Are the stock tires that bad?
11-08-2008, 05:49 PM
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Are the stock tires that bad?
Hi everyone,
I feel that the TSX is a little noisy as compared to other cars in its class. Is this due to the stock tires? I know on rough roads the tires are really noisy. Is the car more quieter with after-market / good tires?
Thanks for sharing your experience.
I feel that the TSX is a little noisy as compared to other cars in its class. Is this due to the stock tires? I know on rough roads the tires are really noisy. Is the car more quieter with after-market / good tires?
Thanks for sharing your experience.
11-08-2008, 10:40 PM
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still on my oem set and probably will be for another (17k miles)30k since they seem to wear so slowly. But i can tell you they suck for traction!!!!!!!!
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11-09-2008, 07:19 AM
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Thanks for your replies. IMO they don't have good traction and are very noisy. That was the whole point of me starting this thread.. just want to see how many people agree with me now!
11-09-2008, 01:29 PM
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yes, their traction is terrible.
and the road noise is also terrible.
not sure about wear, for I only put up with them for about 3,500 miles.
if you think the OEM tires have great traction, well frankly
you've never had nice tires.
I switched tires, but stayed with Michelin.
I now ride on Pilot Sport PS2's, and the difference is almost
unbelievable.
The stock tires suck both on dry and on wet roads.
They don't hold well on high speed turns, they slip and make
lots of noise. They're "greasy" for sure in the rain. I never trusted
them in the rain after I took a concrete off ramp I always used to take
at 60 mph (just one highway that leads to another highway) and the
car began to slightly lose traction.
I was actually kinda shocked at how bad the OEM tires were, all around.
now having the PS2's on the car, all of those concerns are gone.
I've pushed these tires far harder than the OEM ones, and they've passed
every test with flying colors. the OEM ones failed every test pretty badly.
so I guess if all you do is just drive on the interstate and you don't drive in
any sort of spirited manner, than the OEM tires would be adequate for you.
but for me, they're somewhat of a safety concern, they had to go.
and the road noise is also terrible.
not sure about wear, for I only put up with them for about 3,500 miles.
if you think the OEM tires have great traction, well frankly
you've never had nice tires.
I switched tires, but stayed with Michelin.
I now ride on Pilot Sport PS2's, and the difference is almost
unbelievable.
The stock tires suck both on dry and on wet roads.
They don't hold well on high speed turns, they slip and make
lots of noise. They're "greasy" for sure in the rain. I never trusted
them in the rain after I took a concrete off ramp I always used to take
at 60 mph (just one highway that leads to another highway) and the
car began to slightly lose traction.
I was actually kinda shocked at how bad the OEM tires were, all around.
now having the PS2's on the car, all of those concerns are gone.
I've pushed these tires far harder than the OEM ones, and they've passed
every test with flying colors. the OEM ones failed every test pretty badly.
so I guess if all you do is just drive on the interstate and you don't drive in
any sort of spirited manner, than the OEM tires would be adequate for you.
but for me, they're somewhat of a safety concern, they had to go.
11-09-2008, 03:42 PM
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yes, their traction is terrible.
and the road noise is also terrible.
not sure about wear, for I only put up with them for about 3,500 miles.
if you think the OEM tires have great traction, well frankly
you've never had nice tires.
I switched tires, but stayed with Michelin.
I now ride on Pilot Sport PS2's, and the difference is almost
unbelievable.
The stock tires suck both on dry and on wet roads.
They don't hold well on high speed turns, they slip and make
lots of noise. They're "greasy" for sure in the rain. I never trusted
them in the rain after I took a concrete off ramp I always used to take
at 60 mph (just one highway that leads to another highway) and the
car began to slightly lose traction.
I was actually kinda shocked at how bad the OEM tires were, all around.
now having the PS2's on the car, all of those concerns are gone.
I've pushed these tires far harder than the OEM ones, and they've passed
every test with flying colors. the OEM ones failed every test pretty badly.
so I guess if all you do is just drive on the interstate and you don't drive in
any sort of spirited manner, than the OEM tires would be adequate for you.
but for me, they're somewhat of a safety concern, they had to go.
and the road noise is also terrible.
not sure about wear, for I only put up with them for about 3,500 miles.
if you think the OEM tires have great traction, well frankly
you've never had nice tires.
