Phase 4 (the beginning)
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Phase 4 (the beginning)
A few new parts came in today that I'm hoping to get installed soon (Josh - I'm looking at you
):
ClutchMasters FX300 (Stage 3 - Carbon Kevlar)
![](http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8553/dsc01339hm7.jpg)
Wavetrac LSD
![](http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7652/dsc01340vc0.jpg)
![](http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6220/dsc01341ip7.jpg)
Not pictured: DC5 Type R flywheel (10.25lbs) - should be arriving soon.
Oh, and a little engine "bling":
T1R radiator hoses
![](http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5765/dsc01335tr1.jpg)
Phase 4 is more of a stop-gap/reinforcement for Phase 5...and I'm sure alot of you can guess what that will be
.
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ClutchMasters FX300 (Stage 3 - Carbon Kevlar)
![](http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8553/dsc01339hm7.jpg)
Wavetrac LSD
![](http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7652/dsc01340vc0.jpg)
![](http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6220/dsc01341ip7.jpg)
Not pictured: DC5 Type R flywheel (10.25lbs) - should be arriving soon.
Oh, and a little engine "bling":
T1R radiator hoses
![](http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5765/dsc01335tr1.jpg)
Phase 4 is more of a stop-gap/reinforcement for Phase 5...and I'm sure alot of you can guess what that will be
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I be jealous. I miss the kevlar clutch on my civic. You can beat the hell out them and they just take it. Uptake is a bit quit for daily driving but you can compensate by just driving like a maniac all the time. ![Wink](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
I want to hear everything you have to say about the LSD from installation to impressions. I'm really thinking about going down that road in the future. My car is mostly stock but the terrain is pretty severe around me and I tend to do a good amount of one tire spinning.
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I want to hear everything you have to say about the LSD from installation to impressions. I'm really thinking about going down that road in the future. My car is mostly stock but the terrain is pretty severe around me and I tend to do a good amount of one tire spinning.
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Any LSD made for a RSX Type-S app should work with the TSX. In fact, from what I've seen, most aftermarket parts made for K-series motors that don't involve piping are often interchangeable.
I be jealous. I miss the kevlar clutch on my civic. You can beat the hell out them and they just take it. Uptake is a bit quit for daily driving but you can compensate by just driving like a maniac all the time. ![Wink](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
I want to hear everything you have to say about the LSD from installation to impressions. I'm really thinking about going down that road in the future. My car is mostly stock but the terrain is pretty severe around me and I tend to do a good amount of one tire spinning.
![Wink](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
I want to hear everything you have to say about the LSD from installation to impressions. I'm really thinking about going down that road in the future. My car is mostly stock but the terrain is pretty severe around me and I tend to do a good amount of one tire spinning.
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I will not be doing the LSD install myself (lack of tools...and knowledge
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Awesome setup ![Woot](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/woot.gif)
I've read a lot of good things about the Wavetrac LSD. Power is one thing, but putting all the power to the ground is another. Your car is coming together nicely and this setup will be perfect for when you up the boost
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I've read a lot of good things about the Wavetrac LSD. Power is one thing, but putting all the power to the ground is another. Your car is coming together nicely and this setup will be perfect for when you up the boost
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K-Pro is definitely Phase 5. Aren't you running methanol on high boost right now?
Soon I'm going to be chasing after you, assuming all goes well with my '07 at Hondata this weekend. K-Pro + 10psi + RSX LSD = here we go…
Soon I'm going to be chasing after you, assuming all goes well with my '07 at Hondata this weekend. K-Pro + 10psi + RSX LSD = here we go…
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Good luck with the K-Pro testing this week. I believe kuma912 on the "other" website is attempting to do the same thing, so I'm sure the 07-08 guys are rooting for both of you
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#18
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Everything's installed...
Quick update: All tranny components have been installed.
There were scheduling conflicts with Josh/Jamie @ Excelerate (i.e. I was impatient) so I went to another shop for the install. Consequently, I want to say thanks to Greg @ JK Motorsports. Him and his team did a great job handling the install
.
