5 Axis Models SEMA kit update
08-20-2002, 05:32 PM
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Gather around Gather around (5 Axis Models SEMA kit update!)
Ok after visiting their old location in Santa Ana, I got in touch with the landlord. They moved in June '01 to Lake Forest, CA
which is just minutes away from Irvine.
And luckily the phone # provided by the landlord was good.
I talked to Troy Sumitomo, the guy who owns 5 Axis Models/Max Designs... or if you watched Hi Rev Tuner on Speedvision, its the same person. http://www.hirevtuners.com/site/pres...D=59&PreID=110
So I told him who I was representing and about this board, etc.
What Troy said was that the rights to the CLS kit is owned by Honda Accessories of Torrance, CA. After telling him how popular the SEMA kit from VEGAS '00 was, how after seeing this car many of us were PUMPED and excited about getting the CL
and that the TL has a kit from Honda, but the CL doesn't not even have aftermarket support from Comptech/Wings West, he's going speak to Honda Accessories today and ask why a CL kit isn't being made!!
He also told me the RSX design was done by him and of course the rights are owned by Honda Access. In the upcoming shows, you will see a Civic kit :o from Max Designs.
So kids, I told him that I'd be in contact real soon to find out about their meeting. And hopefully he can bring us some good news!
Unfortunately, they dont have much of a working website.
which is just minutes away from Irvine.
And luckily the phone # provided by the landlord was good.
I talked to Troy Sumitomo, the guy who owns 5 Axis Models/Max Designs... or if you watched Hi Rev Tuner on Speedvision, its the same person. http://www.hirevtuners.com/site/pres...D=59&PreID=110
So I told him who I was representing and about this board, etc.
What Troy said was that the rights to the CLS kit is owned by Honda Accessories of Torrance, CA. After telling him how popular the SEMA kit from VEGAS '00 was, how after seeing this car many of us were PUMPED and excited about getting the CL
and that the TL has a kit from Honda, but the CL doesn't not even have aftermarket support from Comptech/Wings West, he's going speak to Honda Accessories today and ask why a CL kit isn't being made!!
He also told me the RSX design was done by him and of course the rights are owned by Honda Access. In the upcoming shows, you will see a Civic kit :o from Max Designs.
So kids, I told him that I'd be in contact real soon to find out about their meeting. And hopefully he can bring us some good news!
Unfortunately, they dont have much of a working website.
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08-20-2002, 07:32 PM
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Guys, all that guy said was he'll 'ask honda accessories why they're not making the sema cl kit'... i dont know whether thats good enough to start celebrating. Be optimistic but dont hold ur breathe.
The way i see it - the company that designed that sema kit should be coming after US if they wanted to sell their kit. I'm still troubled as to why they havent offered that to the public. Cos, after all, why would any company put in time and effort and money into something to show off to the public than NOT offer it.
It just seems like bad business or am i missing something here ??
The way i see it - the company that designed that sema kit should be coming after US if they wanted to sell their kit. I'm still troubled as to why they havent offered that to the public. Cos, after all, why would any company put in time and effort and money into something to show off to the public than NOT offer it.
It just seems like bad business or am i missing something here ??
08-20-2002, 07:39 PM
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And if they're NOW gonna start offering it all of the sudden then they have got to be the stupidest businessmen i've ever met.
To me, it just seems like they dont wanna mass produce it for whatever the reason and want to tease us with it
To me, it just seems like they dont wanna mass produce it for whatever the reason and want to tease us with it
08-20-2002, 07:56 PM
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I think the bigger problem is the stagnant sales of the CL. If you were Acura would you invest money in a kit for a car whose sales are barely treading water?
08-20-2002, 08:08 PM
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But acura DIDNT invest money in it, a private company did.
Which brings up the ? as to WHY they would even bother to build ONE and then not mass produce it. And i'm sure even to custom build that one costed tens and thousands of dollars.
Plus CL barely treading on water has nothing to do with THIS SPECIFIC kit cos its only for this gen CL. Meaning if a next-gen CL was to come, they would have to go back to the drawing boards and start from scratch.
