Petition to STOP all this NASCAR footage on Speed Channel
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Petition to STOP all this NASCAR footage on Speed Channel
Please play your part and sign up so we can maybe get the footage of real racing footage 24/7 like when they use to be SpeedVision and not NASCAR whores...
I'm #8367
link to petition to cut down on nascrap on the speedtv channel sign it if you want don't if you don't. that is all....
http://www.petitiononline.com/SpdTV/petition.html
I'm #8367
link to petition to cut down on nascrap on the speedtv channel sign it if you want don't if you don't. that is all....
http://www.petitiononline.com/SpdTV/petition.html
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Signed....bring back some the BTCC, DTM, F1, WRC etc. SpeedVision was more interesting about 12 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Considering NASCAR owns Speed Channel, I doubt this petition is going to have much effect.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Considering NASCAR owns Speed Channel, I doubt this petition is going to have much effect.
At least I hope so
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Considering NASCAR owns Speed Channel, I doubt this petition is going to have much effect.
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Originally Posted by TSX.Fury
Plus, that's just depressing That's like saying why vote if you are a republican in NY, you should still speak your mind! That's what our country is all about!
You left out PA and CA.
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Originally Posted by mav3556
I don't see how fun it is when your racing in a circle??? Can someone try to convince me, because driving in a circle is frankly kind of stupid when your doing 20 -30 laps of it!!!
F1/GP is more fun to watch, but NASCAR is tougher racing.
In NASCAR, the fact that the course is so simple means that everyone can really hang it out, so there are many more drivers going about the same speed at the front. This makes for a much greater challenge when you want to pass or even break away. You have to be significantly better than the others to get any kind of advantage on them, and then they can just tuck into your draft and save gas anyway.
In F1 racing, the drivers often get hung up on slower drivers and have to wait a lap or two to pass. When they do pass, it's often spectacular and impressive, but the fact is that the best drivers spend a lot of time just sitting in, waiting for the right opportunity.
Still though, I'll never watch a NASCAR race, but for the drivers, it's a huge challenge.
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Originally Posted by mav3556
I don't see how fun it is when your racing in a circle??? Can someone try to convince me, because driving in a circle is frankly kind of stupid when your doing 20 -30 laps of it!!!
Watch the last 10-15 laps of a Nascar event. I know some people like having the race decided by the end of the first lap **cough**F1**cough** but there's something to be said about a Fight to the finish.
Still signed the petition. # 8926.
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Nascar is car racing. F1 is cart racing.
I like watching cars race.
Sorry, I'm not signing....I'm so glad most F1 is in the morning when live because it doesn't take away from real car racing which is more evenly matched.
I like watching cars race.
Sorry, I'm not signing....I'm so glad most F1 is in the morning when live because it doesn't take away from real car racing which is more evenly matched.
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My signing isn't necessarily a statement against NASCAR and for F1. I do enjoy the technological freedom they have in F1. What I do miss however, are alot of the touring car/WRC coverage the station used to air. They still do to some extent, but NASCAR takes up so much of their programming now.
If they can't do that, then at least make NASCAR a better representation of what American's drive....let's face it, GM/Ford/Dodge are no longer the best-sellers in the fam sedan category. Its Honda and Toyota now. Unfortunately, the good ol' boy culture of NASCAR allows this misrepresentation to persist. Throw in some other manufacturers and more road racing, and I'll watch.
If they can't do that, then at least make NASCAR a better representation of what American's drive....let's face it, GM/Ford/Dodge are no longer the best-sellers in the fam sedan category. Its Honda and Toyota now. Unfortunately, the good ol' boy culture of NASCAR allows this misrepresentation to persist. Throw in some other manufacturers and more road racing, and I'll watch.
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
My signing isn't necessarily a statement against NASCAR and for F1. I do enjoy the technological freedom they have in F1. What I do miss however, are alot of the touring car/WRC coverage the station used to air. They still do to some extent, but NASCAR takes up so much of their programming now.
I think NASCAR takes as many variables out of the equation as it possibly can and then forces a driver to make a win happen. I just want a mix of DTM, BTCC, F1, WC during the good hours of the weekend. I'm lucky to have a DVR, but I don't know even know when most of the races are on b/c there are nothing but NASCAR ads repeatedly.
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I'm 9227 ...I'm gonna play $5 on that tonight
We should take up a collection to buy Speed, then we can change it.
You left out PA and CA.
When I lived in the city of Phila, it was mostly democrats. Where I've lived in PA for the past 25+ years only 15min from downtown Phila, republicans rule and always have ...even though based on predicted demographics that could eventually change
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Considering NASCAR owns Speed Channel, I doubt this petition is going to have much effect.
