AWESOME race with a highly-modded 911TT
11-29-2004, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by cls6sp03
Very nice!!! But I'm happy with my modest 305/262 WHP/TQ... well sorta... 
But I think I'd be even happier with 350... or would I?
But I think I'd be even happier with 350... or would I? just an FYI
11-29-2004, 11:27 PM
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The look on that guys face must have been priceless.
It's pretty interesting that:
1) With a simple spring swap out, you can get to 8psi
2) Run your gas down low and throw in one of those 5 gallon containers of high octane
3) Hook up your laptop and add back in some advance
you probably would have left him.
It's pretty interesting that:
1) With a simple spring swap out, you can get to 8psi
2) Run your gas down low and throw in one of those 5 gallon containers of high octane
3) Hook up your laptop and add back in some advance
you probably would have left him.
do you have stock axles? i would love to see a track run with DR's...
11-30-2004, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
I believe the dyno #'s are raw values, although I could be wrong. It was on a 'lame' axle dyno 
A friend dyno'd his G35C on that dyno as well as a dynoject and the 'lame' axle dyno showed 11whp more, so I am quite happy with the way that particular 'lame' axle dyno has been calibrated for not having the front wheels on a roller.
Torque was 360.x ft-lbs
This is my 2nd race with a 911TT... the first one (I assume) was a stock one with the X50 package which I pulled on slightly in 4th gear. This 911TT was obviously much quicker. I have also raced a 360 Modena which I destroyed and an E55 AMG which was pretty much an even race. Note that all these are on 91-octane with my timing retarded about 5 degrees at 6psi.
Dyno #'s can be 'lame' or whatever... I don't really care. The car is quick, that's all I need to know
A friend dyno'd his G35C on that dyno as well as a dynoject and the 'lame' axle dyno showed 11whp more, so I am quite happy with the way that particular 'lame' axle dyno has been calibrated for not having the front wheels on a roller.Torque was 360.x ft-lbs
This is my 2nd race with a 911TT... the first one (I assume) was a stock one with the X50 package which I pulled on slightly in 4th gear. This 911TT was obviously much quicker. I have also raced a 360 Modena which I destroyed and an E55 AMG which was pretty much an even race. Note that all these are on 91-octane with my timing retarded about 5 degrees at 6psi.
Dyno #'s can be 'lame' or whatever... I don't really care. The car is quick, that's all I need to know
I'd love for you to prove this wrong - it'd be really impressive. I'm sure we'd all love to see your track slip showing a CLS can actually run low 12's w/ the "big dogs".
11-30-2004, 09:28 AM
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His previous set up made 70 wheel horsepower less and ran 12.9 @111 on street tires. 
EDIT: Also, I make approx. 120 whp less than him and I trapped at 108. You are underestimating these cars, DRASTICALLY
And I highly doubt the loss on a roller dyno vs. the axle dyno is 70 whp. That's nearly 20%. He stated that the dyno is calibrated very well and usually is within 11 whp of a dynojet.
EDIT: Also, I make approx. 120 whp less than him and I trapped at 108. You are underestimating these cars, DRASTICALLY
And I highly doubt the loss on a roller dyno vs. the axle dyno is 70 whp. That's nearly 20%. He stated that the dyno is calibrated very well and usually is within 11 whp of a dynojet.
11-30-2004, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by fiveoh-tl
Given that the 419hp an 360trq was on an axle dyno, the real #'s w/ regular road conditions and the parastytic loss (that a roller dyno would add) are realistically more like 350-360hp and 300-310trq. With optimal road, weather and elevation w/ that power and that weight, the best your car would run is high 12's low 13's @ 105-107mph.
The difference between a Dynapack and a Dynojet is not as you alluded. It may be about 3% - 5% depending on various factors. You are suggesting an engine dyno difference which is not the case here. Him making 419 WHP on a Dynapack may equate for about 400 WHP on a Dynojet. Had he made 419 crank HP, that would translate to about 350 WHP on a Dynojet; about what you mentioned. It appears you are mistaken about what type of dyno was performed.
As another example, I made 369 WHP with my SC/IC CL-S6. Granted, it probably would have taken his last turbo set up but not this one. And I was running about 1.5 PSI more boost.
11-30-2004, 10:15 AM
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Well... I already hit 12.9 @ 111.87 mph after making 347 whp on the SAME dyno... so 74 whp extra is quite a bit!! It's good to be skeptical... I doubt the car will hit 11's... even if it traps 120+mph, there's a lot more to running 11's than just raw hp.
