Kahn Man

I have been a long time quiet reader of this board, but I thought this might be of interest

A good friend of mine is a clutch engineer for LuK Clutches in Ohio, working on guess what clutch! Anyway according to him, the CL 6 Speed that is coming out in Spring '02 is going to have 295hp.

Doesn't know the mechanics of how they are acheiving a 35hp gain, or whether it will be a limited production Type Something-Else, but 295hp is what they are engineering to.

Here's the transcipt of out IM. Seems like something secret is in the works.

JG: 6 speed with 295HP will come out early 2002

Me: Great. I'm glad I have an automatic with 260

JG: automatic, HA!

Me: What are they doing to get 295 hp? And what happens to the 260 hp car?

JG: I'm not sure if the auto will stay at 260 or not...not sure about what they're doing to get 295 either. I just know that's what they are designing for

Me: But the 2002s are already out

JG: yeah, but with manuals?

Me: No, but 35 hp is a big jump

JG: I'm not sure, man.

Me: I wonder if it'll be some sort of limited edition or something

JG: I don't know, but there's been no special badging on the cars we've seen, but they keep taping over the headlights...that the only aspect that remains hidden, though

patsmere

35 hp do I hear Headers. Wow Honda/Acura doesnt play. Take that Nissan :P I think I'm gonna say bye bye auto CL hello Manual

provench

Well - umm - gee - HOLY CRAPOLA ! Me thinks a it was a good idea to be #1 on the waiting list at my local Acura dealership. Worst case is a CLS+6-speed .... better case ... well a 35HP at engine boost as well.

They better have some nice wheels and tires ready to match as the stock CLS tires would evaporate !!

Zapata

well, let's hope this is true. Acura Cl- Type S. As big dan would say, WHOA and Holy Smokes! ! Could this be the beautifal head of Mugen rearing it's head?????????/

EricL

They do keep two different engines for the NSX manual vs. the NSX auto. Then there are the subtle differences in cams, valves, etc between the earlier NSX (auto and manual)...

They could IMPROVE the gas flow in the current CLS exhaust manifold *or* put on the headers...

How many times has someone said, "Hey, how much HP does that thing have?" (Not, how is the power-to-weight and can I look at your torque curve...)

spiroh

Hey man im from skokie. How old are you?

Crazy Bimmer

I know its friday, but dont try to find a date on the board!! :P :P

mackdaddy

Great. Just when mines coming together! Oh well, I should be around that figure anyway. From the Comptech dyno chart I've seen, the headers alone make ~25 more HP (crank) at Acura's now stated 260HP peak. My math tell's me that's ~285HP peak crank HP (local bragging rights.) Add the AEM CAI, and RES for some nice bottom end / mid range, and I've got it goin on too!

I really don't mind the slushbox for the day-day commute. Knock on wood my trans holds out.

Jim

PS - Good Post. Great inside info.

JZ

All right. Now we get to recalculate hypothetical horsepower figures: (and, for the sake of fun, let's pretned they are getting extra ponies from something that works in conjunction with our current mods)

Stock: 295-12% loss=260whp
Headers: 28whp
Intake: 8whp
pulleys: 5whp
Exhaust: 2whp
MMod: 15whp
MMod #2?: 10whp


Now, if we add all of those up we have a car that would put somewhere in the range of 328 ponies to the front wheels. Whoa.

I'll let someone else go out on a limb for 1/4 mile times.

Shawn S

If this is true that would be great, but isn’t anyone the least bit curious about the source ???
A member with the name "Kahn Man" who has a SINGLE post to his name.

My apologies in advance if this is verified.

Shawn S

Scorpius

Isn't the NSX 290hp? Couldn't they do a little tweaking to get +5, and stick that in there? What wer need now are spy photos and leaked data. Of course who is willing to put their job on the line with the economy the way it is.


Kahn... as in Kahn Noonian Singh?

Kahn Man

23. Niles West. Dean Erickson.

chrw

Um, I'm probably wrong but just because they're designing a clutch to handle 295hp, does that mean the 6-sp will necessarily have 295hp?

Maybe it'll be a 260hp 5-speed, but they design the clutch for 295hp cause Acura knows people will mod the car and add hp...

I don't pretend to know Acura's intentions or anything like that, and I hope I'm wrong and that the 03CL will have 295hp, but I was just thinking about how manufacturers usually build things to handle more than their capability...

Just my .02

JZ

Don't worry Shawn, I think we're all just suspending disbelief right now. I would like to believe this is true, so I will. Either way it doesn't make any difference to me since I won't be trading in anytime soon.

mackdaddy

JZ - Let's hope they do something other than re-worked exhaust manifolds. Somthing, shall we say "bolts on our engines" for a song! That would be truely cool of Acura. Give us folks a chance to gain a bit with OE parts, instead of relying on the aftermarket world for everything (anything for that matter!)

