2001 CL-s VS. Mustang GT
09-02-2004, 12:28 PM
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2001 CL-s VS. Mustang GT
I was going down the highway as i hear a rather loud mustang , i notice the GT badge and realizing it probably has flow masters 40 series or so.. I pass him and slow down in front of him , he flashes his lights i pull aside and let him start ( were rolling at about 60) he guns it i follow behind he slightly pulled away but it was about even the entire time. I thought i would have taken a GT although im not sure what was under his hood im sure of nothing significant. Im running stock with AEM cold air intake. ( with aem tru-power pulleys on the way).. Did he probably have other mods i was unaware of or is this typical? thanks---MB
09-02-2004, 12:44 PM
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What year GT? 96-98 or 99+?
If you only have an intake i'll assume it was just the 96-98 model. Get some headers and you'll come out on top.
Also don't expect any gains from the AEM pulleys as they're all for show. Its the UR Crank pulley that will show some results.
If you only have an intake i'll assume it was just the 96-98 model. Get some headers and you'll come out on top.
Also don't expect any gains from the AEM pulleys as they're all for show. Its the UR Crank pulley that will show some results.
09-02-2004, 01:00 PM
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get headers, i got my AW headers and will be putting them in on fri (tomorrow)AEM tru power pulleys =
for show only.UR pulleys will give you gains but there have been some controversy about premature bearing wear.
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09-02-2004, 11:51 PM
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2nd gen? Like 71-74? 
Was it the newer style with the sharp lines or the previous bodystyle with rounded corners etc?
99+ GT 5 speed's trap at 98mph, so they will definitely beat a stock or even a modded CL-S. I ran my dad's bone stock 00 GT 5 speed to a 14.2 @ 98mph. There are %at CL-S' that have I/H/E that dont run that, let alone keep up with a GT that is modded.
Was it the newer style with the sharp lines or the previous bodystyle with rounded corners etc?
99+ GT 5 speed's trap at 98mph, so they will definitely beat a stock or even a modded CL-S. I ran my dad's bone stock 00 GT 5 speed to a 14.2 @ 98mph. There are %at CL-S' that have I/H/E that dont run that, let alone keep up with a GT that is modded.
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09-03-2004, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jtkz13
2nd gen? Like 71-74?
Was it the newer style with the sharp lines or the previous bodystyle with rounded corners etc?
99+ GT 5 speed's trap at 98mph, so they will definitely beat a stock or even a modded CL-S. I ran my dad's bone stock 00 GT 5 speed to a 14.2 @ 98mph. There are %at CL-S' that have I/H/E that dont run that, let alone keep up with a GT that is modded.
Was it the newer style with the sharp lines or the previous bodystyle with rounded corners etc?
99+ GT 5 speed's trap at 98mph, so they will definitely beat a stock or even a modded CL-S. I ran my dad's bone stock 00 GT 5 speed to a 14.2 @ 98mph. There are %at CL-S' that have I/H/E that dont run that, let alone keep up with a GT that is modded.
09-03-2004, 01:13 PM
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of course, exhaust doesn't do much for a cl-s.
09-03-2004, 02:03 PM
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exhaust nets like 2-3whp at max...its pointless. Our car already has a free-flowing exhaust, so if you get aftermarket exhaust, it's mainly for the look and sound.
09-03-2004, 04:02 PM
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good, those are for looks only as well.
your next upgrade should be headers.
your next upgrade should be headers.
09-05-2004, 12:07 PM
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Take these into consideration.
Was it rounded mostly?? -94-98
Boxy looking ?? - 99+
Regardless of which year, you should have whopped a pre 99. I would somewhat agree with being even with him, but I would think you'd pull ahead. GT's only get at it in the begining, if you started at around 60 mph, I think you should have taken him, but not significantly. Your redline is high, and Ford's top end is garbage (unless its mod'd to hell of course). If it was a stock GT 99 / manual Vs. a CL-S with AEM intake (stick? auto? tiptronic? <--sorry i don't know what acura calls it) , I would have bet my $$ on you (assuming you rolled from a 60mph (which would be mabye 3rd gear?) Anyways, good race.
Was it rounded mostly?? -94-98
Boxy looking ?? - 99+
Regardless of which year, you should have whopped a pre 99. I would somewhat agree with being even with him, but I would think you'd pull ahead. GT's only get at it in the begining, if you started at around 60 mph, I think you should have taken him, but not significantly. Your redline is high, and Ford's top end is garbage (unless its mod'd to hell of course). If it was a stock GT 99 / manual Vs. a CL-S with AEM intake (stick? auto? tiptronic? <--sorry i don't know what acura calls it) , I would have bet my $$ on you (assuming you rolled from a 60mph (which would be mabye 3rd gear?) Anyways, good race.
09-07-2004, 07:31 PM
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I'd like to race a modded CLS from a roll. My 'stang only has gears & exhaust as power mods. I trap the same as alot of auto's with headers, so it wont be a even race even for a modded CL-S.
