TSXBMW

If both vehicles are AT.

After the TSX installed the Comptech Catback, DC header, Injen CAI, can it beat the Audi A4 2.0T stock?

peter_bigblock

I think the M3 spoiler will put you over the top. Seriously, these two cars are fairly close in capability, it depends too much on driver ability and what type of racing you're doing (drag, autox, etc.).

TSXBMW

I have tried once, lost.......but now I think I am better with those aftermarket equipments.

chuson

I've test drove the A3 2.0T 3 times before, their DSG 6-Speed gearbox is sooo silky smooth, and power is on tap everywhere. But again, even though I floor it a few times but it's hard to compare. One thing though, after I have my header, CAI and High-Flow cat on, the acceleration is bit stronger than stock. The A4 2.0 is heavier but their 0-60 is still like 7.2 compare to A3 6.8. I think my car now can catch up or get close to them, but might not out-run them. Also there's at least 3 or 4 companies supplied after-market chips (or reflash) and have additional 30-40+HP/20+ torque, not those E-bay one. Too bad we only have Hondata.

BTW. A 06 TSX 5AT might have a chance to tie w/ the Audi A4 2.0.

PearlWhite05

If your TSX was MT, with I/H/E, and the audi is stock, I think you can win. All in the driver.

lcrazyaznl

iTrader: (1)

My friend in his 03 audi a4 1.8 turbo I beat him as soon as vtect kicked in.

Were both in sportshift mode, and i have an intake and some grounding wires.

It was pretty close we did it two or three times just up to redline and shit to gear two. (both were AT)

That is a rough idea.

kaikai114

RTR TSX Kleinubing just lost the winner spot to the new A4, despite his driving skills and efforts, he finished 2nd behind the Audi. With AWD handling and turbo engine, we're just no match to the A4 in terms of autox or dragstrip.

KC

sauceman

Doesn't mean much in Speed WC. They will get rewards weight and fall behind. If they're too fast, they'll get restricted. It just makes it that much further from the reality of stock cars.

Last year in Mosport there was a Neon SRT4 on the grid, and that car was by far the slowest of the pack. Goes to say how reality isn't reflected by that race series. Not bashing on it, I think it's an awesome series, but we shouldn't base ourselves on much from what we see during those races to say what will come out from two stock cars.

In the A4 2.0's case, if someone's brave enough to do the money dump with it, the TSX will automatically lose. If not, driver's race.

junktionfet

I briefly ran my 2006 TSX 6 speed sans resonator against my friend's 2003 GTI 1.8T. The outcome was the complete opposite of what I expected. We were reasonably even through 60 MPH, with the GTI gaining a miniscule amount by the time I got to the top of 2nd gear. Then through 3rd gear the GTI started walking away. Even when my engine hit its "VTEC" powerband in 3rd, the GTI was virtually unphased, it was simply getting more thrust to the pavement. The GTI is absolutely 100% bone stock, and is in need of a 30k service.

So... with that said, a 170 horsepower A4 1.8T would probably be about even with a "205 horsepower" 2006 TSX, and would probably slightly outpace a 2004-2005 TSX. An A4 2.0T would have to be a measurably faster car. In a straight-up drag race, a Quattro Audi would pull ahead and stay ahead--it can get off the line and underway while the TSX's front end is still trying to sort itself out.

Maybe I should put my resonator back on?

San-AnT

aaronng

Remember, with the TSX, you make less torque in VTEC than when out of VTEC unless you have Hondata, I/H/E.

Dan Martin

For maximum acceleration, you shift at peak HP, not peak torque.

aaronng

Was commenting based on this:
Unlike the RSX-S, if you have the TSX hit VTEC when running with a turbo car, both without changing gears, the turbo car will continue pulling while the TSX just maintains acceleration. Turbo's torque doesn't drop much until peak power RPM, unlike a TSX, where the filling efficiency decreases above 6000rpm unless you have I/H/E and Hondata.

junktionfet

Gotta love turbocharged engines. Even with the mods you suggest for my TSX, my friend could perform the same mods to his GTI and it would be over before it starts.

I really wish my TSX either had a more believeable power rating, or had a turbocharger. I'm very pleased that Honda is finally persuing forced induction on a grand scale--not only with their upcoming 2.3 liter gas engine, but their 2.2 liter turbo diesel.

PearlWhite05

how about a TSX with I/H/E and RT Cat. VS. A4 1.8T with REVO chip?