Which brings up the ? as to WHY they would even bother to build ONE and then not mass produce it. And i'm sure even to custom build that one costed tens and thousands of dollars.
Plus CL barely treading on water has nothing to do with THIS SPECIFIC kit cos its only for this gen CL. Meaning if a next-gen CL was to come, they would have to go back to the drawing boards and start from scratch.
08-20-2002, 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by shaHn78
Guys, all that guy said was he'll 'ask honda accessories why they're not making the sema cl kit'... i dont know whether thats good enough to start celebrating. Be optimistic but dont hold ur breathe.
The way i see it - the company that designed that sema kit should be coming after US if they wanted to sell their kit. I'm still troubled as to why they havent offered that to the public. Cos, after all, why would any company put in time and effort and money into something to show off to the public than NOT offer it.
It just seems like bad business or am i missing something here ??
Guys, all that guy said was he'll 'ask honda accessories why they're not making the sema cl kit'... i dont know whether thats good enough to start celebrating. Be optimistic but dont hold ur breathe.
The way i see it - the company that designed that sema kit should be coming after US if they wanted to sell their kit. I'm still troubled as to why they havent offered that to the public. Cos, after all, why would any company put in time and effort and money into something to show off to the public than NOT offer it.
It just seems like bad business or am i missing something here ??
08-20-2002, 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by shaHn78
Guys, all that guy said was he'll 'ask honda accessories why they're not making the sema cl kit'... i dont know whether thats good enough to start celebrating. Be optimistic but dont hold ur breathe.
The way i see it - the company that designed that sema kit should be coming after US if they wanted to sell their kit. I'm still troubled as to why they havent offered that to the public. Cos, after all, why would any company put in time and effort and money into something to show off to the public than NOT offer it.
It just seems like bad business or am i missing something here ??
And if they're NOW gonna start offering it all of the sudden then they have got to be the stupidest businessmen i've ever met.
To me, it just seems like they dont wanna mass produce it for whatever the reason and want to tease us with it
...
But acura DIDNT invest money in it, a private company did.
Which brings up the ? as to WHY they would even bother to build ONE and then not mass produce it. And i'm sure even to custom build that one costed tens and thousands of dollars.
Plus CL barely treading on water has nothing to do with THIS SPECIFIC kit cos its only for this gen CL. Meaning if a next-gen CL was to come, they would have to go back to the drawing boards and start from scratch.
Guys, all that guy said was he'll 'ask honda accessories why they're not making the sema cl kit'... i dont know whether thats good enough to start celebrating. Be optimistic but dont hold ur breathe.
The way i see it - the company that designed that sema kit should be coming after US if they wanted to sell their kit. I'm still troubled as to why they havent offered that to the public. Cos, after all, why would any company put in time and effort and money into something to show off to the public than NOT offer it.
It just seems like bad business or am i missing something here ??
And if they're NOW gonna start offering it all of the sudden then they have got to be the stupidest businessmen i've ever met.
To me, it just seems like they dont wanna mass produce it for whatever the reason and want to tease us with it
...
But acura DIDNT invest money in it, a private company did.
Which brings up the ? as to WHY they would even bother to build ONE and then not mass produce it. And i'm sure even to custom build that one costed tens and thousands of dollars.
Plus CL barely treading on water has nothing to do with THIS SPECIFIC kit cos its only for this gen CL. Meaning if a next-gen CL was to come, they would have to go back to the drawing boards and start from scratch.
What can you do when Big H doesn't know the true PULSE of the 2nd gen CL community like we do?
And the burning million dollar question will be answered soon.
You guys are missing the boat, what if the kit reignites more CLS sales? And slumping CL sales could be one phenomenon, but yet CL owners are asking for Honda accessories to MAKE accessories.
Honestly, I don't think we can assume anything, because big H may not even know that they have a hidden dragon in their hands.
