K20 Civic vs Evo8 @ 22psi
10-11-2004, 10:05 AM
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Was the evo trying at all? Or just lagging behind to give that effect? I don't know much about how fast a k20 will make a hatchback, I know my friends have been trying to do that swap for a while... b18 or k20 (don't remember). since it's a trailer video for hybrid-racing that they were just trying to get that effect of :wtf: 
10-11-2004, 10:09 AM
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Was the evo trying at all? Or just lagging behind to give that effect? I don't know much about how fast a k20 will make a hatchback, I know my friends have been trying to do that swap for a while... b18 or k20 (don't remember). since it's a trailer video for hybrid-racing that they were just trying to get that effect of :wtf:
My guess would be that that Civic is about as stripped down as possible giving it even lighter weight. Plus, it must have more done to it than just the engine swap.
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10-11-2004, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
My guess would be that that Civic is about as stripped down as possible giving it even lighter weight. Plus, it must have more done to it than just the engine swap.
10-11-2004, 10:29 AM
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I'm assuming the K20 is just a 2.0L version of the K24 taken from the si or rsx? That car definately sounds loud, and is it just me or does it sound like his shifting from 1-5 is really close geared?
10-11-2004, 10:32 AM
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the K series motors are doing things the B series never dreamed of, and look how successfull the bseries was
10-11-2004, 10:44 AM
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Yeah I just read the article I found on K Series engines vs B Series. Good stuff! I've found so many interesting and informative info on this forum since I joined! Great job Acura-tsx.com 
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10-11-2004, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by cmf
JeffTSX finds all the good videos....Nice!
And the civic is believeable since I know someone with a DC5R K20 in his 03 Civic 4dr and it's not even gutted or anything but it PULLS HARD!!!
10-11-2004, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JeffTSX
with a DC5R K20 in his 03 Civic 4dr
10-11-2004, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
sleeper 
PLus, since he's a licence mechanic himself that probably did over 50 swaps, testing waters wouldn't be so bad.
10-11-2004, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by xizor
why? what an ignominious fate for that engine. no offense to your friend, but that civic wouldn't be the platform i'd choose for a frankenstein swap.
wouldn't be different then putting it in a 2 door or so? They both weigh about the same and the 4 door will be a bitchin sleeper
btw, frankenstein swap refers to matting a b series LS block w/ a vtec head
or taking any non-vtec block and putting a vtec head on it
I've got a buddy out here doing CRAZY shit w/ k-series motors, he's had a few cars he's built motors for written up in a few mags. He did that hatch w/ the turbo'd k20 that was Hasports car that was on the cover of SCC a few months back.
watch for this name soon, he's blowin up www.streetimage.com
all this k-series shit makes me regreat getting a b16b
10-11-2004, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
wouldn't be different then putting it in a 2 door or so? They both weigh about the same and the 4 door will be a bitchin sleeper
btw, frankenstein swap refers to matting a b series LS block w/ a vtec head
or taking any non-vtec block and putting a vtec head on it
btw, frankenstein swap refers to matting a b series LS block w/ a vtec head
or taking any non-vtec block and putting a vtec head on it
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Originally Posted by xizor
sorry, should've said hybrid. i'll admit the 4door is a mad sleeper, but the EP3 is an awesome setup for that swap. There's more to driving than going in a straight line, we all know that. And the CTR is an incredible machine, as would a Civic Si w/ swap and some JDMness
A 4 door w/ the same suspension setups and the JDMness wouldn't be any different. And no one has said straight line performance is what we are looking to acheive, but there is nothing cooler then walking a guy in a vette w/ a 4 door econo civic
The guy I was talking about built a full flat out 4 door teg w/ a k24 bottom end and k20 top end and a nice big turbo. The thing will flat out swamp a modded NSX around a race track. He took it up to willow springs for a big shootout a few months back and said it just walked by a boosted nsx on the straight and then proceeded to just run it once it hit the turns.
10-12-2004, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
The guy I was talking about built a full flat out 4 door teg w/ a k24 bottom end and k20 top end and a nice big turbo. The thing will flat out swamp a modded NSX around a race track. He took it up to willow springs for a big shootout a few months back and said it just walked by a boosted nsx on the straight and then proceeded to just run it once it hit the turns.
C'mon, a FWD going around a mid-rear setup such as the NSX in curves?
Very, VERY sceptical.