We should take up a collection to buy Speed, then we can change it.
Originally Posted by moda_way
You left out PA and CA.
When I lived in the city of Phila, it was mostly democrats. Where I've lived in PA for the past 25+ years only 15min from downtown Phila, republicans rule and always have ...even though based on predicted demographics that could eventually change
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If they can't do that, then at least make NASCAR a better representation of what American's drive....let's face it, GM/Ford/Dodge are no longer the best-sellers in the fam sedan category. Its Honda and Toyota now. Unfortunately, the good ol' boy culture of NASCAR allows this misrepresentation to persist. Throw in some other manufacturers and more road racing, and I'll watch.
Lastly NASCAR's popularity is growing & growing with more races outside the Bible belt v. the old days. I find it somewhat disingenuous for some people to put something down without having any personal experience other than their own bias or condescension. And yes I looked in the mirror before I expressed that comment.
Some of you are starting to sound a little too much like a BMW owner.
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Originally Posted by Still Water
Not exactly true. Just check the truck series and you will see Toyota now racing with the (well known by NASCAR fans) absolute intention of fielding a car team in the junior circuit and the big boys later on. I used to follow F1 back when it was more competitive and less political. As to going round & round v. "real racing" just look at Indy racing and its drop in popularity/ratings. I think you will be seeing both Honda and Toyota in NASCAR sooner v. later. The major hurdle will be the engine guidelines and rules compliance. Believe me when I say that NASCAR would LOVE to have Honda & Toyota on board and they feel the same way ($$$$$$$'s) - ratings rule the TV world.
Lastly NASCAR's popularity is growing & growing with more races outside the Bible belt v. the old days. I find it somewhat disingenuous for some people to put something down without having any personal experience other than their own bias or condescension. And yes I looked in the mirror before I expressed that comment.
Some of you are starting to sound a little too much like a BMW owner.
Lastly NASCAR's popularity is growing & growing with more races outside the Bible belt v. the old days. I find it somewhat disingenuous for some people to put something down without having any personal experience other than their own bias or condescension. And yes I looked in the mirror before I expressed that comment.
Some of you are starting to sound a little too much like a BMW owner.
On your second point -sure its growing out past the Bible Belt. Why do you think were even having this discussion? But having a petition such as this, doesn't that tell you its not reaching out far enough? The Cali 500 is in my backyard and I could care less. NASCAR still only caters to the Bible Belt (and places like Fontana...Fontucky as Jim Rome calls it, for good reason). Why would it turn its back on its primary consituency? In the case of this petition, I would hope it could broaden its audience or step aside.
On your last point - I am a previous BMW owner and if you are implying that is in someway elitist, you could be right. However, having a preference for road races, technology, and foreign manufacturers to play a role in racing, how is that condescending? How is a need for change a personal bias?
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
This isn't about NASCAR against F1; this is about NASCAR having way too much air time that it's crowding out great racing like the WRC, World Challenge, ALMS, etc. I don't particularly care for F1 these days since they've made it into a joke.
I didn't mean to hijack the tread here and in fact would like to see more hard racing, autox and all types of racing on the tube. But not at the exclusion of any one type.
And in the spirit of good fun and having thicker skin... (CarbonGray Earl) good call on my part about being a BMW owner. And please don't get your panties all in a knot, I'm just funning you here. Time will tell about Honda & Toyota. NASCAR has always been about fighting and cheating on one day and the best of buds the next. It's part of its appeal.
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
This isn't about NASCAR against F1; this is about NASCAR having way too much air time that it's crowding out great racing like the WRC, World Challenge, ALMS, etc. I don't particularly care for F1 these days since they've made it into a joke.
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I actually watch NASCAR twice a year when they actually take right turns.
I don't mind having all things motorsports, including NASCAR, on Speed', but when it hogs up like 85-90% of the airtime... that's just rediculous!
BTW, thanks to everyone who signed up and took a stand.
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
Yes, its well known that Toyota runs in the Craftsman Truck Series.
http://sema.autoblog.com/2006/01/25/...r-toyota-team/
Funny that they'll be running carburated V-8s in a "Camry"
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Originally Posted by Canyonball
+1
I actually watch NASCAR twice a year when they actually take right turns.
I don't mind having all things motorsports, including NASCAR, on Speed', but when it hogs up like 85-90% of the airtime... that's just rediculous!
BTW, thanks to everyone who signed up and took a stand.
I actually watch NASCAR twice a year when they actually take right turns.
I don't mind having all things motorsports, including NASCAR, on Speed', but when it hogs up like 85-90% of the airtime... that's just rediculous!
BTW, thanks to everyone who signed up and took a stand.
