peiqinglong

What kind of oil filter do u guys use and why? Also where could I purchase it?

juniorbean

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I use the Amsoil filters. Can't remember where I got them from... somewhere online.... I'll have to find the invoice.

NSXNEXT

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www.amsoil.com

Wix also makes very good filters.

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

Hmm, didn't think to give him the link right to their site. That's not who I used though.. and I'm drawing a blank....

lou_RENAMED

Acura filter is best compared to all the others last time i checked

juniorbean

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What info are you using to base this comment on?

Nashua_Night_Hawk

get Purolator Pure PL14459 or PL 24458.

lou_RENAMED

independent testing of all the top oil filters as well as the cheaper ones. there is one of the cheaper ones that performed the same as stock which was the same as mobil1....I think it might be Purolator. anyways the only difference between all the filters is the stock filter had an easier open and shut valve which was determined helped in its circulation and filtration. I heard Acura has even made the filter even smaller ???Why do you think they know the engine better than all the others??? It is a $30K car I would guess they know the 3.2 engine well enough to design the best oil filter..the other problem was that the stock filter got used up pretty fast and needed replacing...but who cares most people change their oil every 3500K with synthetic motor oil.

synthetic motor oil is different cause its has better thermal breakdown but even that is debatable if you change it every 3500K

if you change the oil every 10K miles than use filters with better longer lasting filter element so it wont congest as quick. but remember just by using synthetic oil you're already experiencing less engine wear because of tis advanced lubrication properties

you dont believe look it up..

lou

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

I believe you ... but most people who use synthetic go longer then 3500 miles, me included, which is why I don't use Acura filters.

Also, there was a guy on the TL board... forget his name... but he ran a ton of tests on this stuff (he was a genious... like the Scalbert of the TL board) and the best filters at the time were Amsoil/Hastings, Mobil1, and I forget the other one (may have been Wix)... anyway, point was the Acura, Purolator, and other less expensive filters weren't even mentioned....

fender4

Here's a link ,, kinda out of date,, but the basics are the same,, filters are quite different and yes there are better ones,, Also I use my syn oil for 10k but I change the filter every 5k,, even amsoil recommends 5k, six month filter changes,, there are two stage filter systems that last a lot longer.

http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml
http://www.amsoil.com/products/bf.html

bobbydoedoedoe

i read soemwhere on thsi forum thjat acura filters are Fram filters, and from past expericne, fram=pos

louisn

My service advisor begs me not to use anything but honda oil filters. He said to buy them at them at the Honda dealer since I live 75 miles from the Acura dealer and have an independent shop install it. Since he had no vested interested in selling the filter, I tend to believe him. Why would Honda risk engine damage over a $5 filter???

musclehead

Unless you're racing or driving your car really hard on a daily basis, then OEM filters work fine! I've always used OEM filters when I had my Integra, TL, and now my CL with Amsoil synthetic. Runs great, smooth, and clean.

sgmotoring

Current OEM filter is good for 20K miles on TSX! So my choice will be OEM and they fit perfect every time.

lou_RENAMED

Acura filter with Mobil1 synthetic oil in 5-30 and your engine will last over 200 K miles

Bulldog01

I use Mobil 1 oil and filter (N104, or something like that).

stejus

Do you keep that OEM filter on for the entire cycle (meaning as long as you keep the Mobil 1 before changing)?

fender4

NOTE: There is company that tests and promotes filters,,, there goal is to get good life out of their products.. they can easliy say to change every 3k but they don't. I use a sdf44 with syn 0w30 and change filter every 5k (oil every 10k) and that is twice as often they recommend.




APPLICATION

AMSOIL INC. recommends changing the AMSOIL SDF according to the following guidelines.
In gasoline-fueled engines using any AMSOIL motor oil except AMSOIL XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil, change the filter at 12,500-mile or six-month intervals. In gasoline-fueled engines using AMSOIL XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil, change the filter at 7,500-mile or six-month intervals. If a Hastings or other filter is used, filter should be changed at manufacturer recommendations.

In diesel-fueled large truck engines, change the filter(s) at the engine manufacturer's recommended oil change interval. In diesel-fueled light trucks, including pickups and vans, change the filter at 7,000-mile or six-month intervals.

