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Old 09-24-2003, 10:01 AM
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Alignment Specs? HELP

Just picked up the car from Firestone. Here are the specs:

Left Front: Right Front:
Camber -.13 -.84 (RANGE -1.0...1.0)
Caster ----- ------
Toe 0.00 0.01 (RANGE -.04.....04)

Front:
Cross Camber .7
Total Toe .01 (RANGE -.08.....08)
Set Back .76

Left Rear: Right Rear:
Camber -.97 -1.2 (RANGE -1.0....0.00)
Toe .03 .02 (RANGE 0.00.....08)

Total Toe .05 (RANGE 0.00.....0.16)
Thrust Angle .01

Can someone please explain these to me. I was told that the rear is not in good shape in that the Left Rear Camber is almost at the limit of acceptable and the Right Rear Camber is out of the acceptable range. Any help would be great. Thanks.
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Old 09-24-2003, 10:06 AM
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wow you have some crazy numbers for the CT springs.
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my rear was totally in spec. then again, I'm running on stockies.
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you are going to need to get a camber kit for both the front and the back to correct it. the camber should be 0.
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oh sorry, the numbers there for camber are the degrees off of the normal they are. negative means the top of the wheel is pointing inwards towards the center of the car.

I don't truly understand what toe is and have no idea what thrust is.
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So if I get the front and rear camber kit - will this take care of the situation?
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Originally posted by civic4982
oh sorry, the numbers there for camber are the degrees off of the normal they are. negative means the top of the wheel is pointing inwards towards the center of the car.

I don't truly understand what toe is and have no idea what thrust is.
The values for toe in and toe out are very important to the wear of the tires!!! Too much toe in, you wear more on the outter edge of tires. Too much toe out, you wear more on the inside edge of tires. The ideal spec is to have the toe value at 0.00.

Thrust angle is not as important as camber and toe.
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OK, well, ummm, still not real sure what needs to be done. Sounds like I need the camber kit for the rear and maybe the front. I guess I am wondering if that will remedy this issue or if there is some other fix - or if I even need to do anything? I mean how fast is this going to wear tires? Is it dangerous?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by DHRJDMBA
[B]OK, well, ummm, still not real sure what needs to be done. Sounds like I need the camber kit for the rear and maybe the front. I guess I am wondering if that will remedy this issue or if there is some other fix - or if I even need to do anything? I mean how fast is this going to wear

Depends on how much the cambers are off and how much you drive. If it is way off, a few hundred miles can wear out a lot of your tires! You should be able to see the uneven wear in the front. Take out the rear tires to have a good look/or use a jack stand to get a good look
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Take a look at my initial post - you can see the range and the current specs. What do you think?
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i thought if you had a comptech drop you didnt need a camber kit?
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Re: Alignment Specs? HELP

Originally posted by DHRJDMBA

I was told that the rear is not in good shape in that the Left Rear Camber is almost at the limit of acceptable and the Right Rear Camber is out of the acceptable range.
David-
you pretty much got it. your rear camber is out on one side, and almost out on the other. but its not insane. your dont have to do anything right away

the tl has +2mm (0.08inch)total toe in the rear, if the cl is the same, they didnt give you enough toe - 0.03 under. no big deal.
toe is the biggest tire wearing angle

quite a bit of cross camber, might give you a pull.
thrust is the direction the rear tires are pointing, and yours are pretty much staight ahead
they didnt do caster sweeps, they should have.
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Here were my results:
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...after+lowering
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Thanks. I have spoken to a few people who have agreed a camber kit in the rear might be worth it, but there is no rush so long as I rotate the tires and watch for any abnormal wear. I think I will wait to find a rear camber kit on the black market. I am wondering if the results would have been different if I had the car aligned with my sotck wheels? Thoughts?
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Don't get too crazy over those rear camber numbers .They fixed the toe that is important .I have lowered amany cars most of them fall into the range you have .I do not get excited till i see numbers exceeding 2 degrees of camber .
Just up the rotation schedule from every 7500 to every 5000 and make sure you have some air in the tires and you will be in good shape .

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Why do I need air in the tires? The car rides much lower without.

Thanks Jens!

David-


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