08-21-2002, 09:44 AM
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I doubt it will be mass produced since it hasn't been do so already. If I remember correctly, this wasnt a simple under body kit, but instead replaced entire stock body pieces. They're probably thinking that offering this product made out of a high quality material will be too costly for many CL owners to consider. Remember that members on this board who would spend lots of money to customize a kit for their cars are the minority. Even though, it would be nice to have the kit come out.
08-21-2002, 11:29 AM
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I doubt it will be mass produced since it hasn't been do so already. If I remember correctly, this wasnt a simple under body kit, but instead replaced entire stock body pieces. They're probably thinking that offering this product made out of a high quality material will be too costly for many CL owners to consider. Remember that members on this board who would spend lots of money to customize a kit for their cars are the minority. Even though, it would be nice to have the kit come out.
I doubt it will be mass produced since it hasn't been do so already. If I remember correctly, this wasnt a simple under body kit, but instead replaced entire stock body pieces. They're probably thinking that offering this product made out of a high quality material will be too costly for many CL owners to consider. Remember that members on this board who would spend lots of money to customize a kit for their cars are the minority. Even though, it would be nice to have the kit come out.
08-21-2002, 01:32 PM
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I think the bigger problem is the stagnant sales of the CL. If you were Acura would you invest money in a kit for a car whose sales are barely treading water?
I think the bigger problem is the stagnant sales of the CL. If you were Acura would you invest money in a kit for a car whose sales are barely treading water?
08-21-2002, 01:35 PM
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1,000 kits? that'd be like burning money... what do you do with 1000 kits tha DON'T sell? try to pawn them off as cool looking park benches? I don't tihnk any company in their right mind would make a kit for a car that isn't selling...
08-21-2002, 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by civic4982
1,000 kits? that'd be like burning money... what do you do with 1000 kits tha DON'T sell? try to pawn them off as cool looking park benches? I don't tihnk any company in their right mind would make a kit for a car that isn't selling...
1,000 kits? that'd be like burning money... what do you do with 1000 kits tha DON'T sell? try to pawn them off as cool looking park benches? I don't tihnk any company in their right mind would make a kit for a car that isn't selling...
We're the minority (CL enthusiasts willing to spend 1K+ for kit). Most CL owners I see leave their rides stock, not even aftermarket wheels.
Isn't the TL sold in Japan under the Inspire name, that's one reason for its kit existence. more potential customers. The Japs would even put kits on their minivans, ect...
CL is sold only in U.S. Even if 50% of members here bought a SEMA kit, that wouldn't prob. be enough customers for the Honda Acc. to consider ...
Why JTAutostyle made a CL kit: The big mouth kit came from the same ugly mode/design as from their previous kits for all their other cars, it was not specifically designed for the CL.
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Originally posted by shaHn78
Guys, all that guy said was he'll 'ask honda accessories why they're not making the sema cl kit'... i dont know whether thats good enough to start celebrating. Be optimistic but dont hold ur breathe.
The way i see it - the company that designed that sema kit should be coming after US if they wanted to sell their kit. I'm still troubled as to why they havent offered that to the public. Cos, after all, why would any company put in time and effort and money into something to show off to the public than NOT offer it.
It just seems like bad business or am i missing something here ??
Guys, all that guy said was he'll 'ask honda accessories why they're not making the sema cl kit'... i dont know whether thats good enough to start celebrating. Be optimistic but dont hold ur breathe.
The way i see it - the company that designed that sema kit should be coming after US if they wanted to sell their kit. I'm still troubled as to why they havent offered that to the public. Cos, after all, why would any company put in time and effort and money into something to show off to the public than NOT offer it.
It just seems like bad business or am i missing something here ??
08-21-2002, 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by acuraboy
the kit was engineered to be a one-off. production means more R&D time with regards to the kits effect on vehicle operations, driveability and many other warranty issues.
the kit was engineered to be a one-off. production means more R&D time with regards to the kits effect on vehicle operations, driveability and many other warranty issues.
Therefore, make car lower to the ground, lower front spoiler to make less air entering the front creating a vacumm (expansion tunnel) creating low pressure under the car = neg. lift or downforce.
