bring a stock GT (has exhaust, but that's worthless) vs your CL-S with Headers... should be a good run.

 

Right, there's a lot of guys with enough lack of skill to drive them to 14.5s and 14.6s, just like there's lots of guys that run CLSs to 15.3s and 15.4s...I guess it's only when the driver matchup goes the way of the CL driver that the posts make it on here though...then again, some claim that they've beaten dozens of them with nary a loss like Zootking

Again...CAN they be beaten..sure, but are they "a joke" or could a CLS take one "any day of the week"? that's my whole point, I guess... I know I drive a stang, but it's more my perspective as a racer talking here rather than defending the Ford banner. I'd call BS on a guy in a Stang who claims he toasts Vettes all day long when he clearly can't. I just happen to have more knowledge about what one can do in Stangs rather than imports.

And that GT wasn't mine, it was a buddy's and I had never been behind the wheel of it until that pass

 

flame war a startin'

 

I didn't say the Bullitt was a joke compared to the TL-S/CL-S.

All I'm saying is that it would be a good race, and the GT/Bullitt is not invincible.

If you got a 13.9 out of a bone stock Bullitt, then I must give you props for it, because you are a pretty good driver. 4 out of 5 GT/Bullitt's run low- to mid-14's.

As soon as the weather gets better and the tracks open, I plan to go to the track around here and test out of my TL-S. By then, I should have about 5,000 miles on her, and fully broken-in.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying GT's are slow. But they are slowER than its competitors. I will take a Trans Am WS6 over a GT any day. What can I say? I'm biased towards GM.

 

My best friend has a 2001 auto mustang GT. It is always really close but I can usually take him by 2 cars to 90 no problem unless he launches great and I blow it.

 

In a CLS? Sorry I gotta call BS. I love the CLS, but unless you have the new 6 speed I highly doubt that you are beating a rwd sports car by 2 car lengths, expecially when the stangs have that much torque.

 

Beating an AUTO Mustang GT with an AUTO CL Type S is not that hard to believe. Besides if flint isn't stock it makes it all the more believable.

 

I'm just waiting for a CL that wants to run me

 

Are we talking straight line CL v Swift????

 

My thoughts exactly, otherwise i'll save myself the gas.

 

Nitrous is what he has and that is how he won the race (obviously). He didnt say anything about his cl being tough so quit the shit.

 

Maybe Auto CL-S vs Mustang GT Vert... but Auto GT Coupe vs Auto CL-S? I think the GT Coupe would win... 4/5 times.

 

It;s all driver dependent, put me behind the wheel of any 99+ GT and I'll beat any bolt-on CL.

 

Does the Comptech SC count as a bolt-on...

 

Sure, if the Vortech for the Stang does.... =)

 

Pull_T did say ANY 99+ GT so I assumed that included a stock one. But in the interest of sportsmanship the blown GT would be included although the outcome would be different.

However, in taking this further and in fairness a comparison is needed in order to remove the blown GT's from this comparison. The GT has 4.6L displacement whereas the CL-S has 3.2L. But with the blower, and running the higher boost pulley, the CL-S has an effective displacement of about 4.4 liters which makes it a closer match.

Now the CL-S with a blower will cost considerably more so in order to even the cost we will have to remove the CL seats and replace them with a burlap covered bench seat from a '76 Ford pick-up. That should degrade the value of the CL equal to that of the Mustang all while retaining similar seating surfaces between the two...

:P :P

 

do ford bench's come with a heating option? If so that would move the ford up in status as a luxury sports car.

 

i'd take that bet

 

I'm next in line!

 

By "bolt on", I meant NA and sotck motored...the usual meaning, at least where I am from.

I am pretty confident I can get very near 14 flat with even an auto vert and I have not seen any NA CLSs running 13s (except typeR with his 3.5 conversion).

 

Just FYI, I was joking around as I find any comparison to be pointless...

A stock auto vert running a 14 flat?? That would be an achievement. Must be running below sea level near the artic circle... :P BTW, again, just a joke.

allmotor_2000 managed to lay down a 13.9 with just headers and the intake resonator removed. Had I gotten to the track another time before installing the blower a 14 flat could have been possible. But I would say that this is not the mean. A 14.1 - 14.2 would be the average with a decent launch with the bolt-ons available.

 

Yeah, 14 flat would be tough for an auto vert, but I have seen it done, 13.9 actually. Seems that the range is pretty equal to a bolton CLS...13.9 being the best under the best conditions and 14.1-14.2 being the norm well driven.

Like I said in a previous post, just trying to give an idea of what they run as it's funny when people compare the worst Mustang drivers with the best CL drivers and then infer they "should" win.

Oh well.

 

why aren't we seeing people running these numbers then?

very few and far between.


I guess experience and preparation is key

 

Hey if the 2001 auto GT has 260 HP and a 99 has 225 I would be up for that. Maybe something isn't right with my buddy's car but he cannot keep up. He also can't keep up on the top end. After 130mph it is all me. He openly admits it and it pisses him off.

 

What's that saying...oh yeah, "A kill is a kill."

I mean, a Bullitt is a modified Rustang GT, extensively modified too. So how is it "unfair" that a modified 1st Gen CL beats it?? If you want him race w/o the nitrous. Then have the Bullitt run on six-cyls.....???

 

UMMMM...not trying to be rude but you just stuck your own foot in your mouth, "...stock Bullitt...."?? Zero logic! What is a Bullitt suppose to be...definitely not a stock Rustang GT?! It's a wanna-be tough, recreation of the has been fastback. So if the Bullitt wants to roll on the streets as a GT on steroids, then how you gonna tell the CL's to roll stock, especially if the Bullitt is not stock????

 

You sir, are putting your foot in your mouth. A Bullitt is not "extensively" different from a regular GT. Non-cosmetic items are brakes, suspension, VERY mild underdrive pullies and a revised intake. 5-10 hp and 5-10 tq gains on the dyno over a GT.

AS far not understanding that a Bullitt can be "stock", you;re just a fucking idiot. Don;t get involved in a month old thread and then speak out of your ass about cars you are unfamiliar with.

 

Ok, perhaps I don't know the particulars of the Bullitt. But it is NOT a stock GT, or is it? I'm trying to break this down in lemen's terms and create an anology.

So if a stock GT goes up against a stock CL, that's one thing. But then you step it up to a Bullitt...and the CL's are suppose to stay stock? Not to mention the entirely different class of motor outputs. If a V8 modified hot-rod wants to pick on a V6 import....and gets spanked cause the V6 is tuned, don't whine about it and say, "I would of beat you if you ran stock."

 

I am telling you, I am not sure which year the Mustang GT went to 260hp (I think the Bullitt is 265) but they are not that fast when compared to our cars. before the HP increase (previously 225 or 215 depending on year) they were actually not much to brag about especially when they were auto.

 

and vice versa, put put me behind the wheel of a auto cls and i'll beat any auto stang stock for stock!>;]

 

For the V8s since the 5.0:

96-97 GT - 215hp
98 GT - 225hp
99-03 GT - 260hp
01 Bullitt - 265hp
00 Cobra R - 385hp
96-98 Cobra - 305hp
99, 01 Cobra - 320hp
03 Cobra - 390hp
03 Mach 1 - 320hp

You are very correct in that the pre 99 GTs are not all that great. I would definitely pilot a stock CLS over a stock 96 GT if I wanted to win the race