Is it possible to make our TSX faster than an RSX Type-s without turbo or s/c?
03-12-2005, 08:36 AM
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Sure it can beat a stock RSX...but this is what you will need. Injen intake, DC header (have the end tack welded so it wont break) Exhaust, Hondata, cams when they come out, and adjustable timing gears. Thats engine, suspension you will need a coil overs of some sort, larger strut brace and sway bar, and camber kit. You should also get some lighter wheels and tires with a sticky contact patch.
I would also recommend a shortshifter with metal bushings.
This im sure of will beat any stock RSX type S. BUT IF YOU GO MOD FOR MOD YOU WILL LOSE...
I would also recommend a shortshifter with metal bushings.
This im sure of will beat any stock RSX type S. BUT IF YOU GO MOD FOR MOD YOU WILL LOSE...
03-12-2005, 09:53 AM
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RSX-S
Curb weight: 2840 lbs
Horsepower: 210
13.52 lbs per horsepower
TSX (5AT)
Curb weight: 3318 lbs
Horsepower: 200
16.59 lbs per horsepower
If you didn't reduce the weight of the TSX you'd need about 245 horsepower to keep up with a stock RSX-S. That's ignoring that a 5AT transmission is about 8 to 10% less efficient than a 6MT so really you're going to need high 260's at the crank to keep up.
A 260hp naturally aspirated engine won't be easy to do and would cost a hell of a lot more than a turbo or supercharger.
Curb weight: 2840 lbs
Horsepower: 210
13.52 lbs per horsepower
TSX (5AT)
Curb weight: 3318 lbs
Horsepower: 200
16.59 lbs per horsepower
If you didn't reduce the weight of the TSX you'd need about 245 horsepower to keep up with a stock RSX-S. That's ignoring that a 5AT transmission is about 8 to 10% less efficient than a 6MT so really you're going to need high 260's at the crank to keep up.
A 260hp naturally aspirated engine won't be easy to do and would cost a hell of a lot more than a turbo or supercharger.
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03-12-2005, 04:41 PM
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There's not much you can do to your transmission to make it more efficient.
Nothing short of a turbo or supercharger will get you into RSX-S teritory. You should easily be able to beat an RSX-S with the comptech kit when it comes out.
Nothing short of a turbo or supercharger will get you into RSX-S teritory. You should easily be able to beat an RSX-S with the comptech kit when it comes out.
03-14-2005, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ignatiuslee
actually can we do anything with the transmission computer to improve the shifting speed or other things?
03-15-2005, 08:05 AM
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But why buy an AT if you had designs on hunting RSX-S's?? Why buy a TSX period? Even a MT will need considerable work to chase down an S which easily breaks into the 14's stock.
03-15-2005, 08:18 AM
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http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread...ight=TSX+track
Food for thought. Auto TSX 16.085 sec @ 86MPH. No timeslip though.
Food for thought. Auto TSX 16.085 sec @ 86MPH. No timeslip though.
03-15-2005, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kaikai114
How about an "Unlocked AT"? I've seen this Supra with "unlocked AT" doing 9 seconds on a quarter mile. What exactly is an unlocked AT?
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It's been a while since I really looked into torque converters so if anyone would like to correct any of my points, please feel free to do so.
Automatic transmissions use a torque converter instead of a clutch to link the engine to the transmission. A torque converter is basically a big fluid pump and the faster the engine spins, the harder it pumps. If the engine is spinning faster than the transmission, the torque converter can actually multiply the amount of torque being delivered.
Unfortunately having the transmission spinning at a slower speed than the engine isn't exactly efficient and this is usually why ATs get worse mileage than MTs. When the torque converter is spinning faster than the transmission, a great deal of heat is generated. Ideally the engine and transmission would be directly connected, which is where Lockup Torque Converters come into play.
The lockup torque converter has a clutch that will lock the transmission to the engine at high speeds. This greatly improves efficency but at the cost of some increased torque, especially at low speeds. Drag racers will often remove the lockup clutch to get the power back because they aren't concerned with heat or increased fuel consumption.
