I have searched but no gotten a definte answer or seen if there is a BBK that will fit oem wheels. I have RSX oem wheels 17X7 45 offset.
I like the fastbrake BBK with the willwood calipers but I e-mailed them and they said it should fit but they are not positive.

 

depends greatly on what kind of rim it is.
spoke design, lip or no lip, etc.

17x7 +45 is really small for BBK's though.

p.s. stay away from Endless, I just ordered a BBK from them and I
am very, very unhappy with them and their product.

 

^ Why is that?

And I'm surely confident that those OEM wheels will not clear a BBK. I was thinking about my 18x7 +45 as well. The width of the rim doesn't allow for caliper clearance, unless you run some wheel spacers.

 

Seems like your experiences with the baller products haven't gone well at any turn (Bride, Endless). Kinda disappointing. My Rotora BBK's been an absolute champ since getting it in September... and I'd imagine it would fit 17x7 +45 just fine, since it fits 17x7 +55 (OEM wheels).

 

^ yup, Rotora would probably be best for the fit.

Summerized story with Endless:

Calipers have a ruined finish on them (dark, blotchy, dirty looking, plain ruined).
Endless knows this and doesn't care, they are not guaranteed.
This is a semi-common problem.
Told me I should never have bought an Endless product if I cared what it looked like.
Refused to allow me to return them, even though they are NIB, never used.
p.s. another member here just bought a set too, and his are also ruined.

Oh, and Bride hooked it up in the end. They made me new seats (seeing how they
were limited edition and sold out before) and shipped them to me from Japan.
Took forever, but I have the new, perfect condition seats now and I'm happy as a clam.
The old, damaged ones are for sale at 15% off their price.

so anyway, I vote probably Rotora for clearance.
I think Stoptech is pretty small too, they are only 4-pot up front.

 

04-05 OEM rims are 17x7? I know 06+ are 17x7.5 + 55

 

Damn MMs, that sucks. Are the calipers anodized? It's really hard to get cast aluminum to take anodization evenly due to variations in the crystaline structure at the surface. If the surface is machined between the tempering process and the anodizing process, it comes out better but that's a lot more work.

I worked for years in the manufacturing industry and it was common problem with bigger cast pieces. It drove the engineers nuts because they need the anodized finish so the parts don't change dimensions but then the customers would always bitch about it.

 

actully my 08 rims are 17x7 +55, the 09's have the 7.5

yes, anodized.
the mistake is in where oils were left on the surface or something like that.
my father explained it to me, but I didn't get all the details, I was mad.
the Endless USA rep repeated what my father said, but I was also mad and
didn't catch the details again, something about the oils and whatnot.
he said basically best case scenario is that maybe Endless of Japan would have
them painted or something, which doesn't sound like a good option for me.
should have chosen Project Mu.

 

Fewer pistons in a caliper doesn't equate to additional clearance. The main advantage to more pistons on a TSX application is more even pad wear due to increased dispersal of clamping force.

Where you'll gain additional clearance is in the type of rotor you choose. 2-piece rotors are wider than 1-piece rotors. There is a 5mm width difference between Audioserf's 1-pc Rotora kit and my 2-pc Stoptech kit (330x23 for the 1-pc Rotora vs 328x28 for the 2-pc Stoptech).

As a point of reference, we have the same wheels (different widths). Audioserf's BBK clears his 18x8 +48 Advans by almost an inch while my BBK BARELY clears my 18x7.5 +45 Advans (read: 3-5mm).

 

My brembo BBK fit on my stock wheels from the TL. I know Stock TSX wheel will fit as well.

 

When you anodize something, you usually dip it in an acid wash tank first. However this only done to keep the acid in anodization tank lasting longer. The acid will take care of any oils but the oils "use up" the acid. They anodizers prefer to go as long as possible between changing out the acid both because it's difficult and expensive to handle (it's highly corrosive toxic waste) and because it's hard to get batches from two different tanks to match perfectly. The later is probably not a concern here.

Have you got any pictures? I'm curious to see what it looks like. I'll be able to tell you right away if it's the crystaline structure problem I mentioned earlier. That looks like splotchy water spots with a dark edge around it. If you look at it through a piece of polarized glass the reflections are all weird because of the alignment of the molecules.

 

I can take better pictures later, these are it for now.

(sorry for the thread hijack)

 

Very disappointing how Endless is treating this from a customer service perspective, MMsTSX. I really would not have expected that from them. pMu would have been the way to go, apparently... hindsight is always 20/20.

This is even more surprising because 06tsx and Big Ben have flawless Endless BBK's... sorry man. That's an expensive screwjob you're undergoing presently.

Edit: Wow, that is unacceptably bad. They look like they're covered in a month's worth of brakedust!

 

so what ends up being the best BBK for 17" wheels?

 

17" isn't the problem.
it's the width and the offset of the rim.
even the Endless kit will fit fine on 17" rims.

as far as the 7" with the +45 offset in the OP,
the one piece rotor Rotora kit seems to be the smallest.