First impressions are definitely positive. Due to the fact that the carbon kevlar disc requires careful break-in, I won't be able to push the car for at least 6-700 miles. That said, the steering feels heavier with the LSD installed - but in a good way. The car seems much more planted around bends, even when I'm not pushing it.
By contrast, the clutch pedal is extremely light - lighter than stock which surprised me. Also, the engagement point is considerably lower (which did not surprise me). One thing is for sure, the car revs SO much quicker with the DC5 Type-R flywheel. I don't even have to give it more than 20-30% throttle and the car accelerates much quicker. I can't wait to step on it once the break-in period is over.
I will come back with more impressions in the next few weeks, but suffice it to say I'm very pleased with the results so far......oh, and I also really miss boost
.
Phase 5 is only 2-3 weeks away
...
There were scheduling conflicts with Josh/Jamie @ Excelerate (i.e. I was impatient) so I went to another shop for the install. Consequently, I want to say thanks to Greg @ JK Motorsports. Him and his team did a great job handling the install
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First impressions are definitely positive. Due to the fact that the carbon kevlar disc requires careful break-in, I won't be able to push the car for at least 6-700 miles. That said, the steering feels heavier with the LSD installed - but in a good way. The car seems much more planted around bends, even when I'm not pushing it.
By contrast, the clutch pedal is extremely light - lighter than stock which surprised me. Also, the engagement point is considerably lower (which did not surprise me). One thing is for sure, the car revs SO much quicker with the DC5 Type-R flywheel. I don't even have to give it more than 20-30% throttle and the car accelerates much quicker. I can't wait to step on it once the break-in period is over.
I will come back with more impressions in the next few weeks, but suffice it to say I'm very pleased with the results so far......oh, and I also really miss boost
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Phase 5 is only 2-3 weeks away
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#20
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Glad to hear your positive impressions... did they wash your car after all? When I dropped you off it looked pretty clean (then again, compared to my car before I washed it, any car looked clean...). Also, how long is that JK Motorsports license plate frame staying on there? Haha
I'm over here (im)patiently waiting on Phase 3... it'll be nice to have that in time for the nice weather.
I'm over here (im)patiently waiting on Phase 3... it'll be nice to have that in time for the nice weather.
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Glad to hear your positive impressions... did they wash your car after all? When I dropped you off it looked pretty clean (then again, compared to my car before I washed it, any car looked clean...). Also, how long is that JK Motorsports license plate frame staying on there? Haha
I'm over here (im)patiently waiting on Phase 3... it'll be nice to have that in time for the nice weather.
I'm over here (im)patiently waiting on Phase 3... it'll be nice to have that in time for the nice weather.
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The blower is gonna rock your world...
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Thanks for all the advice you've given me. I wouldn't have ended up with the DC5 Type-R flywheel if it wasn't for you
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Jamie will be a very valuable asset, and between the two of you there'll be almost nothing that can't be done at your shop
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And don't worry - I'll be removing the license plate frame since you know I don't like having anything on there.
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Haha, don't consider this a criticism on your work - all the work you've done (which is alot) has been high quality and well priced. You know that if you guys could've taken me sooner, I would've gone with you.
Jamie will be a very valuable asset, and between the two of you there'll be almost nothing that can't be done at your shop
.
And don't worry - I'll be removing the license plate frame since you know I don't like having anything on there.
Jamie will be a very valuable asset, and between the two of you there'll be almost nothing that can't be done at your shop
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And don't worry - I'll be removing the license plate frame since you know I don't like having anything on there.
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Oh and we may have someone who can tune Hondata for us.
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impressions
OK, so I finished the self-enforced 700-mile+ break-in period last night (ClutchMasters recommended 500 miles) and decided I would go for a quick spirited drive on my way back from work.
To sum up my impressions in one word......WOW![Ecstatic](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ecstatic.gif)
![Love](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/love.gif)
!!!
Clutch (ClutchMasters FX300)
Pedal pressure is also very close to stock. It might be very slightly heavier, but the positive tradeoff is considerably more feedback and less mush.
In normal day-to-day driving, clutch engagement is extremely smooth. It feels almost exactly like stock (albeit a little more grabby). In slow moving traffic, you can slip it without problem and it remains silent (no chatter common with puck clutches).
