Zootking

this morning I was leaving my apt complex minding my own business, when a white Z28 rolls up next to me at an accelerated speed. I was thinking someone is actually going to try and race b/c that never seems to happen. Anyways, I shift down to third, right on Vtec (@ 55) so I knew I would have the most power. He gets next to me and we both punch it. Up til 85 we are side by side, but when I shifted into 4th, I began to pull slowly. By 5th and 115mph I was a car ahead.

Earlier tonight I was coming home and I saw a CLK in my rear view. He was on my ass, so I thought I would fuck with him and sped up, still on my ass. Finally I got to where I could get over and I slowed down. It was fucking kid. I slowed to @ 30 in 2nd gear and let him go first, when i knew he was going I punched it. All the way til end of 3rd, he wasnt pullin, but when I hit 4th he moved @ a half car ahead. I let off at 110, still a half car behind. The one thing I noticed when he kept going was that it was a CLK 430 AMG.....oops my mistake I guess, although it was a good race.

Nicky Pass

You beat a Z 28...........OKAY So, how kuch nitrous did you use:P

Pull_T

You pulled on him in 4th...sure ya did buddy...

Black CL-S 4-Life

Nice kill! 6 speed power! :P

ThoroDredCLS

Nice job!! I believe him...the six speed gearing is alot different than are slushbox. So, I am expecting 4th gear in the 6spd to still have enough power to ward off most attackers. Remember they now have 5th and 6th gears for over-drive when the autos have 4th and 5th.

Mike

what year was the Z28? I don't believe there's a AMG version of the 430 yet so it was just a badge.
good kills!

Pull, he owns the 6 speed so 4 gear will pull hard.

Zapata

Read read the dudes sig before you pull out the BS flag. Nice kills!!!! Mercedes are HEAVY cars and from a stop you can hang with alot of them. Especially with the 6MT.

Pull_T

I did read the dude's sig. I realize that he has a 6 speed, but it wasn't the tranny gearing that made me raise the BS flag. It was the 100 rear wheel horsepower the Camaro has on him. a run from 70-115 is right in the sweet spot for that car.

Black CL-S 4-Life

Maybe he ran an older LT1...those engines don't have killer topend like the LS1 does.

Zapata

YEah but the z28 might have been an auto, he might've had added weight or just could've been a really shitty stick driver.

Zootking

Pull, it looked like a mid 96-98...older body style. I realize a V8 should kill our 6ers top end, but it didnt this time. I dont know why, but I wouldnt lie about it. Besides, its not like I beat him by 4-5 cars, but I was just as shocked as you seem to be. Anyways, Im not gonna post something that's bullshit, maybe I just got lucky this time.

By the way, the only mods I have are an Injen CAI and the Comptech springs, sorry no NOS here.....only going all motor

Pull_T

no problem man...

typeR

dude if you're talking that old spuare body stlye with the IROC ...those are a joke........

Zootking

not that old of a body style...I know those are a joke.

NJTypeS

If it was a 93-97 Z28 (Lt1 engine) a 6 speed cls should have no problem beating it. 98-02 Ls1...thats a different beast. Whether they are a stick or auto it does not matter. My friend has a bone stock 00 auto Z28. Ran a 13.7 on the stock crappy tires.

roo97ss

well i don't know about the cl-s no problem on an LT1, a tired LT1 maybe, but not a decent running one. My brother picked his up, 6 spd t/a 95 with 55k on the clock. all stock at that time. sure he couldn't launch it well and was running about 14.0 but he was pulling 102 in the traps. With cold air, gutted cat, and cat back he was running 104 in the traps. My auto equipped SS, essentially cold air and cat back, was pulling 103 in the trap, running 13.5. The DRs, 1.6 RR and shorty headers brought me down to 13.2 (.18 actually on best run) at 104.5, just a sight bit better than my brother for mph.

his friend, complete car moron had a stock (did ad flowmaster mufffler for sound) z28 auto, with highway gears, wouldn't spin off the line with 245/50/16s, consistant 13.7-8 at 100-1 mph. so maybe from a roll it'd be close with the cl-s, with a poor running auto, but from a stop you're still in rough shape unless you've hit the mod shop pretty hard.

Granted the ls1s are stronger, my brother's 6 spd with shorty headers, cat back, cold air is pulling 110 traps, though he still hasn't broken 12s (can't drive it worth a damn). my a4 SS, with a lid and maf traps about 107, running 12.8 on DRs.

You're best bet for putting a beating down on one of these guys is find one with a standard trans, and definitely as you did go from a roll. an early, or missed shift will make the difference. also from a stop it's a little too easy to spin the Zs rear wheels, and an anxious racer could go up in smoke and end up with a 2.4-2.8 60' time.

I've done anywhere from a 2.0 to a 2.7 with my brothers cars; while mine is consistantly 2.0-2.2 (before DRs) and then 1.8-2.0.

