Rear Sway bar, should I or shouldnt I?
05-30-2006, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Alin10123
Hi there,
I wish you had caught me before you made your post. Him and i already installed it on his TL.
Were you planning on putting a TL one onto your TSX? I dont think that fitment will fit exactly right if you do it that way. The TL bar seems a little longer just from memory. Maybe not by much, but still longer since the car is wider. (it sounds more logical).
I wish you had caught me before you made your post. Him and i already installed it on his TL.
Were you planning on putting a TL one onto your TSX? I dont think that fitment will fit exactly right if you do it that way. The TL bar seems a little longer just from memory. Maybe not by much, but still longer since the car is wider. (it sounds more logical).
I'm not sure what RSB I'm going to go with, or if I'll upgrade it at all -- it depends on how the car handles after the A-Spec suspension is installed (hopefully this weekend).
05-30-2006, 11:49 AM
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I looked at the RSB on my brother-in-law's 2002 RSX Type-S and was surprised to see his car has a 19mm bar on it (and later discovered the regular RSXes have the same one). All that makes me wonder why Acura went with such a tiny RSB on the TSX??? 
05-30-2006, 02:34 PM
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All this got be curious about sway bar size on the european Accord, and this is what I found for the 2.4 Executive model (from link ):
Stabilizer bar type (front) - 27.2x5.3
Stabilizer bar type (rear) - 22.2x3.2
Anyone understand this notation?
Stabilizer bar type (front) - 27.2x5.3
Stabilizer bar type (rear) - 22.2x3.2
Anyone understand this notation?
05-30-2006, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by STL
All this got be curious about sway bar size on the european Accord, and this is what I found for the 2.4 Executive model (from link ):
Stabilizer bar type (front) - 27.2x5.3
Stabilizer bar type (rear) - 22.2x3.2
Anyone understand this notation?
Stabilizer bar type (front) - 27.2x5.3
Stabilizer bar type (rear) - 22.2x3.2
Anyone understand this notation?
I think H&R brand or some other has a beefy 26mm Rear Sway Bar for sell, the only thing I'm concern is the rear will get so tight can ends up "oversteering" even if I'm not intend to do so. Anyways, I'm happy w/ the Comptech RSB. It's like riding on rail.
05-30-2006, 03:16 PM
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Okay, I figured it out myself -- both bars a hollow. So the european 2.4 Executive Accord has a front sway bar with a diameter of 27.2mm with a wall thickness of 5.3mm, and it's rear swaybar is 22.2mm in diameter with a 3.2mm wall thickness.
Our TSX's front sway bar has a diameter of 25.4mm and a wall thickness of 4.5mm and the rear swaybar diameter is 15mm and solid.
Using data from this link :
a) the european hollow RSB is roughly equivalent to a 20.6mm solid bar
b) the european hollow FSB is roughly equivalent to a 26.2mm solid bar
c) the US hollow FSB is roughly equivalent to a 24.2mm solid bar
So using all the solid "equivalents" the european Accord's rear bar is about 79% as thick as the front bar, whereas the TSX's rear bar is only about 62% as thick as its front bar. Assuming the bars are made of the same type of material, you can substitute the word "strong" for "thick" in the previous sentence.
Our TSX's front sway bar has a diameter of 25.4mm and a wall thickness of 4.5mm and the rear swaybar diameter is 15mm and solid.
Using data from this link :
a) the european hollow RSB is roughly equivalent to a 20.6mm solid bar
b) the european hollow FSB is roughly equivalent to a 26.2mm solid bar
c) the US hollow FSB is roughly equivalent to a 24.2mm solid bar
So using all the solid "equivalents" the european Accord's rear bar is about 79% as thick as the front bar, whereas the TSX's rear bar is only about 62% as thick as its front bar. Assuming the bars are made of the same type of material, you can substitute the word "strong" for "thick" in the previous sentence.
So much analysis. Just get one.
05-30-2006, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by STL
Can you tell I have an engineering degree? 
I'm going to see how the car feels after the A-Spec kit before I decide.
I'm going to see how the car feels after the A-Spec kit before I decide.
06-08-2006, 10:56 AM
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It's finally on, and I must say I like it. I was surprised to see no visible difference when I compared the A-Spec (spring/strut) assembly with the stock one. The both looked to be the same length and the A-Spec springs didn't measure to be any thicker -- I guess I thought the A-Spec one would have been slightly shorter with beefier springs. Another puzzling thing was the A-Spec directions said the L and R rear assemblies would be different, but both my rear ones had the exact same part numbers.
06-08-2006, 12:39 PM
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I had mine installed so I couldn't compare them side-by-side. Didn't think to look at the part number either, although I did notice they were marked "L" and "R".