However, when pushing the car, the clutch grabs really hard. Engagement is forceful but not brutal, and it feels so much more connected/solid all throughout the rev range.
Overall, it really is the best of both worlds - the ease of use like a standard organic clutch with the holding qualities of a race clutch. But again, with any type of kevlar-based friction plate, the break-in period is key. Additionally, I wouldn't recommend this clutch setup for anyone planning to drag their car as the material is not designed for the excessive overheating that will be generated from hard launches or power shifting.
Flywheel (JDM DC5 Type-R)
Throttle response is immensely improved and the engine revs considerably more freely now, regardless of where I am in the RPM band. I was worried about the significant weight decrease affecting the ability to maintain highway speeds, but no such issues exist.
The one issue I have is not a deficiency with the flywheel so much as our horribly calibrated DBW system. While having improved response is excellent, the problem is that now it's much more difficult to actually modulate the throttle. Consequently, I find it slightly more difficult to rev match my downshifts efficiently because even the slightest input will either rev too much or too little - there's very little consistency. If there was a way to re-calibrate our DBW system to function more like the one in the 06+ S2000, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.
LSD (Wavetrac)
In my life, I've driven many cars with LSDs as standard so I had no point of reference with those particular experiences. But with the TSX, words truly can't describe what a difference having a proper differential makes on every driving aspect. From acceleration to cornering, everything is night and day.
For fun, I did a few 1st-2nd quick acceleration runs (no launches, though). Before, chirping the tires was essentially involuntary at WOT. Now...there's nothing. I tried my hardest to spin the tires, and they wouldn't. I was just pinned to the back of my seat by the acceleration. Amazing...
If anything, taking corners with the LSD was even more impressive. The car has this unbelievably planted feel now and understeer is quite literally non-existent. With the inner wheel now receiving additional power from the driveshaft, I can feel the car pulling me towards the middle of an apex. Having this amount of grip gives me a new level of confidence. I feel like I can attack the corners rather than just "carve" them. I really am at a loss for words to describe how good my car feels in the corners now.
This is one of my two favorite mods by far. Dare I say it - overall, I might even like it more than the supercharger (
). If you prefer straight-line speed and highway passing, then the supercharger is a great mod. However, if carving up windy backroads is your preference, I'd spend the money on an LSD first hands down.
I am VERY, VERY pleased with how my Phase 4 turned out. If anyone is looking for a solid, track-ready setup that is extremely streetable, look no further
.
To sum up my impressions in one word......WOW
![Ecstatic](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ecstatic.gif)
![Love](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/love.gif)
![Ecstatic](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ecstatic.gif)
Clutch (ClutchMasters FX300)
Pedal pressure is also very close to stock. It might be very slightly heavier, but the positive tradeoff is considerably more feedback and less mush.
In normal day-to-day driving, clutch engagement is extremely smooth. It feels almost exactly like stock (albeit a little more grabby). In slow moving traffic, you can slip it without problem and it remains silent (no chatter common with puck clutches).
However, when pushing the car, the clutch grabs really hard. Engagement is forceful but not brutal, and it feels so much more connected/solid all throughout the rev range.
Overall, it really is the best of both worlds - the ease of use like a standard organic clutch with the holding qualities of a race clutch. But again, with any type of kevlar-based friction plate, the break-in period is key. Additionally, I wouldn't recommend this clutch setup for anyone planning to drag their car as the material is not designed for the excessive overheating that will be generated from hard launches or power shifting.
Flywheel (JDM DC5 Type-R)
Throttle response is immensely improved and the engine revs considerably more freely now, regardless of where I am in the RPM band. I was worried about the significant weight decrease affecting the ability to maintain highway speeds, but no such issues exist.
The one issue I have is not a deficiency with the flywheel so much as our horribly calibrated DBW system. While having improved response is excellent, the problem is that now it's much more difficult to actually modulate the throttle. Consequently, I find it slightly more difficult to rev match my downshifts efficiently because even the slightest input will either rev too much or too little - there's very little consistency. If there was a way to re-calibrate our DBW system to function more like the one in the 06+ S2000, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.