03-15-2005, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ignatiuslee
Actually I am thinking to improve the AT transmission first. What modification can be done to improve it?
Some drag racers will mount a high stall speed torque converter which allows the engine to launch at much higher revs. The problem with that is it's brutal for a daily driver.
Focus on engine mods for performance.
03-16-2005, 09:49 AM
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and mod it then you can beat a stock type S with no FI.
domn edit: Stoke I accidentally edited your post, sorry. I meant to click quote but chose edit instead. If you can't edit this let me know what you want to say and I'll change it back for you.
Sorry.
domn edit: Stoke I accidentally edited your post, sorry. I meant to click quote but chose edit instead. If you can't edit this let me know what you want to say and I'll change it back for you.
Sorry.
03-16-2005, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Stokeless_TSX
and mod it then you can beat a stock type S with no FI.
domn edit: Stoke I accidentally edited your post, sorry. I meant to click quote but chose edit instead. If you can't edit this let me know what you want to say and I'll change it back for you.
Sorry.
domn edit: Stoke I accidentally edited your post, sorry. I meant to click quote but chose edit instead. If you can't edit this let me know what you want to say and I'll change it back for you.
Sorry.
Thats what I was saying GAWD IDIOT lol
03-16-2005, 10:21 AM
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AT? TSX? beating a STOCK rsx type s?
oh my.
even with i/h/e you'll get spanked silly.
then you can get suspension - then get spanked silly again.
then you can shave weight by takin out your rear seats - then still get spanked.
good luck man, even w/ i/h/e and hondata on a MT tsx, i dont even know if that combo would be a rsx-s. i hope it does tho, b/c that's what i'll have hehe.
but AT, you might as well pack your bags and go home. call it quits. ANY rsx-s would eat you for lunch, breakfast and dinner - then spit you out like stale chewing gum.
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oh my.
even with i/h/e you'll get spanked silly.
then you can get suspension - then get spanked silly again.
then you can shave weight by takin out your rear seats - then still get spanked.
good luck man, even w/ i/h/e and hondata on a MT tsx, i dont even know if that combo would be a rsx-s. i hope it does tho, b/c that's what i'll have hehe.
but AT, you might as well pack your bags and go home. call it quits. ANY rsx-s would eat you for lunch, breakfast and dinner - then spit you out like stale chewing gum.
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03-16-2005, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Stokeless_TSX
:troutslap AHHHH no i cant edit it lol you suck. I dont remember what I said but I do know that I said he has an auto and he should have gotten an MT to even have a chance. Without FI you lose plain and simple unless the driver has no skills what so ever. If you want to beat a stock type S trade in your AT and get a Type S. Mod it out and then you can beat a stock Type S.
Thats what I was saying GAWD IDIOT lol
Thats what I was saying GAWD IDIOT lol
AT tsx w/ FI = how come the stock rsx-s is still faster than me?
rsx-s driver :
or you're first. 
MT would get spanked, too. 
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03-16-2005, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by domn
STFU dzuy.
i have some justification for that comment you know.
1.i knew a guy with a turbocharged civic ex AT coupe, 7 lbs of boost, intake and exhuast
and he couldn't even barely break high 15's. i think his best time was 15.7 or so.
that being said, an stock AT tsx is supposed to run what? 16 or 17 second 1/4 miles?
and a stock rsx-s runs 15.0s.
and you expect a turbo to shave 2 seconds off?
our compression isn't extremely high, but it's not exactly turbo friendly either. so dont expect to push some insane amount of boost through our motor anyway.
i'm not making a crack against AT, i'm merely speakin the truth. if domn or any other AT driver takes offense - they should first realize that AT tsx's are at a disadvantage from the beginning.
2. my comment towards suspension:
having a better suspension does make your car quicker. i have no idea where you got the impression that i said that MT's handle better.
and no where did i explcitily say that a MT tsx w/ hondata i/h/e will be quicker than an rsx-s.
i think someone here needs to stop reading between the damn lines and only read my posts for what they explicitly say.
and yes, i still hold the opinion that a stock rsx-s will be faster than FI AT TSX. period.