Mokos23

Could our TSX beat the 1998-2002 6th Gen V6 Accord Sedan in a race?

I was just curious because both have 200 hp, but not sure which one has more torque.

I was driving home and this lady in the 6th gen Accord was in the left lane and was driving pretty quick. I didn't want to catch up to her only because its the same road I got a speeding ticket in my 99 Accord 6 months ago.

Mokos23

yeah i know the TSX is an I4 and the 6th Gen is a V6, but could the TSX keep up? that's all i'm asking.

gilboman

if it was auto vs auto, the accord would probably pull ahead b/c those things have torque.. but 6mt vs auto, the TSX

fdl

The 6MT TSX will definately be able to beat the Accord. But AT to AT the lighter accord would win.

And for the record, engine torque has nothing to do with it.

Mokos23

Well, I guess then I'll get smoked each time by the prev gen Accord V6's

jcg878

I surmise that a very low percentage of Accord owners would be interested in challenging you, so I think you're safe

Mokos23

i guess ur right, except for the ricers i see sometimes in the modded 6th gens from time to time with the numerous Accord Type R badges and Vtec Power. i'll get smoked by them

xizor

I think you're having an identity crisis. Maybe instead of dragging the Accord invite them to drive on a winding pass. Your TSX will be happy to oblige.

Dan Martin

Why would you even want to race them? I wouldn't feel any sense of accomplishment knocking off a ricer.

fdl

You wouldnt get "smoked". I mean, its one slow car racing another slower car.

NocturnalEvo

the TSX has more torque than the V6 Accord does.

Altho my previous modded 6th gen. V6 Accord woulda smoked any TSX on the road. MT or AT

fdl

u sure about that?

NocturnalEvo

umm... i was j/kidding. I had my numbers mixed up.
But i think the TSX does have more USABLE low-end torque than the AV6. (atleast the 6MT does)

gilboman

in a slushbox, wouldnt the torque of the V6 be better? b/c low torque and slushboxes always equal poor acceleration

fdl

Ya, under normal conditions your right. But if you neutral drop or brake torque to get the revs up in a race it shouldnt matter.

Bass Mechanic

i just raced that exact same car last weekend on Academy blvd.
at first he was in front of me at the light. i could smell the cat converter getting hot in the exaust. i was slowly gaining on him.
at the second light i was side by side and put a few cars on him by the time we were at 60 mph

gilboman

wat is the stall speed on the torque converter? i doubt the 5AT would let you brake torque much past 2k which is still far from the power. and neutral drop lets hope nobody tries that, it'll kill the tranny really quick, especially a honda AT.

1SICKLEX

Watching a dog shed it's fur is more exciting than watching this race.

SAZABI

I think they are about the same. I have both 00 Accord V6 coupe and of course TSX. The accord seems to have more power but it is a 4AT!!!

imo,
0-60, TSX > Accord
highway, Accord > TSX

tsxquisite

What about power to weight ratio? The TSX is lighter so wouldn't that make a diff?

fdl

The TSX is heavier, which is exactly why it will lose (AT to AT).

coachfraley

There is a very steep hill near my house that is about a 1/4 mil long. Do you think my TSX would be able to beat a kid in a shopping cart if I raced him down the hill?

Dan Martin

That depends... Is is it a Type-R A-Spec cart?

coachfraley

Vons cart, wobbly front left wheel. The kid weighs about 137 pounds (with helmet).

SAZABI

Weight is the same. TSX and 6th gen accord coupe. (within 10kg difference)
But, 6th gen accord seden is heavier than TSX.

P.S. talking about TSX w/o navi.

Dan Martin

You'd smoke him.

Unless he gets that wheel fixed, he'd probably bail long before he got to 60.

fdl

AT TSX is heavier than both accord sedan and coupe. Not sure wher u are getting your info from. Off the top of my head i'd say the tsx is 100 lbs heavier.

EDIT: just looked it up, and the TSX is indeed heavier (by 50lbs).

Bait

Just traded in a Accord EX V6 Coupe. In acceleration, I think the Accord would win. There was a good amount of grunt in that V6. Plus there is the saying there is no substitution for displacement.

That said, the handling of the TSX puts the Accord to shame.

NocturnalEvo

"no replacement for displacement."

BigRussV6

I raced a TSX with my AV6 at the track twice - he was stock and i had my system in the trunk. Both times we pulled the same numbers 16.1 and 16.02 ( something like that)

dom

6Sp or Auto TSX? And are you in a Coupe or Sedan Accord?

NocturnalEvo

Hey Russ! What you doin here?

(illegalakkord)

SAZABI

Hmm... you better check your info then. Auto TSX is heavier than Accord COUPE only. And yes, may be around 50 lbs (as I recall, it is 20kg or 10 kg, I can't remember). 6th gen accord coupe is either 1485 or 1495 kg... gotta look up the manual again...

BUT, a BIG NO! Accord sedan is either heavier or same as TSX. I am 100% sure that sedan is heavier than coupe. As I remember, the 6th gen Accord Sedan is 15XX kg. I believe AT tsx is 1505 kg.

fdl

I just googled again. Curb weight for a 2000 accord sedan is 3285lbs, TSX is 3318 lbs.


here are the links. http://www.internetautoguide.com/rev...da_Accord.html

http://www.acura.com/models/model_sp...asp?module=tsx

SAZABI

HA HAAH A LMAO. No wonder. Next time you compare, please use data released by Honda only. I can always write a webpage and say that the weight is 4000lbs. Or at least compare with the same source.

I took 10 seconds to do a search and here you go.
http://www.car-buying-strategies.com...ord-EX-V6.html

Trust me, there is no way a 6th gen sedan weight less than my 6th gen coupe.

fdl

Keep laughing, but show me "official" honda data first.


Every link i found with curb weight for the 2000 accord v6 sedan showed 3285lbs. EVERY single one. And I never said it weighs less that the coupe. The coupe is around 3000 lbs.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdr...1accord_ex.htm


Now, the 2001 may be a different story. I didnt look it up. Maybe they added a bunch of air bags.

SAZABI

Hmm... so it is your luck that the "EVERY single one" did not include the one that I found by accident? OMG, here is another one:
http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/auto/ca/pp...x6f4sdn--.html

3000 lb for 00 V6 coupe? No way, that thing is at least 3200 lbs. I will try to scan both the brochure and the owner manual tonite if you still believe the coupe is around 3000lb.

What next? Canadian model is different? For now, only one thing I can think of, that makes it 100 lbs lighter: you may have looked at the LX model instead of EX. I don't know how many LX model you can find in US, but there is almost none here, b/c the difference is like only 1000 cdn but more things (I forget what, I think moonroof is one of them) you get outta EX.

SAZABI

Also.... the link you just provided here is a 4 cyclinder model of EX coupe. That's why it is "around 3000lb". uh.... you sure all those links you found is for 00 accord V6 sedan????

P.S. Honda did not add bunch of air bags in the 01 model. The changes were: tail light design, front grill and bumber become 1-piece, TSC added, 6 disc CD changer, change of wheels, and driver/front passenger head rest (that's what you call those thing right?)

fdl

ya i'm positive. they all say 3285 for ex v6. every single one. but like i said, could be they added airbags in 2001 which would explain your link.

eidji

I didn't really read the posts in this thread to see what the arguing about weights was all about, but anyway because I don't like bickering, here are the official weights for 2000 Honda Accord EX V6:

Sedan: 3318
Coupe: 3259

Got them directly from the source. Hondacars.com

Sedan link

Coupe link