Good kill regardless,

Joe

shurston

MIKE there is an AMG version of the clk 430 it's called a ClK55 and it cost about $70-80K with over 300+ hp V8 FYI

oonowindoo

i m scared of Z28s .. it doesnt matter what year..... the only camaro i would ever race is a V6 ones

1SICKLEX

This V-6 killing these V-8s at high speeds has got to focking slow down. The Z28 had 275 hp stock and are a beast, LS1 or LT1. The CLK 430 has 278hp, the CLK 55 has 349 hp.

On the highway, these cars are BEASTS. Seriously. What does the 6-speed pull on a dyno, I would like to know that.

What is the top speed keeping your car in 3rd gear? The tire spins out enough on a auto, I know there is slippage on the 6-speed, limited slip and all. DO u have diff tires?

1SICKLEX

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=47937


Hmmmm, seems familiar.....

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...9&pagenumber=1

not familiar...

NJTypeS

The LS1's are 300-325hp in the z28/formula/transam. 6 speed or auto, they both dyno around 290to 300 to the wheels. GM completely underates these engines, so they don'tsteel anythunder from the vette. The LS1 in the vette is 350hp. The z28/FORMULA/TRANSAM engine is the same.

Pull_T

They are not the same.

Nicky Pass

I thought they were the same......the difference was in the intake

nd9ta

I'd believe it, maybe an LT1 and a bad driver. LS1 and a bad driver - you might just keep up. Decent driver in an LS1 - you are staring at tailpipes. Not a flame, just stating obvious points.

Pretty close but not all correct. First off, 6-speed and Auto - you are looking at about 5% rwhp diff. They are not the same.

GM does underated this engine in the F-Body.

LS1 in 'vettes are hardly any different, unless Pull_T knows something I don't. During the five year life of the LS1, the C5 Corvette did, at times, have a slightly different cam than the F-body. F-bodies have a different cam and PCM program and they require the exhaust recirculation set up. '01 and '02 LS1's in either car are pratically identical. That's about it internally. Otherwise, here is the actually difference..

Fuel rail covers on the vette engines
Exhaust mainfolds
Intake on 98-00 (no EGR on vettes)
Alternator mounted on top while f-body is mounter on bottom
not sure about the a/c compressor
transmission is located in the back of the vette
intake is different on the vette
PCM programming is different on the vette
cam is different.
and a few small details

Now the Z06 is a whole other beast LS6

Pull_T

Exactly, I'm glad you rang in with the differences here. I was just trying to emphasize that they are not the "same" engine in my book, what with different cams, intakes, etc. Very similar...yes.

I guess it all depends on how you define "same", you could say the LS6 and Ls1 are the same (but with different heads, cams, intake, Programming, etc.)

Ming 2.7T

There is an AMG CLK430, but before you all start readying the pistols, the AMG CLK430 is or was a cosmetic package. No engine upgrade. Not to confused with the AMG C36 AMG C43 AMG C32 and so on. And yes I have ran against an AMG CLK430 right in front of the MB dealer in Anaheim Hills. CA. Again, it has no engine upgrades. Was real nice looking!!

1SICKLEX

Ming, I agree but without the engine, I think it's a ''sport" and not a true AMG car.

BSK181

WHAT HE SAID RE AMG 430
PICK UP any national mag and see that the 430 times are almost exactly the same as ours
driver to driver race
i have beaten 2 stoplite to stoplite by inches

same thing against an m3(1999) stick, the driver

Fast Gold

I had the CL-S before and i have the Z28 now. Let me say this in plain English "There is no way a CL-s would beat a A4 or M6 LS1 Z28" My Z28 dyno'd with only 400miles on it (stock) at 292RWHP and 314RWTQ. After Adding Catback and a LID(intake) i gained 33RWHP and 24RWTQ. I ran after that on the track with shitty 16inch tires and managed 13.1 at 109.66mph spinning through every gear.

Let me clarify something else, the LS1 engine is rated on the Z28 at 310HP, SS 325HP, C5 350HP, but in fact it gives 345HP for all of them, 10HP more for SS and 15HP more for C5 sometimes. The difference between the C5 and the SS is basically the weight and Intake. The Z28 have the worst CATBACK and that makes it slower than the SS.

On the other hand the LT1 is way slower than the LS1. I saw alot of them run 14.0-14.2 at 98-101mph in stock trim. So with a bad driver i think a modded M6 CL-S will beat it.


Sorry for writing alot.

cnatra

yeah, in the 6spd, 5th gear is still right at a 1:1 ratio.

I think 6th gear may be as tall as our 4th gear.

cnatra

the LS1's in the F bodies have a lot more in common with a standard C5
than the C5 LS1 does with the LS6

Kind of a LT1 vs. LT4 comparison

Doesn't the Vette use an aluminum block while the F bodies are cast iron ???

nd9ta

Again, the LS1 in '01 and '02 are virtually identical internally except for the cam. It's the same motor guys. The only changes are externally.... - Fuel rail covers on the vettes, Exhaust mainfolds are different, the alternator mounted on top while f-body is mounted on bottom, transmission is located in the back of the vette, the intake is different on the vette, and PCM programming is different on the vette.

Again, the LS6 has much less in common with the LS1. Besides, The engine has so many changes internally, its not even called an LS1

Pull_T

All the 346 motors are aluminum block, btw...