 

This is my set up for my TL but this Brembo BBK are specifically for the TSX. I fitted my stock TL wheels on it and still clears. I believe the stock wheel offset on both TL and TSX are the same.

 

Yep, OEM is 17 x 7, 17" A-Spec's are 17x7.5

That sucks about your Endless calipers, you can give them to me, I would powder coat them gold, with the endless in purple.

 

you can have them. $3300 shipped.

and for some reason it doesn't seem right to me that the TL and the TSX
would have the exact same size rims. maybe the same offset... but I would
hope the TL rims would be at least a 1/2" wider... but I don't really know.

 

Endless always have endless issues.......we (in our part of the world) knew about this issue for a long time. Anyway, this oil issue can be managed. Every BBK has it's own issues...Project Mu, Brembo, Spoon, Alcon, JBT, etc..

Wilwood BBK on +45 is very close, depending on rims design. I recall a few blokes could fit in on a 17 7.5 +45, disc 300mm and rims were Prodrive range, GC 05, GC 10 Pse ensure a similar check as this was for the Euro R. BBK mounting braket should be similar for CL9, but best to check by trying.

 

^ I do believe the BBK kits/brackets for the CL7 and the CL9 are the same.

 

^ I will let what others read to believe you or not.

 

I agree with MMS and say STAY AWAY FROM ENDLESS. I also ordered their BBK and am very unsatisfied with the results. My calipers look the exact same as his.

 

endless ... tsk tsk

 

The TL and TSX do not have the same offset or width to their wheels.

(1st gen) TSX = 17x7 +50
(3rd gen) TL = 17x8 +45

 

Wow, those Endless calipers look terrible. I can't believe a company would be have the gall to manufacture a product which looks that bad and not stand behind it. Makes me wonder how tsxdriver and BigBen got so lucky...

MMs and grenas, I hope you guys find some way to get a refund (have you talked to Marcus?) because those pics are disgraceful.


Fixed

 

Doh. In my defense it wasn't even 8am when I posted. I was only half done coffee #1...

 

lol.

well Endless USA says no refunds period.
I guess we'll have to see what our brokers (Marcus and A-Spec) can do
on their own if anything...

and for the TL, 17x8 +45 gives a ton more clearance than the TSX's 17x7 +55.
so BBK's fitting the TL is in invalid point in this thread obviously. the TL wheels
are even bigger than the OP's rims he's asking about by an inch in width.

 

The OEM TL wheels are a great low-cost option for changing the wheels on the TSX. You get to run a wider tire which will help with handling, and the low offset looks nice and flush and clears a BBK with relative ease.

 

dude... wtf... that's messed up!!!! i'd be pissed if my Endless came looking like that!!
damn guys idk what to say about that...
not sure about Ben, but my set came directly from Endless Japan... maybe their quality control is better?

 

both of these sets cam directly from Endless Japan.
they were ordered last year.
Endless USA says they've seen this repeated times.
we are waiting on Endless Japan right now to see if they
"want to do anything about it or not."

 

thanks guys for the info I will try out the 1-pc rotora bbk. I tried the TL wheels before and they rub with my drop and I like my RSX wheels better.

 

That's just not right... I guess ben and I got lucky and got a good batch. tsxinhi's chrome endless also came flawless.

 

That looks like the surface structure problem I was describing but worse. They might be cheaping out and using the same acid much longer than they should be. If they're not prewashing the parts, which I suspect they're not, that breaks down the acid even faster. I'll bet they're doing their anodizing in house because it's a pretty shoddy job. I doubt any dedicated finishing shop would be that sloppy.

That's hugely disappointing in consideration of the cost.

 

as another suggestion to the OP:

the Spoon Sports monoblock calipers are pretty sweet and just might fit.
not the same BBK setup as these other options, but nothing to discount either.

 

In terms of BBK's the ROTORA 1 pc 13" 4 pot disc is going to be your best bet for clearance.

http://store.excelerateperformance.c...c/i-84325.aspx

There's some info in that link.

Or you can run a mini 4 pot ROTORA caliper kit. It works with the OE size discs.

http://store.excelerateperformance.c...a/i-92974.aspx

I can also email you wheel fitment charts/guides for the 1 or 2 pc disc.

 

I love my Rotora BBK. Picked mine up from Excelerate right before the economy totally tanked, and still love it...

 

Thanks for the info and as soon as I have some more $$ I will order from you since you can get the capliers in Gold.

 

Do you have pics with the BBK & stock rims? I saw your pics with the rims & BBK looks good.

 

Sorry, I don't - I haven't put the OEM wheels on since having the BBK installed in September. I took an OEM wheel with me and asked Josh (Excelerate) to test-fit it, and when I picked my car up he told me that the wheel fit over the caliper, but there was a fingernail's worth of clearance. Ie, it'll fit, but it'll be close. I wouldn't personally be comfortable running with that minimal clearance, and would use a 5mm spacer if I were to put my OEM wheels back on.

That said, a 17x7 +45 wheel should have no such problem, depending on the spoke design. Our OEM's are 17x7 +55; 10mm extra clearance would probably clear the Rotoras with a comfortable margin of space.