11-30-2004, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by fiveoh-tl
Is that 419hp SAE net or gross, and was it a roller dyno or one of those lame axle dynos? What type of torque #s are you making? What are your 60' times - thing sounds like it'd be a beast to launch.
If that 911TT is trapping in the 120+ range, he should be pulling deep into the 11's.....and if you're hanging w/ him I'd assume your 12.xx means very low 12's and that your 11X. mph is 119. I'm not trying to flame - I'm just trying to put all of this together......I mean it's not everyday you see/hear of a CLS taking out a 911TT.
Any videos of the dyno pull or the low 12 run?
Why are you still going by allmotor....isn't that an oxymoron?
If that 911TT is trapping in the 120+ range, he should be pulling deep into the 11's.....and if you're hanging w/ him I'd assume your 12.xx means very low 12's and that your 11X. mph is 119. I'm not trying to flame - I'm just trying to put all of this together......I mean it's not everyday you see/hear of a CLS taking out a 911TT.
Any videos of the dyno pull or the low 12 run?Why are you still going by allmotor....isn't that an oxymoron?
I didn't take a video of the dyno... but all of the data was published in Turbo Mag (Dec issue), so take a look.
11-30-2004, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
There's a video floating around on the day I ran the 12... albeit the actual pass on tape was a 13.4 @ 108 or something (1200 feet elevation). There's also a video of me running a 13.5 @ 103 NA somewhere.
I didn't take a video of the dyno... but all of the data was published in Turbo Mag (Dec issue), so take a look.
I didn't take a video of the dyno... but all of the data was published in Turbo Mag (Dec issue), so take a look.
11-30-2004, 12:57 PM
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11-30-2004, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fiveoh-tl
I'm not trying to bash the axle dyno, but they're known for being quite generous (10-15% more favorable). I'll have to hunt down the issue of Turbo Mag. So if 12.9 is an honest #, the 70hp increase should get you into the low to mid 12's... but that 70hp will also make it tougher to launch. Sorry for being so skeptical.
11-30-2004, 04:17 PM
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You might be taling about 996TTx50, if it's true here's his mods:
Performance Mods: Ultimate Motorworks Stage V Zero Clearance turbos, ceramic coated, ported and polished, with custom wastegates * RUF exhaust * Custom ported/polished/ceramic coated headers * GIAC custom programming with 1.3 bar / 19 lbs. boost (programmed for 100 octane) * Gemballa sport air intake system and air inlet distributor * GT2 intercoolers * Aquamist methanol/water injection system (boost actuated direct spray into the intake) * Aquamist methanol/water intercooler sprays (boost and manually actuated) * La Bree Motorsport custom racing pipes * Bailey diverter valves * K&N air filter * Techart coilovers * Techart sway bars (front and back) * Cargraphic alloy strut tower bar * Brembo 14in / 380mm Evolution brakes * Performance Friction Carbon Metallic brake pads * HRE 540R wheels (11.5 rear and 8.5 front) * Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (315 rear) * 2004 spark plugs
Non-Performance Mods: SmarTire tire pressure monitoring * AEM wideband air fuel gauge * K40 radar detector and laser diffuser * RUF stainless steel pedals * Carbon fiber steering wheel, shift knob and parking brake * Silver Porsche crest * Paris Audio garage door opener * Bumper plugs * Clear side markers * Ash tray delete console * 35% tinted windows
He posts at SVTperformance, and he believes he traps north of 130 mph. He regulary takes out Lambos, highly modded cobras...etc, don't know how you kept up with that beast, but non the less great race.
Is this what it looked like??
Performance Mods: Ultimate Motorworks Stage V Zero Clearance turbos, ceramic coated, ported and polished, with custom wastegates * RUF exhaust * Custom ported/polished/ceramic coated headers * GIAC custom programming with 1.3 bar / 19 lbs. boost (programmed for 100 octane) * Gemballa sport air intake system and air inlet distributor * GT2 intercoolers * Aquamist methanol/water injection system (boost actuated direct spray into the intake) * Aquamist methanol/water intercooler sprays (boost and manually actuated) * La Bree Motorsport custom racing pipes * Bailey diverter valves * K&N air filter * Techart coilovers * Techart sway bars (front and back) * Cargraphic alloy strut tower bar * Brembo 14in / 380mm Evolution brakes * Performance Friction Carbon Metallic brake pads * HRE 540R wheels (11.5 rear and 8.5 front) * Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (315 rear) * 2004 spark plugs
Non-Performance Mods: SmarTire tire pressure monitoring * AEM wideband air fuel gauge * K40 radar detector and laser diffuser * RUF stainless steel pedals * Carbon fiber steering wheel, shift knob and parking brake * Silver Porsche crest * Paris Audio garage door opener * Bumper plugs * Clear side markers * Ash tray delete console * 35% tinted windows
He posts at SVTperformance, and he believes he traps north of 130 mph. He regulary takes out Lambos, highly modded cobras...etc, don't know how you kept up with that beast, but non the less great race.
