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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 02:23 AM
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YAY broke 7 seconds..

well, barely broke 7 seconds (0-60). time was 6.98s according to my g-timer.
this is amazing to me, considering i have a automatic '04 tsx. mods are hondata (not fixed yet, i want to retime after i get the ecu fixed), custom exhaust, injen intake.

what do you guys think? good for an AT, no? it seems i always get much better times at late night (it was 41 degrees F outside).. the cold makes it better? didnt think the air being cold would make any noticable difference.. whatever. im happy!

while im on the topic of performance, what should my next mod be? its been about half a year since i did anything to my car. im tempted to get headers, but the high-flow cat.. is it worth it? supercharger is out of the question at the moment.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 02:26 AM
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under 7 sec. with auto??
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 02:45 AM
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ya i took a pic of the reading from the timer, its on a cellphone camera tho so i dunno if you can read it. tell me if you want me to put it up. ive gotten 7.2-7.4 before as my best times, but breaking 7 is pretty sweet for an auto.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 09:10 AM
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ya i took a pic of the reading from the timer, its on a cellphone camera tho so i dunno if you can read it. tell me if you want me to put it up. ive gotten 7.2-7.4 before as my best times, but breaking 7 is pretty sweet for an auto.
Did you add another mod since you ran 7.2-7.4 or just get a better start? Under 7 is pretty nice but I wouldn't challenge any Turbo Cayennes just yet.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dingobiatch
well, barely broke 7 seconds (0-60). time was 6.98s according to my g-timer.
this is amazing to me, considering i have a automatic '04 tsx. mods are hondata (not fixed yet, i want to retime after i get the ecu fixed), custom exhaust, injen intake.

what do you guys think? good for an AT, no? it seems i always get much better times at late night (it was 41 degrees F outside).. the cold makes it better? didnt think the air being cold would make any noticable difference.. whatever. im happy!

while im on the topic of performance, what should my next mod be? its been about half a year since i did anything to my car. im tempted to get headers, but the high-flow cat.. is it worth it? supercharger is out of the question at the moment.
Is this even possible with a 5AT with the only mods being an exhaust and intake? Not to mention that the 5AT Hondata ECU is the buggy version where there is a massive torque drop above 5k. Man, i'm tempted to try this gtimer thing on my car. I have a 5AT with fixed hondata ECU, comptech icebox, comptech header, random tech hi flo cat, and light weight rims. I should be able to get at least 7 seconds too. =)
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 09:30 AM
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You have a cold air intake on your car and didn't realize that cold air makes a difference in power?
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 10:19 AM
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Cold air makes a difference, it is more dense than warm so it has more oxygen per volume than warm air. So yes, the engine tends to feel more powerful when it is cold outside. The down side is you get worse fuel economy with colder air than with warm ambient air, something we experience every year in Chicago.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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How the heck did you launch? That is the main thing that'll be a big ding against your time in the TSX 5AT. Did you neutral drop?
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by NJTSXMan
Is this even possible with a 5AT with the only mods being an exhaust and intake? Not to mention that the 5AT Hondata ECU is the buggy version where there is a massive torque drop above 5k. Man, i'm tempted to try this gtimer thing on my car. I have a 5AT with fixed hondata ECU, comptech icebox, comptech header, random tech hi flo cat, and light weight rims. I should be able to get at least 7 seconds too. =)
I don't see why not?

There has been plenty of documented proof that the TSX is nowhere near as slow as people try to make it out to be. Although the G-Timer is not the best measure, even if the variance were around a few tenths of a second, it is still a solid performance by a car that some magazines have only managed to get 9+ sec 0-60 times (*cough*consumer reports*cough*) from.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 11:18 AM
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my butt dyno > your g-tech timer

hehe ;p
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 02:44 PM
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How the heck did you launch? That is the main thing that'll be a big ding against your time in the TSX 5AT. Did you neutral drop?
Neutral dropping it would have thrown the numbers out the window. Maybe they did.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 03:24 PM
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maybe you were going downhill??? Try timing when u go up and down the street.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 03:26 PM
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Man. 5at is slow.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 03:43 PM
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no, no neutral drop. dont wanna kill my car. i had VSA off, seems to give me better times. could just be my imagination though. and ya, i knew cold air made a difference but didnt think it would be putting me at just under 7 secs 0-60. didnt think that was possible.
and i wasn't going downhill, ive gotten my best times going both up and down the street i was on.

anyway, do you guys think i should get a random tech cat or a header? if header, what's the best one i can get? i hear comptech's header is really not that great..
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dingobiatch
no, no neutral drop. dont wanna kill my car. i had VSA off, seems to give me better times. could just be my imagination though. and ya, i knew cold air made a difference but didnt think it would be putting me at just under 7 secs 0-60. didnt think that was possible.
and i wasn't going downhill, ive gotten my best times going both up and down the street i was on.

anyway, do you guys think i should get a random tech cat or a header? if header, what's the best one i can get? i hear comptech's header is really not that great..
You should do a stop watch test in addition to utilizing the G-timer. lol.
As for the header, I would go for the comptech if you can afford it. It is much better build quality (stainless steel versus ceramic) and vtec.net reviewed the header and concluded that it produced slightly more power than the dc header. As for the random tech cat, you can never go wrong with it. I have it and I have no problems with you.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NJTSXMan
You should do a stop watch test in addition to utilizing the G-timer. lol.
As for the header, I would go for the comptech if you can afford it. It is much better build quality (stainless steel versus ceramic) and vtec.net reviewed the header and concluded that it produced slightly more power than the dc header. As for the random tech cat, you can never go wrong with it. I have it and I have no problems with you.