When using an AMSOIL Oil Filter with conventional motor oils, refer to the owner's manual for the recommended oil filter change interval.

lou_RENAMED

I cant find the results of the independent testing but it was very resourceful.

all the filters did they're job...the difference in the metals found in the oil after 3500K were negligible

he also took the filter apart and noticed that some of the filter were more used than others...meaning burnt. The Acura filter was somewhere in the middle...and at that point he noticed that the valve in the center of the filter was particularly easier to open in the Acura filter...which led him to other test that determined that if your gonna change your oil every 3500K the Acura filter is best....if you want to do it at 5k or 10K than Acura is not good since it burns to quick. Mobil1 filter is an excellent filter I believe model M-104

peiqinglong

Hrmmm...interesting read. I'm still not sure on what to use. I currently use the stock oil filter with Redline Synth 05w-30

typeSb00st

i'm going to dump the pennzoil oil. i'm using valvoline right now. duno if its anybetter than pennzoil.

fender4

here's some basics,,, use what your comfortable with,,

http://www.unofficialbmw.com/all/misc/all_oilfaq.html

now if you like tech reading

start here

http://www.synlube.com/synthetic.htm

stejus

Does this approach sound right? I'm basing this on the statement right off of AMSOIL's web page. I put on average 11000 miles in a 9 month period and then put the car away (for the hard winter months). I'll plan to service at the 5500 and 11000 mile intervals. Something like this

10,000 miles (AMSOIL Oil and Filter) <<Current milage
15,500 miles (AMSOIL Filter)
21,000 miles (Winter Storage - no change) (AMSOIL Oil and Filter) in the Spring
26,500 miles (AMSOIL Filter)
32,000 miles (Winter Storage - no change) (AMSOIL Oil and Filter) in the Spring


Here's a statement right off of AMSOIL.

"In personal cars and light-duty trucks with non-turbocharged gasoline engines: drain oil at 25,000 miles or one-year intervals, whichever comes first."

"If the vehicle is equipped with an AMSOIL Oil Filter, the filter should be changed at 12,500-mile or six-month intervals (whichever comes first) in gasoline engines and 7,000-mile or six-month intervals (whichever comes first) in diesel engines. Non-AMSOIL oil filters should be changed at the engine manufacturer's recommended filter change intervals."

fender4

[QUOTE]Originally posted by stejus
[B]Does this approach sound right? I'm basing this on the statement right off of AMSOIL's web page. I put on average 11000 miles in a 9 month period and then put the car away (for the hard winter months). I'll plan to service at the 5500 and 11000 mile intervals. Something like this

10,000 miles (AMSOIL Oil and Filter) <<Current milage
15,500 miles (AMSOIL Filter)
21,000 miles (Winter Storage - no change) (AMSOIL Oil and Filter) in the Spring
26,500 miles (AMSOIL Filter)
32,000 miles (Winter Storage - no change) (AMSOIL Oil and Filter) in the Spring



this is very good,,, 50% reduction of what is recommended,, I use the 0w30 which is rated at 35k miles. Also change the oil before storage not after,,, might want to use oil analysis every 20k.. I do this and my results are very positive,, I could even use the oil llonger but 10k changes are ok for me.

superdds

can't go wrong with FRAM

juice

I use WIX. If you want I can get you the number. I have a case of them in the garage.

edgalang

NiteQwill

For those interestind in Wix FIlters, the P/N you need is 51334

fender4

interest in photo,,

could mean you save money by using amsoil filters and syn oil ??? or amsoil filters are expensive ?? but for a mobil1 filter they are $12-$14 plus tax in my area,,, amsoil are $10.50 including tax ?? This $ issue is very close but we should want the best and that will cost somewhat higher. If you use extended drain intervales, the cost is close to the same,,, Now that opens the debate of the other benefits of syn oil,, less internal engine wear, increased heat removal on bearing surfaces. This has all been independently documented. If you plan on keeping your car for high mileage use,, why not give it the best. If you trade in or lease, go cheap and let the next guy worry about it.