I switched tires, but stayed with Michelin.
I now ride on Pilot Sport PS2's, and the difference is almost
unbelievable.
The stock tires suck both on dry and on wet roads.
They don't hold well on high speed turns, they slip and make
lots of noise. They're "greasy" for sure in the rain. I never trusted
them in the rain after I took a concrete off ramp I always used to take
at 60 mph (just one highway that leads to another highway) and the
car began to slightly lose traction.
I was actually kinda shocked at how bad the OEM tires were, all around.
now having the PS2's on the car, all of those concerns are gone.
I've pushed these tires far harder than the OEM ones, and they've passed
every test with flying colors. the OEM ones failed every test pretty badly.
so I guess if all you do is just drive on the interstate and you don't drive in
any sort of spirited manner, than the OEM tires would be adequate for you.
but for me, they're somewhat of a safety concern, they had to go.
Just wondering by how much did the noise reduce inside the car, was it by 2x or 3x? I guess it's hard to enjoy the car without good tires..
11-09-2008, 04:04 PM
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probably only by 2x.
it is certainly much quieter on the road noise issue, but not
quiet enough for my liking.
I'd like to never hear the tires, but that's still not the case.
our car isn't the best at noise insulation to begin with.
I'd like to improve the quietness of the cab somehow, maybe
with some strategically placed dynamat or something.
if I ever tear the car apart to do a custom interior, I'll line
the cab with dynamat.
it is certainly much quieter on the road noise issue, but not
quiet enough for my liking.
I'd like to never hear the tires, but that's still not the case.
our car isn't the best at noise insulation to begin with.
I'd like to improve the quietness of the cab somehow, maybe
with some strategically placed dynamat or something.
if I ever tear the car apart to do a custom interior, I'll line
the cab with dynamat.
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11-09-2008, 04:54 PM
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OP: Many here have said that for an all around decent all season tire, you could try out the Yokohama Avid V4S. They're definitely grippier than the stocks, but they aren't top of the line in terms of traction. Where they do excel, however, is road noise. If you search here on the forum you'll see many recommendations for these tires as they're very comfortable to ride on and are much quieter than the stock Michelins. Honestly, I think there are a lot of all season tires that are quieter than our pos stockies. I'm still waiting for mine to wear out.
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11-09-2008, 07:06 PM
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I have also yokohama avid V4S and I was shock to see the difference between those and the stock ones. They handle better, much more quieter and about the same life span. Of course they are 4 seasons radial and not I performance tire like the yoko advan. but for the price and if your are still riding your car on stock suspension they are pretty good.
11-09-2008, 10:09 PM
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I have also yokohama avid V4S and I was shock to see the difference between those and the stock ones. They handle better, much more quieter and about the same life span. Of course they are 4 seasons radial and not I performance tire like the yoko advan. but for the price and if your are still riding your car on stock suspension they are pretty good.
11-10-2008, 09:21 PM
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Every production car comes out of factory with the cheapest tires. Company wants to have some money left so they give u the cheapest tires. I had 03 Pontiac Vibe with 38 k miles and stock tires were worn out. So I bought new, soft ones. Difference was HUGE. Car was much quieter, better traction, softer ride. Same thing with these michelins.
11-14-2008, 11:57 AM
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I know the majority of you think the OEM tires are crap. I want to give my personal experience with them. Some of the previous brand tires I have owned: goodyear, bridgestone, michelin (energy), cooper, firestone, continental, and more. Owned vehicles with FWD,RWD, 4WD and AWD. With our 06 with the OEM tires we have been on 2 cross country road trips(13,000+miles total) covering all types of roads in all kinds of weather. Tires now have 65,256 miles (just came back from driving in a heavy downpour on a highway with traffic lights and a speed limit of 55-no problems driving with the so-called lousy tires. One more thing the car is totally stock-not lowered. Average 32,000+miles a year.
11-14-2008, 01:02 PM
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I'm thinking about getting these as well. I hate the road noise from the stock tires at highway speeds. How many miles do you have on the yoko's, and have they become any louder over time? Also, is the ride more comfortable? I often get a little queasy from the tight stock suspension our car has. I wouldn't mind a tiny bit softer ride but not at the complete expense of handling.
