I recently did (3) 0-100 runs with my CL against a new 6 speed.

Victory 3x by nearly 1/2 - 1 1/2 car lengths on each run with the 2001

Each run was from a stoplight using the signals as staging.

Each run had the same outcome.

In all 3 of the runs the 6 speed jumped 1/2 car off the light up until the shift point at the end of 1 st gear. Each of the 3 runs, my 2001 pulled ahead before the end of the 2-3 shift. I dont know the shift point s but obviously this guy should have won.

I asked to switch cars and he wouldnt try this. I truly wanted to see if it is the car or the driver. His launch and shifts sounded good but he couldnt hang with my second gear.
I have a CAI, springs and was running 2 gals of 100 ll with the rest 94 octane Sunoco Ambient temp was about 25 degrees. Each shift was done manual through the gate. Even with the traction loss on the 1-2 on the Auto,

Finally, after the last run wewhit a cloverleaf and the rest was History. I smoked him...Good thing we had traffic or I would have gotton killed after the end of 3rd gear....

Are you on this board yet?????

 

That makes me feel better about my 01'.

 

i 2nd that

 

Shitty Driver, and has the "03 been broken in yet? I betcha you could have done beter in the 6 speed than that guy.

 

Poor shifting ..... I would have smoked you.

 

You lucked out a good 6MT driver w/ a properly broken-in engine will not lose to the a 5EAT. Impossible. There is less drive train loss, open differential v. HLSD, rims are lighter and the, drive train is lighter. You had a CAI. Run the same mods and a good driver the 6MT should win.

 

Yeah.......what he said.

 

I agree. I wanted to drive his car to show him what a shitty driver he was......

 

I dont know Zap. I cant see a CAI and a poorely broken engine (which is completely hypothetical) making the difference.

 

It's amazing how everyone is such a perfect stick driver.......y'all must be like Nissan drivers.

 

I LOVE my Classy/Chromey 2001 !:P :P :P

 

 

That 6sp isn't broken in yet. Let the 6sp get about 5000 miles on it and try it again.

 

It has nothing to do with the car being broken in or not...!:shakehd:



I guarantee you $1000, put me in the drivers seat of a 03 six speed and you'd be staring at my taillights ALL 3 RUNS.

 

 

It has everything to do with the car being broken in. When my car had 500 miles on it wasn't that quick. When I got about 5000 miles on it before CAI it was way faster. Most cars aren't fully broken in until about 20000-30000 miles. There is a night and day difference between a broken in car VS. one that isn't.

 

you're right, mine is close to 3000 and feels much better than when it had 4 miles

 

No there isn't.


Look at any Road & track or motor trend long term test, and compare the new 0-60 and 1/4 mile times against the 50K mile tests.

Its generally .2-.4MAX difference.


BTW, you don't know what speed is about. Get the headers, then we'll talk.

 

Manual transmissions don't always = faster cars!!!

 

The IS 300 is a good example of that. But the 6sp CL-S is faster than the auto.

 

I have also noticed a huge feeling of traction increase since I installed my Comptech springs last weekend....

More than handling the biggest increase in performance is in the lack of the front end lifting and diving when accelerating and braking...

 

I agree.
I didn’t buy mine for slightly faster 0-60 or stoplight drag times, I bought it for more fun on the twisty roads by my house and for better all around control of the car.

PLUS IT’S SO GOSH DARN FUN TO DRIVE !!!!!!!

Shawn S

 

it makes sense if you think about it... the raked springs tilt the weight distrubtion towards the front more... which helps a FWD car with traction and launching issues.

i see the broken in car gaining about .2 secs... the CAI adding another .1 sec and the bad/unagressive stick driver with bad launch technique losing another .3-.4 seconds. That's about .7 total which more than makes up the .5 second difference between the stock 6mt and 5auto.

 

Since you did all this math, why even race now that we know the outcome

I'll just wait for Shawn to bring his to the track and post his timeslips.

 

i am still happy about my 2001 cls..if i have a chance to buy a 2003 cls..i will still buy auto..why..because it is not really a sport car..i treat it as a lexury coupe....it should be easy to drive..relax and powerful..that is why i buy cls..so what do u guys think..fwd is not always a good handling sports car..especially when at cornering....that is why...all the super sports cars are RWD or even some are AWD (with different torque distribution at front wheels and rear wheels..such as Lambourghini diablo and porsche 911 turbo..)that is what i just thought..

 

Was that at the dealer ?? I wanna join

 

at least i contributed an opinion on the issue instead of spouting out constant streams of bullshit like you do, jerkoff

 

 

yup, especially with the nasty weight balance of our vehicles. And the fact that all of the weight transfers to the rear during a launch. Not very helpful on a FWD car. So launching might be close... but ...

The manual should put more power to the wheels. And pull harder giving it an advantage. IMO.

 

two to four cars lenghts to me is a big difference IMO... But thats just me...

 

get mods first and talk:P

 

:P

 

Geeze look at the auto drivers getting big balls all of a sudden. Remember the 6MT has less drive train loss dummy. He doesn't need mods to catch up to you, rather you will need mods to catch up to him.

 

Baehaeh on what planet??????? If both cars have the same setup and one is manual an one is auto, the manual should win. Of course if you have a crappy driver than the auto will win but you're statement is completely wrong.

Look at Car and Driver. Whether their times are inflated or to slow, the difference between the auto and manual is distinct. The magazine will take the best time for each drivetrain using a variety of techniques includeing slipping, dumping the clutch and brake torqueing.

 

MTs aren't always faster than their auto counterparts. Sometimes they change the gearing or the car is so powerful that its VERY difficult to manually shift prefectly. But given the same engine, gear ratios, etc. the MT will be faster. And in the case of the CL-S, the MT should definitely be faster since its 60 lbs lighter and geared very aggressively compared to the AT.

 

Agreed. The differences between the 5EAT and the 6MT are in the gear ratios. Although the final drive ratio is lower for the 6MT the rest of the gearing much more aggressive. Since the 6speed is a manual and has HLSD it will inherently launch better and thus over come the final drive ratio advantage that the 5AT offers.

 

this thread is gonna hit 10 pages...its just one of those threads.

 

thanks for the public service announcement.

 

Very few 6mt drivers are gonna equal the times of Car And Drivers professional writers times. By the way, many cars particularly turbo charged cars are quicker with the auto due to loss of boost.

 

I agree but then what's the point of comparing auto v. manual???? I think the point i am making and most others are making is that all things being equal the 6MT will win. Even I can recognize that any car can win against another car but i don't believe that is the crux of this debate that seems to come up every once in a while. I'll take it from the experts who say that the 6MT is about .5 tenths faster than the auto. Mdaniel makes a good point that some manuals with lots of power are VERY difficult to launch but i don't see that the 6MT being one of those cars.

The car doesn't need to be driven perfectly. It's straight line acceleration. Only tricky part will be the launch but the HLSD will help with that. Once the car gets moving then it's just moving the clutch in and out and getting the car into the right gear. Now, if the diver is completely babying the car and waiting loads of time between the time he pushes the clutch in, changes gears and lets the clutch out again then you will see the 5EAT win.