Slimey

Now, I'm not arguing the fact that the Amsoil product cannot handle longer drain intervals or that anything bad will happen from following them, but:

Keep in mind that following this regimen will violate your car's warranty. The warranty states that the car should be maintained to manufacturer's recommendations (ie: not Amsoil's) to keep the warranty honored. The longest interval that Acura recommends is 7500 miles or 12 months, whichever comes first. According to your scenario, you are putting 11,000 miles per year, which mean's you overshot your change interval by 3,500 miles.

Not that anyone ever checks your oil change receipts for honoring the warranty, but if they did and you claimed the above 11K/year drainage interval, Acura/Honda would be well within their rights to negate any warranty claims.

This is true of anyone that follows drain intervals in excess of the manufacturer's recommendation. Amsoil is the oil of note in this scenario, but the same is true of any oil on an extended drain interval.

>;] Just a little devil's advocacy... >;]

lou_RENAMED

Mercedes uses Mobil1 sythetic as OEM in 0-40 weight and they recommend oil changes every 10K miles.

so maybe Acura with Mobil1 synthetic and a better oil filter like Amsoil and Mobil1 they can go to 10K miles

but also remember Mercedes gives free maintenance while its under warranty so that may have influenced their decision

stejus

I overshot my oil change.. Only kidding ya! I've been on conventional oil for the life of the car. It's an 03 with 10000 miles. I've had two oil changes so far. First was at 5000, the second at 8500 and the car went into winter storage at 10000 miles and it's still sitting. I'm at a point where I'm going to change the oil before I put it on the road again, it's just a matter of making a decision...

fender4

Ok... Lou you are right the dealer will tell you you must change your oil x miles or it will void warranty,, but he's lying,,, the dealer has to prove the oil caused a failure thru oil analyzing.


long read sorry



Warranties and the Magnuson-Moss Act

You have a customer who ’s interested in AMSOIL motor oil, but he’s concerned that using a synthetic oil or extending his oil drain interval will void his warranty.

Your customer has no need for concern. Congress in 1975 enacted the federal Magnuson-Moss Act to regulate written consumer product warranties. An examination of the law reveals warranties remain intact when AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants are used.

The law was meant to give consumers detailed information about warranty coverage before they buy.

Congress charged the Federal Trade Commission with creation of the specifics of the law.

The FTC set down three rules under the Act: the Disclosure Rule, the Pre-Sale Availability Rule and the Dispute Resolution Rule.

Those rules require warrantors to title their written warranty as either “full ” or “limited,” provide a single, clear and easy-to-read document that spells out certain information about coverage and ensure that warranties are available where the products are sold so that consumers can read them before buying.

In passing the Act, Congress meant to give consumers access to warranty information, let consumers comparison shop for warranties, encourage warranty competition and promote timely and complete performance of warranty obligations.

While the Magnuson-Moss Act does not require manufacturers to provide a written warranty, it provides specific rules when one is provided. Among those provisions, FTC regulations state: “(c) No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer’s using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the Commission if – ((1)the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and (2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest.” ((42 U.S.C.2302(C))

That means your warranty stands when you use AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants.

Vehicle manufacturers recommend lubricants according to their viscosity grade and service classification. Any oil, whether it ’s conventional petroleum motor oil or synthetic, meeting the correct viscosity grade,5W-30 for example, and the current API SL and ILSAC GF-3 North American service classifications may be used without affecting warranty coverage. AMSOIL motor oils are recommended for use in applications requiring these specifications. For more information on API licensing, go to “Ask AMSOIL” in the Dealer Zone.

Furthermore, the practice of extending oil drain intervals does not void warranties. Original equipment manufacturers pay or deny warranty claims based on the findings of failure analysis. To affect the vehicle warranty, the lubricant must be directly responsible for the failure. If the oil didn’t cause the problem the warranty cannot be voided, regardless of brand or length of time in use.

Synthetic motor oil was introduced to the automotive public in 1972 by AMSOIL, INC., with the world ’s first API rated synthetic motor oil – specially formulated for long service and superior performance and protection to that of conventional oils.

Nearly 30 years ago, AMSOIL synthetics represented a vision of the future and technology ahead of their time. Since then, every major engine oil manufacturer has introduced synthetic oils of their own. To be sure, many original equipment manufacturers would like you to believe you can only use their products. However, it ’s a violation of the consumer protections set forth in the Magnuson-Moss Act, unless they ’re willing to provide you those products free of charge.