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11-14-2008, 01:20 PM
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I have also yokohama avid V4S and I was shock to see the difference between those and the stock ones. They handle better, much more quieter and about the same life span. Of course they are 4 seasons radial and not I performance tire like the yoko advan. but for the price and if your are still riding your car on stock suspension they are pretty good.
11-14-2008, 01:42 PM
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I have had the V4Ses for about 15000 miles. They aren't that good, IMHO. Noise was much better for the first few thousand miles, but now they're just as loud as the OEMs, if not louder. Traction is good, but the tires definitely flat spot when the car is parked overnight. They don't squeal as much as the OEMs, but I use snow tires through most of my bad weather, so I can't say for certain just how good the wet/snow traction is (probably better than OEM). Gas mileage is noticeably worse with the V4Ses than either the OEMs or my snow tires (10% worse). I will probably try a different tire when these are worn out.
12-12-2008, 10:33 AM
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All I have to say in this thread is they SUCK ASS. I've gone threw 2 sets. I now have a set of rims so I've put another brand. I only have 80,000 miles and only resently lowered the car around 72,000 miles where I went threw the 2 Mich.. tires.
12-12-2008, 08:26 PM
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I recently changed my OEM tries with winter ( i went with Michelin X-Ice for my spare rims) and they are noisy when compared to the OEM Tires..
I have 70K Miles on my car and the OEM Tires are still fine..!!!
I have 70K Miles on my car and the OEM Tires are still fine..!!!
12-23-2008, 09:30 AM
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Although it would have been preferred to go with a winter tire/summer tire, I don't have the space to store the extra set of rims. I had 55k on my stockers and the fronts were pretty bald. I never thought they were as bad as people said with regards to traction, but they were fairly noisy.
I read and heard good things about the Bridgestone Turanza with Serentity. Had pretty good grip in dry roads and they were very quiet. These things are not good on ice or snow, even though they seemed to be rated decent by reviewers. So bad that I was really bummed about spending $700 on something my wife would not even drive in the winter. Damn orange traction control light was gonna burn out with these tires.
Luckily Bridgestone has a 30 day buy and try thing, so back to the mfr they go. I'm going to try the Goodyear Assurance with Triple Tread and going a different route. Instead of quiet, I need some good winter grip and good summer grip. Guess I'll find out how noisy they are, but right now I need some traction and will take the tradeoff.
I read and heard good things about the Bridgestone Turanza with Serentity. Had pretty good grip in dry roads and they were very quiet. These things are not good on ice or snow, even though they seemed to be rated decent by reviewers. So bad that I was really bummed about spending $700 on something my wife would not even drive in the winter. Damn orange traction control light was gonna burn out with these tires.
Luckily Bridgestone has a 30 day buy and try thing, so back to the mfr they go. I'm going to try the Goodyear Assurance with Triple Tread and going a different route. Instead of quiet, I need some good winter grip and good summer grip. Guess I'll find out how noisy they are, but right now I need some traction and will take the tradeoff.
12-23-2008, 11:52 AM
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Possibly, but it's been so cold here lately that I wouldn't be able to say for sure. My commute in the summer is usually 29 mpg, winter is 26.5 mpg. I was getting 25.2 on my last tank with the Bridgestones. Most of the morning temps have been between -15 and 0 though, so this may be the real reason for the drop.
01-10-2009, 05:21 PM
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01-15-2009, 07:03 PM
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The tires are ok for OEM I suppose but I do lose traction from time to time. I don't floor it or anything but the traction could def be better. When it rains and I am turning and accelerating up a hill I kinda slide out but I get traction fast again but from time to time it's kinda annoying.
As for noise it isn't too bad since I am used to it. I suppose because the tires are a bit of a low profile type so of course the less rubber means the more noise and bumps in the road you will feel. Overall I can deal with them but it would be nice if they upgraded the traction control overall for me.
As for noise it isn't too bad since I am used to it. I suppose because the tires are a bit of a low profile type so of course the less rubber means the more noise and bumps in the road you will feel. Overall I can deal with them but it would be nice if they upgraded the traction control overall for me.