LSD (Wavetrac)
In my life, I've driven many cars with LSDs as standard so I had no point of reference with those particular experiences. But with the TSX, words truly can't describe what a difference having a proper differential makes on every driving aspect. From acceleration to cornering, everything is night and day.
For fun, I did a few 1st-2nd quick acceleration runs (no launches, though). Before, chirping the tires was essentially involuntary at WOT. Now...there's nothing. I tried my hardest to spin the tires, and they wouldn't. I was just pinned to the back of my seat by the acceleration. Amazing...
If anything, taking corners with the LSD was even more impressive. The car has this unbelievably planted feel now and understeer is quite literally non-existent. With the inner wheel now receiving additional power from the driveshaft, I can feel the car pulling me towards the middle of an apex. Having this amount of grip gives me a new level of confidence. I feel like I can attack the corners rather than just "carve" them. I really am at a loss for words to describe how good my car feels in the corners now.
This is one of my two favorite mods by far. Dare I say it - overall, I might even like it more than the supercharger (
![what](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/what.gif)
I am VERY, VERY pleased with how my Phase 4 turned out. If anyone is looking for a solid, track-ready setup that is extremely streetable, look no further
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This is one of my two favorite mods by far. Dare I say it - overall, I might even like it more than the supercharger (
). If you prefer straight-line speed and highway passing, then the supercharger is a great mod. However, if carving up windy backroads is your preference, I'd spend the money on an LSD first hands down.
![what](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/what.gif)
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#36
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Isn't it just convienant that you have both mods on the car?
I would assume having the LSD to put the SC ower down to the road is quite different than before. The limited or no wheel spin must improve the overall feel of straight line exceleration. Glad to hear the impressions are good and the money was well spent. I take it that the LSD would benefit a 5AT car as well? Also care to give a ball park cost on the hardware needed and installation?
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OK, so I finished the self-enforced 700-mile+ break-in period last night (ClutchMasters recommended 500 miles) and decided I would go for a quick spirited drive on my way back from work.
To sum up my impressions in one word......WOW![Ecstatic](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ecstatic.gif)
![Love](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/love.gif)
!!!
Clutch (ClutchMasters FX300)
Pedal pressure is also very close to stock. It might be very slightly heavier, but the positive tradeoff is considerably more feedback and less mush.
In normal day-to-day driving, clutch engagement is extremely smooth. It feels almost exactly like stock (albeit a little more grabby). In slow moving traffic, you can slip it without problem and it remains silent (no chatter common with puck clutches).
However, when pushing the car, the clutch grabs really hard. Engagement is forceful but not brutal, and it feels so much more connected/solid all throughout the rev range.
Overall, it really is the best of both worlds - the ease of use like a standard organic clutch with the holding qualities of a race clutch. But again, with any type of kevlar-based friction plate, the break-in period is key. Additionally, I wouldn't recommend this clutch setup for anyone planning to drag their car as the material is not designed for the excessive overheating that will be generated from hard launches or power shifting.
Flywheel (JDM DC5 Type-R)
Throttle response is immensely improved and the engine revs considerably more freely now, regardless of where I am in the RPM band. I was worried about the significant weight decrease affecting the ability to maintain highway speeds, but no such issues exist.
The one issue I have is not a deficiency with the flywheel so much as our horribly calibrated DBW system. While having improved response is excellent, the problem is that now it's much more difficult to actually modulate the throttle. Consequently, I find it slightly more difficult to rev match my downshifts efficiently because even the slightest input will either rev too much or too little - there's very little consistency. If there was a way to re-calibrate our DBW system to function more like the one in the 06+ S2000, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.
LSD (Wavetrac)
In my life, I've driven many cars with LSDs as standard so I had no point of reference with those particular experiences. But with the TSX, words truly can't describe what a difference having a proper differential makes on every driving aspect. From acceleration to cornering, everything is night and day.
For fun, I did a few 1st-2nd quick acceleration runs (no launches, though). Before, chirping the tires was essentially involuntary at WOT. Now...there's nothing. I tried my hardest to spin the tires, and they wouldn't. I was just pinned to the back of my seat by the acceleration. Amazing...