Is this what it looked like??
11-30-2004, 08:35 PM
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The 911TT w/ the mods you mentioned, in my estimation, should've reeled you in a lot faster, but frankly, I'm not all that surprised either. When I was in your car, the temp was 85+ ... and judging by how cold it's been in the Valley lately, I'm sure your car is putting out an incredible amount of power.
Stability-wise though, how was the match up against the 911TT w/ huge wing, etc.? When do you think he would've let off, if at all? Also, was this on the 101 or on Valley Circle? Cause 130 mph on a surface road is like whoa
Stability-wise though, how was the match up against the 911TT w/ huge wing, etc.? When do you think he would've let off, if at all? Also, was this on the 101 or on Valley Circle? Cause 130 mph on a surface road is like whoa
12-01-2004, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mattg
^ you should be
12-01-2004, 01:24 PM
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I think you'e kidding, but if you're not, why would "should" I be? This doesn't add up, and the #'s don't completely make sense....the power he's making, the times he's pulling w/ the power he says he makes, etc. It's hard to believe and when something like this is claimed it should be questioned. No reason why everyone should take every story or claim as 100% truth.......after all the explanation of this forum used to be "fiction or non-fiction - beat an M5....yeah sure you did".
Plus, Allmotor hasn't tracked his new setup yet... so even he doesn't know what it can run. You can speculate all you want, but the fact is it hasn't been tested yet. I personally think that he can beat his old time of 12.9 now... but by how much?? I have no idea, and we won't know for sure until the next video
12-01-2004, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by fiveoh-tl
I think you'e kidding, but if you're not, why would "should" I be? This doesn't add up, and the #'s don't completely make sense....the power he's making, the times he's pulling w/ the power he says he makes, etc. It's hard to believe and when something like this is claimed it should be questioned. No reason why everyone should take every story or claim as 100% truth.......after all the explanation of this forum used to be "fiction or non-fiction - beat an M5....yeah sure you did".
12-01-2004, 02:29 PM
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I think it's time to put our $$$ where our BS is . . . :P
The idea is to place odds on Allmotors times with his new set up.
Say for example we could have a range from 11.5 to 12.99 . . . closest to the pin wins . . bragging rights
And those that guess over 12.99 get to
I'd guess based on his previous set up running 12.9s I say he's good for 12.45 with no more mods to the suspension . . . 11.9s with.
Ruf
The idea is to place odds on Allmotors times with his new set up.
Say for example we could have a range from 11.5 to 12.99 . . . closest to the pin wins . . bragging rights
And those that guess over 12.99 get to
I'd guess based on his previous set up running 12.9s I say he's good for 12.45 with no more mods to the suspension . . . 11.9s with.
Ruf
12-01-2004, 03:30 PM
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comparing 1/4 times between him in the porche really doesnt say much, the porche being 4wd would slaughter him out the hole, but from a roll its a totally new game
12-01-2004, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fiveoh-tl
w/ that power and that weight, the best your car would run is high 12's low 13's @ 105-107mph. That's ridiculously fast for a CLS, but not exactly a 911TT eater. That's not to say that you didn't beat him or outdrive him, but car vs car, the 911TT wins.
I'd love for you to prove this wrong - it'd be really impressive. I'm sure we'd all love to see your track slip showing a CLS can actually run low 12's w/ the "big dogs".
I'd love for you to prove this wrong - it'd be really impressive. I'm sure we'd all love to see your track slip showing a CLS can actually run low 12's w/ the "big dogs".
12-01-2004, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fiveoh-tl
I think you'e kidding, but if you're not, why would "should" I be?
and here you are underestimating again.
but i am just messing w/ you. you are being fairly courteous.
ps, my car dynod 301 whp and ran a 13.25 @ 105.7 w/ 75 shot on a 80 degree day.
12-02-2004, 02:46 AM
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By the way... there is a video of my running a 13.5 @ 103 NA... so figure what an additional 150whp does!! General rule-of-thumb... 1mph per 10whp. It makes sense cuz I was at around 340whp for the 111mph run.
I would have to agree with this "logic"
How does FWD affect high speed rolls? I know AWD typically lose to RWD at high speeds given cars have same "configs" in terms of power to the wheel.
