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05-20-2005, 01:01 PM
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** E-manage support thread **
for those with e-manage i have acouple questions i want to clear up.
1. are you able to read your absolute pressure in the data analysis or real time display when the boost limiter cut setting is switch on?
2. if not, how are you able to make the correct fuel adjustments when the car is in boost?
3. when tuning the car, does the fuel table read anything above 0 pressure?
the reason why i ask is because when i'm looking at my data analysis it reads 0 psi. this led me to think that the fuel table is missing a critical piece of infomation to make the right corrections. maybe that is why some are having problems with their e-manage.
i know that greddy offers a secondary map senors that goes into the back of the main unit. this might be what's missing in scalbert's kit.
1. are you able to read your absolute pressure in the data analysis or real time display when the boost limiter cut setting is switch on?
2. if not, how are you able to make the correct fuel adjustments when the car is in boost?
3. when tuning the car, does the fuel table read anything above 0 pressure?
the reason why i ask is because when i'm looking at my data analysis it reads 0 psi. this led me to think that the fuel table is missing a critical piece of infomation to make the right corrections. maybe that is why some are having problems with their e-manage.
i know that greddy offers a secondary map senors that goes into the back of the main unit. this might be what's missing in scalbert's kit.
05-20-2005, 08:31 PM
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i am unable to see it when boost limiter is on. i can only see pressure when it is off. which leads me to think that either my e-manage isn't working right, or everyone who is tuning their car with problems isn't getting the correct info from the fuel map or is tuning their car with the ecu seeing boost. that may account for the low whp #'s.
will you check your real time data to see if your is the same way. try switching boost limiter on and off.
just trying to solve a problem so future e-manage user won't get in the same bind.
will you check your real time data to see if your is the same way. try switching boost limiter on and off.
just trying to solve a problem so future e-manage user won't get in the same bind.
05-20-2005, 10:48 PM
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Umm, even with the boost cut set, I can still see the full range of the pressures and adjustments being made by the E-Manage ("E"). My guess would be that there is a crkt problem or the E is not working correctly.
Regardless of where the voltage is set to be clamped by the boost cut, you should be able to see the pressures.
The E should see the input MAP voltage, use this info, then clamp it on the way out so the computer doesn't set a code.
Regardless of where the voltage is set to be clamped by the boost cut, you should be able to see the pressures.
The E should see the input MAP voltage, use this info, then clamp it on the way out so the computer doesn't set a code.
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05-21-2005, 10:39 PM
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got it to work now. i didn't have the pressure sensor input box checked, only absolute pressure. 
i guess you need both to get a reading.
did a run and was able to reach .6 bar or 8.82 psi.
no pinging and the car pulled really hard.
gonna get it tuned next week and see how much hp is getting to the ground.
i guess you need both to get a reading.did a run and was able to reach .6 bar or 8.82 psi.
no pinging and the car pulled really hard. gonna get it tuned next week and see how much hp is getting to the ground.
05-22-2005, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bigguyonbike
got it to work now. i didn't have the pressure sensor input box checked, only absolute pressure. i guess you need both to get a reading.
did a run and was able to reach .6 bar or 8.82 psi. no pinging and the car pulled really hard.
gonna get it tuned next week and see how much hp is getting to the ground.
i guess you need both to get a reading.did a run and was able to reach .6 bar or 8.82 psi.
no pinging and the car pulled really hard. gonna get it tuned next week and see how much hp is getting to the ground.
YOO, 8.8 psi what WHP are u pushing and i thought u had the pdg 01 cls auto. if so thats impressive, may be they could handle more than what ppl originally thought.
05-22-2005, 07:18 PM
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we serioulsy need to get an e-mange thread going... and all help eachother, since there tech support sucks ass...
All the e-manage guys use this thread to post questions and help eachother...
I will keep it cleaned up and on topic.
All the e-manage guys use this thread to post questions and help eachother...
I will keep it cleaned up and on topic.