If anything, taking corners with the LSD was even more impressive. The car has this unbelievably planted feel now and understeer is quite literally non-existent. With the inner wheel now receiving additional power from the driveshaft, I can feel the car pulling me towards the middle of an apex. Having this amount of grip gives me a new level of confidence. I feel like I can attack the corners rather than just "carve" them. I really am at a loss for words to describe how good my car feels in the corners now.
This is one of my two favorite mods by far. Dare I say it - overall, I might even like it more than the supercharger (
). If you prefer straight-line speed and highway passing, then the supercharger is a great mod. However, if carving up windy backroads is your preference, I'd spend the money on an LSD first hands down.
I am VERY, VERY pleased with how my Phase 4 turned out. If anyone is looking for a solid, track-ready setup that is extremely streetable, look no further
.
To sum up my impressions in one word......WOW
![Ecstatic](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ecstatic.gif)
![Love](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/love.gif)
![Ecstatic](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ecstatic.gif)
Clutch (ClutchMasters FX300)
Pedal pressure is also very close to stock. It might be very slightly heavier, but the positive tradeoff is considerably more feedback and less mush.
In normal day-to-day driving, clutch engagement is extremely smooth. It feels almost exactly like stock (albeit a little more grabby). In slow moving traffic, you can slip it without problem and it remains silent (no chatter common with puck clutches).
However, when pushing the car, the clutch grabs really hard. Engagement is forceful but not brutal, and it feels so much more connected/solid all throughout the rev range.
Overall, it really is the best of both worlds - the ease of use like a standard organic clutch with the holding qualities of a race clutch. But again, with any type of kevlar-based friction plate, the break-in period is key. Additionally, I wouldn't recommend this clutch setup for anyone planning to drag their car as the material is not designed for the excessive overheating that will be generated from hard launches or power shifting.
Flywheel (JDM DC5 Type-R)
Throttle response is immensely improved and the engine revs considerably more freely now, regardless of where I am in the RPM band. I was worried about the significant weight decrease affecting the ability to maintain highway speeds, but no such issues exist.
The one issue I have is not a deficiency with the flywheel so much as our horribly calibrated DBW system. While having improved response is excellent, the problem is that now it's much more difficult to actually modulate the throttle. Consequently, I find it slightly more difficult to rev match my downshifts efficiently because even the slightest input will either rev too much or too little - there's very little consistency. If there was a way to re-calibrate our DBW system to function more like the one in the 06+ S2000, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat.
LSD (Wavetrac)
In my life, I've driven many cars with LSDs as standard so I had no point of reference with those particular experiences. But with the TSX, words truly can't describe what a difference having a proper differential makes on every driving aspect. From acceleration to cornering, everything is night and day.
For fun, I did a few 1st-2nd quick acceleration runs (no launches, though). Before, chirping the tires was essentially involuntary at WOT. Now...there's nothing. I tried my hardest to spin the tires, and they wouldn't. I was just pinned to the back of my seat by the acceleration. Amazing...
If anything, taking corners with the LSD was even more impressive. The car has this unbelievably planted feel now and understeer is quite literally non-existent. With the inner wheel now receiving additional power from the driveshaft, I can feel the car pulling me towards the middle of an apex. Having this amount of grip gives me a new level of confidence. I feel like I can attack the corners rather than just "carve" them. I really am at a loss for words to describe how good my car feels in the corners now.
This is one of my two favorite mods by far. Dare I say it - overall, I might even like it more than the supercharger (
![what](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/what.gif)
I am VERY, VERY pleased with how my Phase 4 turned out. If anyone is looking for a solid, track-ready setup that is extremely streetable, look no further
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It sounds like the tranny mods really made a big difference. You're car must be a lot of fun to drive!! I'm glad everything turned out so good.
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Wow. That sounds phenomenal! Great write up, I really get a great sense on exactly how the mods have changed the car. Enough to know how much I would personally love them on mine based on my driving style and what I want out of my car.
I am so very, very, very jealous. Congrats!
I am so very, very, very jealous. Congrats!
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