So, what are your driving impressions? And, will you still upgrade the RSB?
So, what are your driving impressions? And, will you still upgrade the RSB?
06-08-2006, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
I had mine installed so I couldn't compare them side-by-side. Didn't think to look at the part number either, although I did notice they were marked "L" and "R".
Originally Posted by jlukja
So, what are your driving impressions? And, will you still upgrade the RSB?
06-08-2006, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by STL
Were those markings on the rear assemblies? If so, was it stickers or what? I couldn't find anything on my rears that made them distinct.
06-08-2006, 02:07 PM
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FYI, ordered the Progress RSB earlier this week from ptuning, should be receiving it in the next few days. I'll post impressions once I get it installed. It'll be interesting to see the difference it makes versus the A-Spec suspension. I've had that for about 6 months, so it should be a nice incremental upgrade. After that, it'll be tires. Can't seem to wear the damn stockers out
06-08-2006, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
I believe it was the rear assemblies. It was a little round sticker with either an L or R. I only noticed it when I removed the assemblies from the shipping containers to inspect them. The front assemblies looked identical and had no identifying stickers.
the OEM fronts are different, the rears are the same. are you sure it was the a-spec rears you looked at? logically the rear a-specs would be the same and the fronts would have L and R
06-08-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by xizor
the OEM fronts are different, the rears are the same. are you sure it was the a-spec rears you looked at? logically the rear a-specs would be the same and the fronts would have L and R
06-08-2006, 03:23 PM
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I started a new thread to discuss the A-Spec suspension L/R issue. So as not to threadjack, we should move that discussion there.
waTSX,
I'll be very curious to hear your impressions.
waTSX,
I'll be very curious to hear your impressions.
06-08-2006, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by STL
I started a new thread to discuss the A-Spec suspension L/R issue. So as not to threadjack, we should move that discussion there.
waTSX,
I'll be very curious to hear your impressions.
waTSX,
I'll be very curious to hear your impressions.
06-08-2006, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by waTSX
FYI, ordered the Progress RSB earlier this week from ptuning, should be receiving it in the next few days. I'll post impressions once I get it installed. It'll be interesting to see the difference it makes versus the A-Spec suspension. I've had that for about 6 months, so it should be a nice incremental upgrade. After that, it'll be tires. Can't seem to wear the damn stockers out
I also ordered the Progress from ptuning last Friday and received it this Tuesday.
Just put in on now. Took it for a quick spin and there's less body roll (I'm on stock suspension).
06-08-2006, 03:57 PM
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Warning, 2 total n00b questions here, :
1) If I were to use the H&R bar, the thicker and possibly stiffer bar, will oversteer be that much worse/better, i.e. uncontrollable?
2) Would VSA catch the oversteer anyways, or would the oversteer be so much that its dangerous taking fast turns even w VSA on?
thanks guys, just want to see if the RSB is idiot-proof/CarbonGray Earl proof.
1) If I were to use the H&R bar, the thicker and possibly stiffer bar, will oversteer be that much worse/better, i.e. uncontrollable?
2) Would VSA catch the oversteer anyways, or would the oversteer be so much that its dangerous taking fast turns even w VSA on?
thanks guys, just want to see if the RSB is idiot-proof/CarbonGray Earl proof.
06-08-2006, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chuson
Why are you so hesitate to get the RSB??? It's the cheapest mod yet give you the best results out of all. If I'm spending $$$ on a suspension I would at least get some Teins or Tanabe. The A-Spec will give you a stiffer ride thru the corners, but not as the same as RSB.
06-08-2006, 07:20 PM
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^^I can say that I expect the RSB will be a mod along the lines of the Hondata and A-Spec suspension; noticeable but on the subtle side. Nothing that would cause me to regret the purchase. This opinion is based, as usual, on the excellent info I've read here on AZ. The biggest leap for me was the suspension. I didn't want to spoil the excellent ride characteristics of the stock set up, but I was ready for some improvement. What I read here proved out perfectly in real world driving. So now, I really don't worry about mods. If I want it, I get it.
The RSB is kind of a no-brainer. If I end up not liking it, I can always go back to stock, with little lost in the way of money. I expect to love it, though
Right now I've got the mod bug pretty bad. I've got joerockt's DIY thread bookmarked
The RSB is kind of a no-brainer. If I end up not liking it, I can always go back to stock, with little lost in the way of money. I expect to love it, though
Right now I've got the mod bug pretty bad. I've got joerockt's DIY thread bookmarked
06-08-2006, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by psteng19
Was about to link you to the other thread, but I see you already posted in it.
I also ordered the Progress from ptuning last Friday and received it this Tuesday.
Just put in on now. Took it for a quick spin and there's less body roll (I'm on stock suspension).