Your goods are on the way.... not to disrupt this excellent post.

Jim

ComptechType-S

HMMMMMM

EricL

Sorry, the NSX has a 90-degree DOHC V6 vs. our more "compact" 60-degree SOHC V6 engine.

JZ

You would hope that a clutch for a 260hp car would be capable of handling way more than 295 HP. Isn't the clutch for the s2000 rated to handle way more hp than the stock car has? (like 400hp or something I remember reading)

Kahn Man

Yeah. That's me. I have nothing better to do than raise the hopes of Acura owners and make up fictious dialogs with myself. Take it for what it's worth otherwise I really don't need the insult.

spiroh

22 Niles North. Spiro. Im sure you went to school with my cousins though.

Shawn S

Like I said: I apologize in advance if this is confirmed.

Shawn S

typeR

not to add fuel to the fire but....remember my friend J.C. that worked at ohio R&D he said out of the blue he didnt like the blacked out headlight as in the reason the lights are taped....though he mado mention wouldnt self leveling projector HID be sweet

EricL

Well, there are some folks that come along an enjoy a good joke...

6cents:

Some alternatives (as long as its Friday) -- the 295 HP is around the power that the engine makes with "commonly" available upgrades. If someone were going to "spec" a clutch, wouldn't it make sense to have it at least take the amount of power that the intended audience would be putting out?

I wonder how many members here would get the 6-speed, only to pass on the headers, intake, and upcoming RES?

(Then there is the possibility of rivalry between the “bottom-line” people vs. enthusiasts/designers…)

Zapata

why would i have to bypass the intake, headers and RES?

provench

Yeah - I can't imagine "engineered to 295" would mean at 296HP it will break. For example - did they engineer our sportshift auto tranny to 295? Maybe that is the problem

Kahn Man

Believe me, that was my initial thought too. That's why I posted the discussion I had with the guy. I work for a auto supplier too (Federal-Bankrupcty-Mogul). My assumption is that 295 was the number spec'ed out for the clutch design possibly with a peak hp number higher. We always go by the real engine hp and design based on whatever cusion we need above that to stay safe. He seemed pretty sure that it was in fact different than the current 260 design.

I'll try to get some more concrete info.

EricL

Pass, as in "Take a pass" OR "I would like to pass on it"

(Also not to be confused with passing on... )

Thai95LCoupe

Dont quote me but in 2003 they said they were supposed to make a V12 NSX to really get down w/ the likes of porsche, aston martin and thoes toys... So 295hp for a CL-Type what ever would be reasonable...:P

provench

I posted on:

http://www.acura-tl.com/forum/showth...threadid=27914

Check out the response ... 3.5L engine would do it ...

Scooter

im surprised noone really talked bout the tranny yet

in all honesty, would u b willing to get a tranny built for a 225HP engine in a 295HP 6-speed?? i personally am getting a bit worried that the tranny isn't re-designed for our specific specs, but that's just me...it's a 50/50 shot for us, they may hold up, they may not...if i was in the position of owning the 6-speed, i would seriously hate having my tranny bitch out on my once a year cuz it can't handle the engine.

my take on it.

Zapata

NICE!!!!!

EricL

Sure, and the costs and weight would remain about the same...

(A parallel track with the NSX manual 3.2 L vs. NSX auto 3.0L engines/tranny combos)

Who really knows...

Prediction:

Next topic: How much power will the new 3.5L make with all the goodies

Topic after that: How fast will that 3.5L manual with all the goodies run the 1/4 mile and 0..60

typeR

just to set the record straight..I was one of the first to pose the question base losely on the fact when the NSX first received its manual it got bumped from 3.0 to 3.2 with a hp increase as well...i hope this person isnt taken what i wished for and converted it to fact...??

EricL

Elaborate -- please

typeR

i had all along been saying, what if we get a 3.5 because the NSX got bumped ...here and at TL i hope the person at tl hasnt converted what i have wished for out loud on these boards to fact>>>>>

tankmonkey

to which built-for-225hp 6 speed manual tranny in honda/acura's inventory are you referring?

Scorpius

I understnad, but couldn't the engine compartment be modified to accomidate a bigger engine? After these are the people who designed the thing to begin with. Also, Like the other guy said, Mr. Kahn comes in here from outer space and blurts this out. I'll believe it when I see it.

EricL

There are people who drop V8s into VW buses. Anything is possible.

We're talking $$$

Zapata

Bahaheaeh!!!! On the way to the gym I running through numbers in my head. I"m like shit, 295 stock, +CAI=303+headers=330+RES=340+pullies=345......i nearly wet myself and then I came back to reality because who really knows what the new CLS will be 260 HP with the same torque lacking engine that we have now Just have to wait and see. I'm glad your around to keep this board at some point of sanity.

BTW, has anybody queried the PAA guys about the latest information??????

Red Rider

That would give them a new model, the 3.5 CL-S.