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Originally Posted by sauceman
Somehow I have a hard time believing this. Ok it may walk an NSX on straight line speed, but around curves?
C'mon, a FWD going around a mid-rear setup such as the NSX in curves?
Very, VERY sceptical.
C'mon, a FWD going around a mid-rear setup such as the NSX in curves?
Very, VERY sceptical.
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Originally Posted by xizor
there's a good best motoring vid of a Civic Type-R beating a S2000 around a track which I can believe, but the NSX is a totally different beast. At some point FWD becomes a liability, especially for a car with a fat turbo causing gobs of torque steer. I'd be scared if that thing had an LSD in.
you'd be scared if it had an LSD in? LSD is a must w/ any honda swap IMO
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Originally Posted by sauceman
Somehow I have a hard time believing this. Ok it may walk an NSX on straight line speed, but around curves?
C'mon, a FWD going around a mid-rear setup such as the NSX in curves?
Very, VERY sceptical.
C'mon, a FWD going around a mid-rear setup such as the NSX in curves?
Very, VERY sceptical.
The teg was a full out race teg that is setup for the NASA series, I don't 'think my friend would need to lie to me.
10-12-2004, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by xizor
there's a good best motoring vid of a Civic Type-R beating a S2000 around a track which I can believe, but the NSX is a totally different beast. At some point FWD becomes a liability, especially for a car with a fat turbo causing gobs of torque steer. I'd be scared if that thing had an LSD in.
btw, there is an old video of a teg type R holding up on a tight track w/ an nsx. I haven't seen it in a few years but you can still probably find it on the temple of vtec site
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Originally Posted by CLpower
you'd be scared if it had an LSD in? LSD is a must w/ any honda swap IMO
10-12-2004, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by xizor
a LSD will substantially increase torque steer on a FWD, its just part of its nature as it transfers power
it'll also prevent you from understeering like crazy comming out of at turn because you'd have one wheels spinning like crazy w/o. Trust me, i've driven my fair share of swaps and LSD is an absolute MUST, ask anyone that's driven a non-lsd and lsd swapped car and they will take the LSD car 99.9% of the time. And most cars that are set up for a road course don't have excessive power, but just the right amount in corrolation w/ their suspension modifications. you don't see any drag fwd cars out there w/o lsd either that i'm aware of. Torque steer is managable if you can grip the wheel like a man.
10-13-2004, 02:10 AM
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the whole time .. sounds like the evo wasnt even pushing it .. maybe when that one time it passed up the civic. But i highly doubt that was a stock civic. liek everyone said .. sounded way too loud.
10-13-2004, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by xaznperswaesonx
But i highly doubt that was a stock civic. liek everyone said .. sounded way too loud.
no shit? maybe that would explain why it has a k20 in it
10-13-2004, 10:45 PM
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haha let me rephrase .. it said stock civic with stock internal on the vid .. i highly doubt it was stock internal .. way too loud.
I don't think changing the internals would make much sound difference anyways.
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Originally Posted by xaznperswaesonx
a hatch with i/e/h with stock k20 swap cant do 13s in quater bc evo does 13 in the the quater.
But as for my taste, I'll still take the Evo!!!
10-13-2004, 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by xaznperswaesonx
a hatch with i/e/h with stock k20 swap cant do 13s in quater bc evo does 13 in the the quater.
Rough weight of the hatch is 2400 lbs. With the slightly heavier engine and factor in the weight of the driver and let's say the car weighs 2700 lbs. loaded. K20 motor out of an RSX Type-S with intake, header, and exhaust will have an output at the crank of about 225 hp and about 145 lb-ft of torque.
Consider that the Honda S2000 that weighs 2800 lbs. with 240 hp at the crank and 162 lb-ft of torque can do a conservative quarter mile in 14.19, the lighter weight of the civic along with the greater hp could easily put it in the 13 second range.
Now, strip the Civic down even more and lose an additional 50 lbs or so of unnecessary weight. Perhaps put on a set of light weight wheels, tires, brakes (and anything else to reduce sprung weight) and reduce the weight even more. The Civic should be well down into the mid 13 second range.
10-14-2004, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by xaznperswaesonx
a hatch with i/e/h with stock k20 swap cant do 13s in quater bc evo does 13 in the the quater.
I love people who know what they are talking about
also remember, the evo isn't outstanding ont he hwy, it's a off the line car for the most part.