Anyway, I signed in. For me, the no-coverage of the Dakar is just a big insult. Dakar is to rally-raid racing what Indy is to US openwheel racing, what Le Mans is to endurance racing, and what Monaco is to F1.
Simply unacceptable the way motorsports outside of NASCAR is handled right now in North America.
IMO, someone somewhere will open their eyes and see the whole internationnal racing market slot left empty by Speed TV.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
I heard on NPR yesterday that Toyota is fielding three NASCAR teams to race the Camry in the Nextel cup and Busch series.
http://sema.autoblog.com/2006/01/25/...r-toyota-team/
Funny that they'll be running carburated V-8s in a "Camry"
http://sema.autoblog.com/2006/01/25/...r-toyota-team/
Funny that they'll be running carburated V-8s in a "Camry"
Originally Posted by sauceman
Anyway, I signed in. For me, the no-coverage of the Dakar is just a big insult. Dakar is to rally-raid racing what Indy is to US openwheel racing, what Le Mans is to endurance racing, and what Monaco is to F1.
Simply unacceptable the way motorsports outside of NASCAR is handled right now in North America.
IMO, someone somewhere will open their eyes and see the whole internationnal racing market slot left empty by Speed TV.
Simply unacceptable the way motorsports outside of NASCAR is handled right now in North America.
IMO, someone somewhere will open their eyes and see the whole internationnal racing market slot left empty by Speed TV.
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From a half-full glass point of view, I think in the good 'ol US of A motorsport racing is in the ascent. World-wide established and newly formed racing events are drawing bigger & bigger crowds. So it seems to me that given enough motivation the powers that be in the TV world will try to satisfy the growing demand. Bigger bucks means more toys to use. For those of you who haven't seen it, onboard and in car cameras in NASCAR have really gone a long way to putting the viewer in the driver's seat. This technology and that to come can do nothing but help grow the consumer's identification with their chosen venue. Perhaps the better solution to the question at hand is to add more and varied TV programs rather than fight over limited minutes.
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Originally Posted by Still Water
From a half-full glass point of view, I think in the good 'ol US of A motorsport racing is in the ascent. World-wide established and newly formed racing events are drawing bigger & bigger crowds. So it seems to me that given enough motivation the powers that be in the TV world will try to satisfy the growing demand. Bigger bucks means more toys to use. For those of you who haven't seen it, onboard and in car cameras in NASCAR have really gone a long way to putting the viewer in the driver's seat. This technology and that to come can do nothing but help grow the consumer's identification with their chosen venue. Perhaps the better solution to the question at hand is to add more and varied TV programs rather than fight over limited minutes.
I reiterate, I still would rather see less NASCAR in its current state on Speed or change NASCAR to bring it forward into the times. Token road races, no leading manufacturer of family sedans and 4 speed trannies (is this still the case?) mean no viewing from me. And yes, the good ol' boy culture persists - this by no means racist nor a commentary on its viewer base, but a jab at the conservative NASCAR sanctioning body that won't change - you might have taken that the wrong way from my original post.
BTW, to reply to your "panties in a bunch" jab, or to venture further on what being a Bimmer owner/admirer is, would bring the level of this discussion down. Suffice it to say, that sort of stuff is uncalled for, so chill out.
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Originally Posted by moda_way
TOTALLY AGREE!! I'm not at all against NASCAR, but I don't need a NASCAR Preview, Week-in-Review, Post-Race Review, etc etc.
I think NASCAR takes as many variables out of the equation as it possibly can and then forces a driver to make a win happen. I just want a mix of DTM, BTCC, F1, WC during the good hours of the weekend. I'm lucky to have a DVR, but I don't know even know when most of the races are on b/c there are nothing but NASCAR ads repeatedly.
I think NASCAR takes as many variables out of the equation as it possibly can and then forces a driver to make a win happen. I just want a mix of DTM, BTCC, F1, WC during the good hours of the weekend. I'm lucky to have a DVR, but I don't know even know when most of the races are on b/c there are nothing but NASCAR ads repeatedly.
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Chill out was my original point. I am not in the habit of trying to insult or offend anyone. I'm sorry you took it that way. BTW - Just a small point of order and I'll let this die a graceful death. The last 5 NASCAR champs have not been good old boys and I for one would very much like to see more racing of all sorts on the tube. What I was trying to get across was that others can learn from what NASCAR has done right and help deliver a product that all of us can enjoy. All racing is good, more racing is better.
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Originally Posted by moda_way
I believe Toyota tried to get into NASCAR about 10 yrs ago but was unsuccessful. I'm glad they are doing it... long overdue.
Call me crazy, the only thing I like to see in NASCRAP is the spectacular crashes.