AMSOIL offers a warranty that covers the cost of repair or replacement of a proven mechanically sound engine damaged as a result of using AMSOIL synthetic motor oil. However, it has never happened. Thirty years of experience proves AMSOIL can be installed in any vehicle with complete confidence.

AMSOIL further backs its products with action when a Dealer or customer reports being told their warranty is voided if they use synthetics.

If you have heard from any member of a business that the use of AMSOIL Motor Oil or the practice of extending drain intervals will void warranties, send AMSOIL all the details including the name of the business, business owner or manager and the individual making the claims, in a signed and dated letter. Send the letter to the Technical Services Department at corporate headquarters and an AMSOIL representative will send them a letter explaining the facts.

Access to the complete Magnuson-Moss Act is available on the Internet by key words “Magnuson-Moss Act ” or “Federal Trade Commission.”

NSXNEXT

iTrader: (2)

I thought the SDF20 was the oil filter for our car? Are you using the SDF44?

fender4

sdf44 is the oversize that fits and works fine.

stejus

Any retail chains sell AMZOIL?

Slimey

My point has nothing to do with the issues raised in the Magnuson Moss Act. Read your warranty agreement. There are requirements that the manufacturer states must be completed to maintain the warranty. One of these is to follow factory recommended maintenance.

Yes the M-M act prevents them from screwing you because you are using a non-Acura/Honda product, but you still have to hold up your end of the warranty and follow Honda/Acura's maintenance schedule.
I'm not sure how Amsoil can state this when it is direct violation of the text of the warranty agreement. I'd like to see the legal text of how this issue was successfully defended. Somehow I doubt you can get me this.

Would it ever come to a dealer challenging your drainage interval? I doubt it - I did say this is a bit of devil's advocation. But extending the drain interval outside of factory recommendations does violate the warranty agreement.

YMMV.

lou_RENAMED

Yea amsoil claims 15K by just using their oil which is wrong cause the acura filter will burn right through with that amount of mileage. Yes the oil wont degrade as much but the filter plays a major roles in how clean your oil will be thoughout the 15K miles. If your filter fails then no matter how good your oil is it will still have higher level of metals. The point is can any filter manufacturer claim that the it will filter for as long as 15K miles ???? Thats what most important cause any synthetic will last 10K thats understable but filter are different.

Mobil1 never claimed such claims they even mention follow the manufacturer maintenance recommendation. Amsoil has balls to claim their filter will last that long at those temperature and still do an effecient job. Those are the questions that I would ask myself.

Slimey

I agree. My guess is that no one has yet called their bluff, and that a challenge of this matter has not made it to the court level. If it had, and they were successful, I'd bet they'd be open about publishing the appropriate documents.

Think about it -- an engine failure due to failure of the oil in a street driven car is an extraordinarily rare event, especially in the relativly new engine that's covered in the warranty (they don't have to worry about covering more abused race driven engines or older engines, as these do not have valid warranties anyway). The people who are going to push their oil to the limits of an extended drain interval are mostly like people on these forums: they'll do a good job checking under the hood, maintaining proper fluid levels, changing their filters, and even obtaining oil analysis. They're unlikely to get into a engine problem anyway.

stejus

Another statement from an AMSOIL rep referring to changing out the filter and keeping the AMSOIL oil in for 25K or 1 year. I'm a bit skeptical on 25K on the oil drain, but the filter change makes sense seeing that’s the part that keeps the oil clean.

Read on....
Any filter can be used with AMSOIL 5w30 synthetic oil, but oil filters not designed for extended change intervals should be changed every 3 to 4 months or every 5,000 miles (whichever comes first). The oil will still be good for the full 25,000 miles.

At each filter change you'll need to top off the system with oil. So, consider not only the cost of the filter, but also the cost of the oil you'll have to replace which is lost at each filter change.

To acheive optimum protection of your engine and easier maintenance, use a high efficiency full flow oil filter or bypass oil filtration system along with your AMSOIL 5w30 synthetic oil. These filters remove far more contaminants and last far longer than conventional oil filters.