05-23-2005, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by poisx7
YOO, 8.8 psi what WHP are u pushing and i thought u had the pdg 01 cls auto. if so thats impressive, may be they could handle more than what ppl originally thought.
also the tranny is holding up pretty good. it was acting up for about a month, but last week i got all the fluids flushed and is shifting perfect again.
that it stays that way.
05-23-2005, 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Smitty
we serioulsy need to get an e-mange thread going... and all help eachother, since there tech support sucks ass...
All the e-manage guys use this thread to post questions and help eachother...
I will keep it cleaned up and on topic.
All the e-manage guys use this thread to post questions and help eachother...
I will keep it cleaned up and on topic.
05-23-2005, 07:12 AM
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Don't know if this will help you guys, but at yahoo there is a group that answers questions about emanage. here is the link. http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/emanage/
05-23-2005, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bigguyonbike
got it to work now. i didn't have the pressure sensor input box checked, only absolute pressure. i guess you need both to get a reading.
did a run and was able to reach .6 bar or 8.82 psi. no pinging and the car pulled really hard.
gonna get it tuned next week and see how much hp is getting to the ground.
i guess you need both to get a reading.did a run and was able to reach .6 bar or 8.82 psi.
no pinging and the car pulled really hard. gonna get it tuned next week and see how much hp is getting to the ground.
For some reason I just noticed the thread
. Yep, make sure to check input box in order to view the desired value in REAL TIME screen.
This is typically what's important to me in it when I'm driving.
BTW, are all of you guys running with boost cut set to 2.7V?
05-23-2005, 06:28 PM
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I run at 2.75V clamp. Need to play around with different voltages to see if it makes any difference. I think the stock MAP barfs at 2.9V or something.
4.2V absolute pressure reading is a LOT of boost... what does your boost guage say?
4.2V absolute pressure reading is a LOT of boost... what does your boost guage say?
05-23-2005, 11:20 PM
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i would be interested to see someone hook the emanage upto a non boosted Cl with all the bolt ons and see if the map sees any readings above the 2.9v threshold?
05-24-2005, 10:24 AM
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I run at 2.75V clamp. Need to play around with different voltages to see if it makes any difference. I think the stock MAP barfs at 2.9V or something.
4.2V absolute pressure reading is a LOT of boost... what does your boost guage say?
4.2V absolute pressure reading is a LOT of boost... what does your boost guage say?
I tried 2.75V and don't feel any difference. And CT set ESM to 2.9 on 6MT and 2.8 on 5AT/4AT. With ESM removed is there specific reason our E-Manage set to 2.7-2.75V vs. higher ESM settings?
With 4.22V pressure (WOT almost 100%) I usually see 10psi.
05-24-2005, 10:38 AM
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Also, did PnP testing last night and it's causing P1399.
a. Reset ECU.
b. Removed PnP along with E-Manage and ECU doesn't throw the code.
c. Lay the harness flat (per Smitty) reconnected E-Manage with PnP, reloaded map
d. Fired up and code showed up after 20 min of driving. Erased it (have OBDII scanner) came back up again while flashing bunch of times and went steady. Erased it again and didn't show up until got home. Turned off, turn back on and light shows up again.
The interesting part is that it doesn't really hinder performance. I feel the car performs the same with and without the code
but the light really bother me. So I conclude harness causing issue
a. Reset ECU.
b. Removed PnP along with E-Manage and ECU doesn't throw the code.
c. Lay the harness flat (per Smitty) reconnected E-Manage with PnP, reloaded map
d. Fired up and code showed up after 20 min of driving. Erased it (have OBDII scanner) came back up again while flashing bunch of times and went steady. Erased it again and didn't show up until got home. Turned off, turn back on and light shows up again.
The interesting part is that it doesn't really hinder performance. I feel the car performs the same with and without the code
but the light really bother me. So I conclude harness causing issue
05-24-2005, 11:46 AM
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Chemmech-- injector wire.
Serge-- lay the harness so the wires are UP.. lay the flat black plastic back of the PnP on the floor....