I also ordered the Progress from ptuning last Friday and received it this Tuesday.
Just put in on now. Took it for a quick spin and there's less body roll (I'm on stock suspension).
06-08-2006, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by waTSX
Are you going to upgrade your suspension as well?
I too want to keep the ride compliant over poor pavement.
On the RSB... after reading all the positive reviews, I was expecting a drastic change in handling (inducing oversteer, flatter cornering, less roll).
To be honest, it wasn't as noticeable as I had expected. I've noticed it being a little tighter in turns, but other than that, it feels very close to stock.
If I didn't install it myself, I would not have believed it was there.
Perhaps there was too much hype, or maybe I need more seat time behind the wheel on dry pavement; it was wet out on the roads today.
06-09-2006, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by psteng19
Planning to drop it eventually, not anytime soon. Debating on coilovers or just A-spec.
I too want to keep the ride compliant over poor pavement.
On the RSB... after reading all the positive reviews, I was expecting a drastic change in handling (inducing oversteer, flatter cornering, less roll).
To be honest, it wasn't as noticeable as I had expected. I've noticed it being a little tighter in turns, but other than that, it feels very close to stock.
If I didn't install it myself, I would not have believed it was there.
Perhaps there was too much hype, or maybe I need more seat time behind the wheel on dry pavement; it was wet out on the roads today.
I too want to keep the ride compliant over poor pavement.
On the RSB... after reading all the positive reviews, I was expecting a drastic change in handling (inducing oversteer, flatter cornering, less roll).
To be honest, it wasn't as noticeable as I had expected. I've noticed it being a little tighter in turns, but other than that, it feels very close to stock.
If I didn't install it myself, I would not have believed it was there.
Perhaps there was too much hype, or maybe I need more seat time behind the wheel on dry pavement; it was wet out on the roads today.
07-19-2006, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by STL
Okay, I figured it out myself -- both bars a hollow. So the european 2.4 Executive Accord has a front sway bar with a diameter of 27.2mm with a wall thickness of 5.3mm, and it's rear swaybar is 22.2mm in diameter with a 3.2mm wall thickness.
Our TSX's front sway bar has a diameter of 25.4mm and a wall thickness of 4.5mm and the rear swaybar diameter is 15mm and solid.
Using data from this link :
a) the european hollow RSB is roughly equivalent to a 20.6mm solid bar
b) the european hollow FSB is roughly equivalent to a 26.2mm solid bar
c) the US hollow FSB is roughly equivalent to a 24.2mm solid bar
So using all the solid "equivalents" the european Accord's rear bar is about 79% as thick as the front bar, whereas the TSX's rear bar is only about 62% as thick as its front bar. Assuming the bars are made of the same type of material, you can substitute the word "strong" for "thick" in the previous sentence.
Our TSX's front sway bar has a diameter of 25.4mm and a wall thickness of 4.5mm and the rear swaybar diameter is 15mm and solid.
Using data from this link :
a) the european hollow RSB is roughly equivalent to a 20.6mm solid bar
b) the european hollow FSB is roughly equivalent to a 26.2mm solid bar
c) the US hollow FSB is roughly equivalent to a 24.2mm solid bar
So using all the solid "equivalents" the european Accord's rear bar is about 79% as thick as the front bar, whereas the TSX's rear bar is only about 62% as thick as its front bar. Assuming the bars are made of the same type of material, you can substitute the word "strong" for "thick" in the previous sentence.
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Originally Posted by psteng19
Planning to drop it eventually, not anytime soon. Debating on coilovers or just A-spec.
I too want to keep the ride compliant over poor pavement.
On the RSB... after reading all the positive reviews, I was expecting a drastic change in handling (inducing oversteer, flatter cornering, less roll).
To be honest, it wasn't as noticeable as I had expected. I've noticed it being a little tighter in turns, but other than that, it feels very close to stock.
If I didn't install it myself, I would not have believed it was there.
Perhaps there was too much hype, or maybe I need more seat time behind the wheel on dry pavement; it was wet out on the roads today.
I too want to keep the ride compliant over poor pavement.
On the RSB... after reading all the positive reviews, I was expecting a drastic change in handling (inducing oversteer, flatter cornering, less roll).
To be honest, it wasn't as noticeable as I had expected. I've noticed it being a little tighter in turns, but other than that, it feels very close to stock.
If I didn't install it myself, I would not have believed it was there.
Perhaps there was too much hype, or maybe I need more seat time behind the wheel on dry pavement; it was wet out on the roads today.
07-25-2006, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gavinn58
Wow, i noticed a huge difference after adding the RSB. Perhaps it was a finishing touch on the A-Spec suspension I already had installed?
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