Mrsteve, bunch of us AMG guys will rent out Capitol again in January...I should be in the 11's then with the cold weather...hopefully
12-02-2004, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AC
Mrsteve, bunch of us AMG guys will rent out Capitol again in January...I should be in the 11's then with the cold weather...hopefully
How long in the year do they stay open? I wanna go tomorrow night but their schedule on their site only goes through the end of November.
EDIT: Hopefully i'll be close to a 12.9 @ 110 MPH by January.
12-03-2004, 08:29 AM
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um....
Originally Posted by allmotor_2000
Sure... I don't mind. Most mod'd cobras would take me quite easily as those things run very fast stock! But, PM me... I'm down for it!
Not if you're "almost tying" worked Porsches.!!!! Running a couple modded cobras will give you a good baseline though, especially from a dig because "most" of us know exactly how our cars run (60 ft, trap speed, ET) so you can get a good feel for how your car does in comparison...
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I was just thinking...
...the exact same thing. 996TTx50 will give you a run... I only hear him wanting to try. I think he knocked out a 600/600 '03 Cobra, so running him will probably be some humble pie for you. =) But that is one *sweet* car... <drool>
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You might be taling about 996TTx50, if it's true here's his mods:
Performance Mods: Ultimate Motorworks Stage V Zero Clearance turbos, ceramic coated, ported and polished, with custom wastegates * RUF exhaust * Custom ported/polished/ceramic coated headers * GIAC custom programming with 1.3 bar / 19 lbs. boost (programmed for 100 octane) * Gemballa sport air intake system and air inlet distributor * GT2 intercoolers * Aquamist methanol/water injection system (boost actuated direct spray into the intake) * Aquamist methanol/water intercooler sprays (boost and manually actuated) * La Bree Motorsport custom racing pipes * Bailey diverter valves * K&N air filter * Techart coilovers * Techart sway bars (front and back) * Cargraphic alloy strut tower bar * Brembo 14in / 380mm Evolution brakes * Performance Friction Carbon Metallic brake pads * HRE 540R wheels (11.5 rear and 8.5 front) * Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (315 rear) * 2004 spark plugs
Non-Performance Mods: SmarTire tire pressure monitoring * AEM wideband air fuel gauge * K40 radar detector and laser diffuser * RUF stainless steel pedals * Carbon fiber steering wheel, shift knob and parking brake * Silver Porsche crest * Paris Audio garage door opener * Bumper plugs * Clear side markers * Ash tray delete console * 35% tinted windows
He posts at SVTperformance, and he believes he traps north of 130 mph. He regulary takes out Lambos, highly modded cobras...etc, don't know how you kept up with that beast, but non the less great race.
Is this what it looked like??
Performance Mods: Ultimate Motorworks Stage V Zero Clearance turbos, ceramic coated, ported and polished, with custom wastegates * RUF exhaust * Custom ported/polished/ceramic coated headers * GIAC custom programming with 1.3 bar / 19 lbs. boost (programmed for 100 octane) * Gemballa sport air intake system and air inlet distributor * GT2 intercoolers * Aquamist methanol/water injection system (boost actuated direct spray into the intake) * Aquamist methanol/water intercooler sprays (boost and manually actuated) * La Bree Motorsport custom racing pipes * Bailey diverter valves * K&N air filter * Techart coilovers * Techart sway bars (front and back) * Cargraphic alloy strut tower bar * Brembo 14in / 380mm Evolution brakes * Performance Friction Carbon Metallic brake pads * HRE 540R wheels (11.5 rear and 8.5 front) * Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (315 rear) * 2004 spark plugs
Non-Performance Mods: SmarTire tire pressure monitoring * AEM wideband air fuel gauge * K40 radar detector and laser diffuser * RUF stainless steel pedals * Carbon fiber steering wheel, shift knob and parking brake * Silver Porsche crest * Paris Audio garage door opener * Bumper plugs * Clear side markers * Ash tray delete console * 35% tinted windows
He posts at SVTperformance, and he believes he traps north of 130 mph. He regulary takes out Lambos, highly modded cobras...etc, don't know how you kept up with that beast, but non the less great race.
Is this what it looked like??
12-03-2004, 02:32 PM
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i raced one of these once
let me try to find my thread from a long time ago..
ah! here it is! https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130782
anywho, nice kill allmotor!
arent u gonna change your plate to N-V-ME ?
let me try to find my thread from a long time ago..
ah! here it is! https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130782
anywho, nice kill allmotor!
arent u gonna change your plate to N-V-ME ?