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Originally Posted by jtkz13
I'd like to race a modded CLS from a roll. My 'stang only has gears & exhaust as power mods. I trap the same as alot of auto's with headers, so it wont be a even race even for a modded CL-S.
GT's are very fast even stock. dont let that 260 stock fool you. they have a good powerband, and a redline of 6k rpms.
for an auto, you need at least i/h to keep up, a pulley would edge the gt out.
for a stick, you need headers imo to keep up, an intake would give the edge to the cls. any more than that and its not a fair race for a stock gt. also, the outcome will change from a stop. from a roll, what i have said so far should be about right.
gt's are really quick even in auto form! however, the auto will be destroyed at 90 mph and above, as 4th is really weak in that car. this is based on my experience with the GS4 and 2 auto stangs, 02 and 03. after 90, i would pull away like they are stopped.
09-08-2004, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jtkz13
300lb ft is not "insane tq". A Viper has insane torque, GT's just have a useable power curve.
what is insane torque? S600....
09-08-2004, 10:05 PM
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I'd say an AMG SL65 has insane torque, like 700ft lbs 
My mustang is making 250wtq at 2000rpm, which makes for great driveability. I can pass with authority on the expressway without downshifting, and I dont have to shift higher than 3k rpm and still have very usuable power. My Mustang makes more tq at 1700rpm than my CL-S6 does at the flywheel at its peak. They both make about the same hp at the wheels, but look at the track times for each.
I;m trying to make it sound like my Mustang is even that fast, cuz its not really. If it had the top end charge like my CL-S without losing any low ned tq it would easily run 12's.
My mustang is making 250wtq at 2000rpm, which makes for great driveability. I can pass with authority on the expressway without downshifting, and I dont have to shift higher than 3k rpm and still have very usuable power. My Mustang makes more tq at 1700rpm than my CL-S6 does at the flywheel at its peak. They both make about the same hp at the wheels, but look at the track times for each.
I;m trying to make it sound like my Mustang is even that fast, cuz its not really. If it had the top end charge like my CL-S without losing any low ned tq it would easily run 12's.
09-08-2004, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jtkz13
I'd like to race a modded CLS from a roll. My 'stang only has gears & exhaust as power mods. I trap the same as alot of auto's with headers, so it wont be a even race even for a modded CL-S.
i'll catch ya at the track one day
09-10-2004, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by power3dfx
they have a good powerband, and a redline of 6k rpms.
for an auto, you need at least i/h to keep up, a pulley would edge the gt out.
for an auto, you need at least i/h to keep up, a pulley would edge the gt out.
09-10-2004, 10:52 PM
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A new GT 99-04 runs at 260 hp and will more than likely not be alot faster than a CL or TL type S. If the Mustang driver has a stick and can drive He should win. It is only made to haul *&@. No luxury or nothing and less weight due to nice things like sunroofs
09-11-2004, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Cobra(ed) up
A new GT 99-04 runs at 260 hp and will more than likely not be alot faster than a CL or TL type S. If the Mustang driver has a stick and can drive He should win. It is only made to haul *&@. No luxury or nothing and less weight due to nice things like sunroofs
09-11-2004, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by moonraker
dude youre all over the racing section gloating about your ford pride. i know you have a ford and obviously love them and defend them thats fine... but dont come in here dissin all the stories etc... just not cool. our cars also have 260hp at the crank.. yes we're prob a bit heavier and yes we have fwd so youll get us on the launch but other than that its not some big difference. i mean cmon man dont be ignorant. you can find lots of stories of ppl hangin with and barely beatin gt's, especially 6speeds (stock for stock). our cls' arent sports cars like stangs so give it a rest tryin to argue against every other thread on here. not tryin to be an ass but youre seriously makin waves for no reason
points for you
09-12-2004, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by power3dfx
ill take you up on that offer, but my car is a modded tls! j/k
GT's are very fast even stock. dont let that 260 stock fool you. they have a good powerband, and a redline of 6k rpms.
for an auto, you need at least i/h to keep up, a pulley would edge the gt out.
for a stick, you need headers imo to keep up, an intake would give the edge to the cls. any more than that and its not a fair race for a stock gt. also, the outcome will change from a stop. from a roll, what i have said so far should be about right.
gt's are really quick even in auto form! however, the auto will be destroyed at 90 mph and above, as 4th is really weak in that car. this is based on my experience with the GS4 and 2 auto stangs, 02 and 03. after 90, i would pull away like they are stopped.
GT's are very fast even stock. dont let that 260 stock fool you. they have a good powerband, and a redline of 6k rpms.
for an auto, you need at least i/h to keep up, a pulley would edge the gt out.
for a stick, you need headers imo to keep up, an intake would give the edge to the cls. any more than that and its not a fair race for a stock gt. also, the outcome will change from a stop. from a roll, what i have said so far should be about right.
gt's are really quick even in auto form! however, the auto will be destroyed at 90 mph and above, as 4th is really weak in that car. this is based on my experience with the GS4 and 2 auto stangs, 02 and 03. after 90, i would pull away like they are stopped.
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