When U buy those fugly bumper replacement kit (JTAutoSport for example), it would prob. mess up your aerodynamics.
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08-21-2002, 04:34 PM
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and now consider this dilemma...
making the front piece more effective = less air entering it = downforce etc. this also entails less air cooling of an already ailing transmission coolings system. could it be that the SEMA kit aggravates an already sensitive transmission issue?
making the front piece more effective = less air entering it = downforce etc. this also entails less air cooling of an already ailing transmission coolings system. could it be that the SEMA kit aggravates an already sensitive transmission issue?
08-21-2002, 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by acuraboy
and now consider this dilemma...
making the front piece more effective = less air entering it = downforce etc. this also entails less air cooling of an already ailing transmission coolings system. could it be that the SEMA kit aggravates an already sensitive transmission issue?
and now consider this dilemma...
making the front piece more effective = less air entering it = downforce etc. this also entails less air cooling of an already ailing transmission coolings system. could it be that the SEMA kit aggravates an already sensitive transmission issue?
I am no thermal expert, but faster air does cool/dissipates heat pretty good
08-21-2002, 05:16 PM
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very interesting...
but i wonder if the air is moving faster because u're trying force the same volume through a smaller hole or if u're actually exchanging a greater volume of air. u mentioned that less air would be entering under the car but that it leaves faster. u think that the speed of air egress could somehow compensate for fact that the lesser volume of air would heat up faster? did this make sense?
but i wonder if the air is moving faster because u're trying force the same volume through a smaller hole or if u're actually exchanging a greater volume of air. u mentioned that less air would be entering under the car but that it leaves faster. u think that the speed of air egress could somehow compensate for fact that the lesser volume of air would heat up faster? did this make sense?
08-21-2002, 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by acuraboy
very interesting...
but i wonder if the air is moving faster because u're trying force the same volume through a smaller hole or if u're actually exchanging a greater volume of air. u mentioned that less air would be entering under the car but that it leaves faster. u think that the speed of air egress could somehow compensate for fact that the lesser volume of air would heat up faster? did this make sense?
very interesting...
but i wonder if the air is moving faster because u're trying force the same volume through a smaller hole or if u're actually exchanging a greater volume of air. u mentioned that less air would be entering under the car but that it leaves faster. u think that the speed of air egress could somehow compensate for fact that the lesser volume of air would heat up faster? did this make sense?
Now, U do the same w/ a stream that's 4" deep & water flowing at 15mph. I very sure every part of the heat sink will get wet like the previous scenario above, but it will disipate heat much better.
Now there's only 2" of water flow below the heat sink, but that irrellivant.
Just my lamen interpretations of things, I could very well be wrong
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feel so enlightened...
i was thinking that the part of the stream not hitting the rad will still have some effect in cooling the part of the stream that DOES hit the rad. but the way u presented the scenario i suppose the effect is negligible.
uhm..nut what happens when the stream isn't moving and u're trapped in commuter traffic?
i was thinking that the part of the stream not hitting the rad will still have some effect in cooling the part of the stream that DOES hit the rad. but the way u presented the scenario i suppose the effect is negligible.
uhm..nut what happens when the stream isn't moving and u're trapped in commuter traffic?
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*HOT NEWS**************
I'm being invited to check the SEMA car out next week at their shop! And a meeting to talk about options for this kit. I am PUMPED!
So definitely, very positive news!!!!!!!!
{triple fist pump}
Will keep you guys posted.
So definitely, very positive news!!!!!!!!
{triple fist pump}
Will keep you guys posted.
08-30-2002, 02:13 AM
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Re: *HOT NEWS**************
Originally posted by KavexTrax
I'm being invited to check the SEMA car out next week at their shop! And a meeting to talk about options for this kit. I am PUMPED!
So definitely, very positive news!!!!!!!!
{triple fist pump}
Will keep you guys posted.
I'm being invited to check the SEMA car out next week at their shop! And a meeting to talk about options for this kit. I am PUMPED!
So definitely, very positive news!!!!!!!!
{triple fist pump}
Will keep you guys posted.