I contact Scalbert, but I have not had time to ship the PnP back to correct the problem.. this is interesting because it happened to us both.
Serge-- lay the harness so the wires are UP.. lay the flat black plastic back of the PnP on the floor....
I contact Scalbert, but I have not had time to ship the PnP back to correct the problem.. this is interesting because it happened to us both.
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correct... plug the yellow wires into your Factory ECU... and try and lay the back of the harness (the part wrapped in balck electrical tape) pointed DOWN to the floor of the car.
05-24-2005, 03:49 PM
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The E-manage is a few 1/10th V's off what the actual MAP reads (ground-reference reasons). But, assume 2.85V (E-manage indicates 0psi of boost).
4.22V ~= 10psi, so (4.22V - 2.85V)/10 = .137
So:
2.850V = 0psi
2.987V = 1psi
3.124V = 2psi
3.261V = 3psi
3.398V = 4psi
3.535V = 5psi
3.672V = 6psi
3.809V = 7psi
3.946V = 8psi
4.083V = 9psi
4.220V = 10psi
I think this scale is pretty accurate cuz I see anywhere from 3.60V to 3.70V which translates to ~6psi (correlates to my boost guage).
4.22V ~= 10psi, so (4.22V - 2.85V)/10 = .137
So:
2.850V = 0psi
2.987V = 1psi
3.124V = 2psi
3.261V = 3psi
3.398V = 4psi
3.535V = 5psi
3.672V = 6psi
3.809V = 7psi
3.946V = 8psi
4.083V = 9psi
4.220V = 10psi
I think this scale is pretty accurate cuz I see anywhere from 3.60V to 3.70V which translates to ~6psi (correlates to my boost guage).
05-24-2005, 04:25 PM
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speaking of voltage, why does comptech have two different setting for their ESM? (2.93v[6sp] and 2.84v[5at])
also, what would be the benefits of getting the voltage as close to 0psi as possible without causing the ECU to see boost?
also, what would be the benefits of getting the voltage as close to 0psi as possible without causing the ECU to see boost?
05-24-2005, 07:33 PM
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speaking of voltage, why does comptech have two different setting for their ESM? (2.93v[6sp] and 2.84v[5at])
also, what would be the benefits of getting the voltage as close to 0psi as possible without causing the ECU to see boost?
also, what would be the benefits of getting the voltage as close to 0psi as possible without causing the ECU to see boost?
05-24-2005, 10:15 PM
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It's your MAP clamp voltage. I need to think about what the effects are with the lower voltage, but I think the lower the voltage... the more timing that's taken away; or is it the other way 
05-25-2005, 03:21 AM
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^ no your right, that's what i was thinking too.
i'm guessing the 2 different voltage were used because 1. the ecu's are different or 2. two different MAP sensors were used with slightly different output.
i'm guessing the 2 different voltage were used because 1. the ecu's are different or 2. two different MAP sensors were used with slightly different output.
05-25-2005, 11:17 AM
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Right, 2.93V (ESM) is set on CL-S6 and 2.8V precisely set on CL-S, TL-S, AV6.
The difference has to do with automatic transmission vs manual recieving a signal from ECU. Would be interesting to play with 2.8V vs. current 2.7V on my car, however I believe it depends on fuel settings.
The difference has to do with automatic transmission vs manual recieving a signal from ECU. Would be interesting to play with 2.8V vs. current 2.7V on my car, however I believe it depends on fuel settings.
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Originally Posted by 02AV6
Right, 2.93V (ESM) is set on CL-S6 and 2.8V precisely set on CL-S, TL-S, AV6.
The difference has to do with automatic transmission vs manual recieving a signal from ECU. Would be interesting to play with 2.8V vs. current 2.7V on my car, however I believe it depends on fuel settings.
The difference has to do with automatic transmission vs manual recieving a signal from ECU. Would be interesting to play with 2.8V vs. current 2.7V on my car, however I believe it depends on fuel settings.
i will be testing the different voltages out on friday using a dynojet.
yours auto, correct?