Oops.. i meant to say that I have no problems with it.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 04:37 PM
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Something's wrong with the G-timer... Maybe it meant 7.98
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 05:15 PM
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It will be nice to be near the 6 sec.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 05:21 PM
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 07:05 PM
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It will be nice to be near the 6 sec.
wait on the boys with the S/C...
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 07:09 PM
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i wonder if anyone will break 6s. jtso?
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NJTSXMan
Is this even possible with a 5AT with the only mods being an exhaust and intake? Not to mention that the 5AT Hondata ECU is the buggy version where there is a massive torque drop above 5k. Man, i'm tempted to try this gtimer thing on my car. I have a 5AT with fixed hondata ECU, comptech icebox, comptech header, random tech hi flo cat, and light weight rims. I should be able to get at least 7 seconds too. =)

Wait Wait, the 5AT Hondata is NOT OUT YET....so how is that a possibility
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 07:51 PM
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The 2004 5AT hondata reflash has been out for quite some time. I have it myself. Since the 05 6MT hondata reflash is out.. it is only a matter of time before the 05 version becomes avaiable.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 07:54 PM
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Wait Wait, the 5AT Hondata is NOT OUT YET....so how is that a possibility
i believe '04 and some '05s are possible
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 08:04 PM
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2005 i meant, sorry
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 08:21 PM
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Wait Wait, the 5AT Hondata is NOT OUT YET....so how is that a possibility
People have swapped 04 ECUs into 05 to get the effects of the reflash.

Of course, if you look in the big Hondata thread, you'll notice that the 05 reflash has become available for the MTs. The ATs can't be too far off.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 09:40 PM
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Hate to rain on your parade but most of those Gtech style meters are innacurate. They told me my car would run 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and run 12.80s in the quarter mile at 110mph


lets just say it was off by more than half a second to 60 and more than 3 tenths in the quarter...
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 10:44 PM
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i dont know about your experiences with timers, but we have tested an sti, passat, and scion, all with the times that we should be getting. i think its pretty accurate.
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Old Feb 14, 2006 | 11:49 PM
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I agree about the G-tech timer being inaccurate. Nothing indicates a TSX 5AT should come anywhere close to 7 seconds flat 0-60. In a race with the loaner 5AT TSX I had for a month, and a 98 Camry I4 - the TSX won but not by a huge amount, and the Camry does 0-60 in about 10 seconds. I'd say the TSX 5AT stock is no faster than 8.5, if that.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 01:19 AM
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hmmm.. i dont know, i believe that if it is inaccurate, its not more than a few tenths of a second off. theres no way its a full second off or anything.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 01:27 AM
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Is it possible to take some video maybe?? I ain't calling BS on you, but I need to see it to believe it.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 01:37 AM
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i dont have a video, i took pics of each reading from last night tho. hold on, ill post it in a sec.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 01:42 AM
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here:



in case anyone is confused, i did the run last night. i took the pics today cause the camera couldnt pick up the display at night (camera phones suck).

oh btw, can anyone figure out from those numbers where i went right during the acceleration?
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 07:59 AM
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hmmm.. i dont know, i believe that if it is inaccurate, its not more than a few tenths of a second off. theres no way its a full second off or anything.
Sure it can be, its bases much of its calculations off the initial pull when you hit the accelerator. On LT1 powered cars for example its notorious for being way off because of the way the motors develope power and throttle response of the motors.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 11:20 AM
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wait on the boys with the S/C...
Sorry guys. Im not kenny. And I dont have a supercharger yet. Kenny is TSX536 not TSX559. He is in north cali and im in central cali. Just 2-3 hours away. Sorry if its confusing you guys. LOL
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 11:58 AM
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Well done. 5AT all the way. Great acceleration better fuel economy.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TSX559
Sorry guys. Im not kenny. And I dont have a supercharger yet. Kenny is TSX536 not TSX559. He is in north cali and im in central cali. Just 2-3 hours away. Sorry if its confusing you guys. LOL
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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Can that thing time a 1/4 mile? It's way off on that 6.98 0-60 pull. If a TSX can't get away from the 10.1 second I4 Camry in my test, it's not running anywhere close to a 6.98 0-60. Yeah yeah you may say that a TSX can totally destroy a 133hp Camry I4, but in the 0-75 race, it only won by 2 car lengths. Big hp difference, but not big torque difference. Camry had 147tq at 4400rpm, 250lbs lighter. The TSX's additional 250lbs and 19tq advantage just isn't enough to destroy it.

Case in point is that the 5AT TSX is.. well, adequate. It's not about the speed. And it's delusional to believe you can run a 6.98 0-60 in a 5AT TSX. If you want an accurate time, take it to the track and post a 1/4 mile timeslip - that's more telling of performance than anything.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 02:48 PM
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Can that thing time a 1/4 mile? It's way off on that 6.98 0-60 pull. If a TSX can't get away from the 10.1 second I4 Camry in my test, it's not running anywhere close to a 6.98 0-60. Yeah yeah you may say that a TSX can totally destroy a 133hp Camry I4, but in the 0-75 race, it only won by 2 car lengths. Big hp difference, but not big torque difference. Camry had 147tq at 4400rpm, 250lbs lighter. The TSX's additional 250lbs and 19tq advantage just isn't enough to destroy it.

Case in point is that the 5AT TSX is.. well, adequate. It's not about the speed. And it's delusional to believe you can run a 6.98 0-60 in a 5AT TSX. If you want an accurate time, take it to the track and post a 1/4 mile timeslip - that's more telling of performance than anything.
Don't forget that he has the hondata reflash and an aftermarket intake. Not sure how accurate the 6.98 really is but I bet you he can beat that Camry by more than 2 carlenths. My
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 04:33 PM
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ya my car is not stock. And dont base your opinion on one stock test drive.
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