01-15-2009, 11:15 PM
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Anybody else get these tires. They seem to be top of the line but quite expensive...any deals out there....Also, for a nice set of tires and installation, what should I be paying roughly? I'm a newb when it comes to tires. Help!!
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I'm looking for some of u guys advise. My drive is spirited los hwy-city 60 mi during weekdays, I'm not an expert but I think the oem are noise, I'm in DFW with just a few days w/icy conditions no snow at all a good time of rain days. So I need a good advise to replace my tsx 05 2nd set of oem's.
02-02-2009, 12:49 AM
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02-27-2009, 02:36 PM
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i'm kinda on the fence on this one.
so far i have ~20,400 miles on these tires and the tread wear is even, noise doesn't bother me, and grip is adequate. i live in hawaii where i get summer weather nearly all year around. i do need wet weather grip during our "winters" since from about december to end of february we get crazy rain. i would go through summer tires too quickly since the pavement is hot most of the year. so a/s tires for me.
i have several "fun" on-ramps/exits i take where i can push the car a little bit - an incline/decline s-curve on-ramp, decline left turn double apex on-ramp, an incline right turn exit, and an incline right turn on-ramp that i like to push the car on. the stock tires definitely squeal and i have to make micro-adjustments since the tires slip and bite often. chassis feels like i can go a bit faster but its always the damn tires that slip and i lose confidence. there's also two stretches of highway thats straight enough i can go pretty fast on (tiny shoulder lane so no cops
). i've always felt safe when cruising fast in a straight line.
my conclusion - the tires are definitely not for spirited canyon carving driving.
having said that, stock michellin tires are in the "grand touring" category according to tirerack. its middle ground for everything. if you are the average driver/average consumer, the tire is more than adequate in terms of tread life (value), noise, comfort, and safety.
i live in hawaii so snow/ice is a non-issue; i can't comment on performance on such surfaces.
IMO, get new tires if you are into spirited driving, stick with the OEM's if "spirited" means going to the grocery store and long jaunts on straight highways...
i'm still deciding what i want as my next set of tires - bridgestones potenza RE960, dunlop SP sport signature, goodyear eagle gt, or yokohama AVID V4S (i might be getting new tires cuz my tires are getting eaten up everytime i go out to a client's construction site. hopefully company pays for it!)
so far i have ~20,400 miles on these tires and the tread wear is even, noise doesn't bother me, and grip is adequate. i live in hawaii where i get summer weather nearly all year around. i do need wet weather grip during our "winters" since from about december to end of february we get crazy rain. i would go through summer tires too quickly since the pavement is hot most of the year. so a/s tires for me.
i have several "fun" on-ramps/exits i take where i can push the car a little bit - an incline/decline s-curve on-ramp, decline left turn double apex on-ramp, an incline right turn exit, and an incline right turn on-ramp that i like to push the car on. the stock tires definitely squeal and i have to make micro-adjustments since the tires slip and bite often. chassis feels like i can go a bit faster but its always the damn tires that slip and i lose confidence. there's also two stretches of highway thats straight enough i can go pretty fast on (tiny shoulder lane so no cops
). i've always felt safe when cruising fast in a straight line.my conclusion - the tires are definitely not for spirited canyon carving driving.
having said that, stock michellin tires are in the "grand touring" category according to tirerack. its middle ground for everything. if you are the average driver/average consumer, the tire is more than adequate in terms of tread life (value), noise, comfort, and safety.
i live in hawaii so snow/ice is a non-issue; i can't comment on performance on such surfaces.
IMO, get new tires if you are into spirited driving, stick with the OEM's if "spirited" means going to the grocery store and long jaunts on straight highways...
i'm still deciding what i want as my next set of tires - bridgestones potenza RE960, dunlop SP sport signature, goodyear eagle gt, or yokohama AVID V4S (i might be getting new tires cuz my tires are getting eaten up everytime i go out to a client's construction site. hopefully company pays for it!)
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I broke traction at 5k rpms in 2nd gear on a wet road on stock tires 
thats with only 30k miles and half the rubber left..... how much less safe can they be ?
thats with only 30k miles and half the rubber left..... how much less safe can they be ?