I am guessing TSX with the above config has apprx 190whp and the A4 with REVO has approx 180WHP. A4 is heavier and has Quattro, not exactly best for drag.

f_399

the 2.0T has much more torque than a TSX and about the same HP stock

chipped 20T is another story...faster then most V6 out there

jaehshim

can't wait till we compare our tsx (redshift rotrex s/c installed) to chipped Audis and even S4s...

hyun

its ok my good bussy has the same car but 04 with intake, exhaust and some other shit and he walks me all day. it sucks

junktionfet

I ran against my friend's GTI back when my car had like 1000 miles or so on it. Now that I have closer to 10,000, my engine feels like it has a fair bit more pep... I'd be curious to try again

dom

Not sure why you would think that?

According to Car & Driver who to the best of my knowledge have been the only mag to test a 04 TSX MT vs a an 04 A4 1.8 MT, the TSX is far quicker.

0-60: 7.5 vs 8.1
1/4 mile: 15.7@90 vs 16.2@87
5-60: 7.9 vs 9.4
0-100: 19.9 vs 23.7
0-120: 33.7 vs 40.2


So as you can see, its really not even close. Now a 2.0T obviously changes that.

junktionfet

As I qualified in my complete post from so long ago, I thought that because of what I witnessed against my friend's GTI.

I was pitting my 1000-mile-old TSX against a GTI with tens of thousands of miles on it, and look at the result.

My TSX now has nearly 10,000 miles and it seems to feel a bit happier. I'd love to see what happens against the GTI now.

jaehshim

i dunno about the race
but transmission wise, if not 6 speed or DSG for Audi, Audi A4 2.0T sportmode on automatic is so sluggish
response is so slow...feels almost same as my old 04 ML350 sportshift - -

dom

I hadn't realized when that was posted.

And a GTI weighs considerably less than a TSX or A4 for that matter. Apples and Oranges.

mrpeeng

I actually just raced my friends A4 2.0 T auto. Both me and him have no engine mods except i take care of my car better. I won by just a nose on a straight drag between 2 lights on a long stretch of road in queens.

lcrazyaznl

iTrader: (1)

I think its when vtec kicks in we begin to pull away, I should try my friends audi again but with reflash haha.

hyun

the gti's 3rd and 4th gear pull real real hard. all u hear is the turbo spooling as it goes by u.


sucks

n1ke5h

I burned my friend's Audi A4 2.something (it was dark and i couldnt tell if it was a 2.0 or 2 or 6 or 9 or whatever). I have an '06 MT TSX with intake and racing clutch and flywheel done and he has a stock AT. I also burned my other friends stock AT Mazda 6...and to add this is my first MT car so I still suck compared to the veterens at shifting. Maybe I got lucky, but I think the '06 really does haul some ass.

matiasneto

me and my cousin race each other all the time. he has a 01 gti vr6 i/e/h and i have an aem short ram. he has not been able to beat me yet. 1st and second gear he jumps ahead of me, but once i hit vtec in second i take off compared to him.

junktionfet

I ran my now-broken-in '06 6 speed against my friend's 2003 GTI 1.8t again. Both cars are completely 100% stock.

Man, I can't imagine what the 2.0t GTIs are like because that 1.8t really lays down the power.

The GTI is able to pull ahead of the TSX through fast freeway speeds, and probably a little beyond. In fact, below 6000 RPM, the TSX cannot keep pace with the GTI. It is only after 6000 RPM that the TSX is able to merely match the GTI's rate of acceleration.

The TSX is 300lbs heavier than the GTI, but the TSX is a little more aerodynamic. I expected better results from the TSX, given its horsepower claims and engine technology. But then again, those 20 valve Turbo engines from VAG are exceptionally well tuned--so perhaps I didn't do so bad.

HondaOnWORKS

I think a 6spd CL9 can beat a 2.0T stock per stock. The TSX will be lighter of the group. Stating they are both FWD. Also the TSX would be the 06+ and up. Having i/h/e on the 06+ 6spd CL9 would obviously beat the A4. If both cars are stock the A4 and the TSX both run low-mid 15s on the 1/4...

Mr. DB2

Before I purchased my 04 6-speed I was going to buy an 07 A4 2.0t 6-speed FWD. I felt that the A4 was sort of piggish,not that the TSX is any sort of speed demon.I drove both back to back and still preferred the TSX.

import roller

If the Audi is stock, and you have those mods, you should take it. The extra weight on the Audi is going to hold it back. But, if he has any mods to help that little turbo, then the tables will be turned

chris20nyy

Audi is faster