Which is faster? 5AT or 6MT?
07-17-2003, 04:05 PM
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Which is faster? 5AT or 6MT?
I've heard conflicting reports about which is faster... the 5AT or the 6MT? Anyone have any independent data on this subject?
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07-18-2003, 04:35 AM
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I was asking the dealer that very question when i test drove it. He told me the AT was slightly faster then the MT. Whether this is true or not is another question, so like he said, where are those 0-60 times.
but i don't believe what they have said...... sometimes at is faster thean MT but this is not a torque monster on drag strip on TV....
07-18-2003, 08:59 AM
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Check the scoreboard, fellas... *points to gear ratio chart*
Auto Manual
2.652 3.267 1st
1.517 1.880 2nd
1.082 1.355 3rd
0.773 1.028 4th
0.566 0.825 5th
------ 0.659 6th
Shorter (numerically higher) gears mean more torque at the wheels (i.e. it's easier for the car to move itself). Also notice that all 6 gears on the manual are "inside" of the AT's 5th gear. That means there's much less RPM falloff in every shift. On top of that MTs are more mechanically efficient. Plus the MT weighs less. There you have it.
Auto Manual
2.652 3.267 1st
1.517 1.880 2nd
1.082 1.355 3rd
0.773 1.028 4th
0.566 0.825 5th
------ 0.659 6th
Shorter (numerically higher) gears mean more torque at the wheels (i.e. it's easier for the car to move itself). Also notice that all 6 gears on the manual are "inside" of the AT's 5th gear. That means there's much less RPM falloff in every shift. On top of that MTs are more mechanically efficient. Plus the MT weighs less. There you have it.
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07-18-2003, 09:12 AM
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Re: Which is faster? 5AT or 6MT?
Originally posted by erobbins
I've heard conflicting reports about which is faster... the 5AT or the 6MT? Anyone have any independent data on this subject?
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I've heard conflicting reports about which is faster... the 5AT or the 6MT? Anyone have any independent data on this subject?
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07-18-2003, 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by ClutchPerformer
Check the scoreboard, fellas... *points to gear ratio chart*
Auto Manual
2.652 3.267 1st
1.517 1.880 2nd
1.082 1.355 3rd
0.773 1.028 4th
0.566 0.825 5th
------ 0.659 6th
Shorter (numerically higher) gears mean more torque to the ground. Also notice that all 6 gears on the manual are "inside" of the AT's 5th gear. That means there's much less RPM falloff in every shift. On top of that MTs are more mechanically efficient. Plus the MT weighs less. There you have it.
Check the scoreboard, fellas... *points to gear ratio chart*
Auto Manual
2.652 3.267 1st
1.517 1.880 2nd
1.082 1.355 3rd
0.773 1.028 4th
0.566 0.825 5th
------ 0.659 6th
Shorter (numerically higher) gears mean more torque to the ground. Also notice that all 6 gears on the manual are "inside" of the AT's 5th gear. That means there's much less RPM falloff in every shift. On top of that MTs are more mechanically efficient. Plus the MT weighs less. There you have it.
07-18-2003, 10:30 AM
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Oh yeah, the final drive ratio is also shorter (numerically higher) in the manual (4.76 vs 4.44). This means that the differences in gear ratios are amplified a little bit more in each and every gear. If anyone else tells you that the auto is faster, slap them in the face. Thanks. :P
07-23-2003, 02:16 AM
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I was asking the dealer that very question when i test drove it. He told me the AT was slightly faster then the MT. Whether this is true or not is another question, so like he said, where are those 0-60 times.
07-24-2003, 08:13 AM
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Granted, you have to be able to shift fairly quickly with the MT to get the good acceleration out of it. If you can't, you'll be beat by an AT anyway.
07-24-2003, 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by OUfan
I was told this as well....at two dealerships. I wonder where they are getting this information and if it is public.
I was told this as well....at two dealerships. I wonder where they are getting this information and if it is public.
07-24-2003, 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by ClutchPerformer
The purpose of a dealership is to sell cars. Maybe they had too many autos on the lot or something. Or they just don't know what they're talking about. Read my two posts above. They should convince you otherwise. Now go back and slap them, please.
The purpose of a dealership is to sell cars. Maybe they had too many autos on the lot or something. Or they just don't know what they're talking about. Read my two posts above. They should convince you otherwise. Now go back and slap them, please.
07-24-2003, 10:36 PM
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And furthermore...I know Acura estimates on auto vs. manual sales were heavily biased towards the 5AT. Therefore your gonna see more autos than 6MT's on the lot.
07-25-2003, 07:36 AM
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I just got a 6MT Carbon Gray/Quartz last night!!! Before that I have been doing a lot of research online and here's some 0-60 numbers:
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=3
So C&D says 7.2 but in the July 2003 Motor Trend article
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0307_30k/
MT says 7.9 for the 6MT??? 0.7 seconds is a huge gap so the guys at MT drive like my grandma???
Don't know the numbers for AT tho...
Before that I have been doing a lot of research online and here's some 0-60 numbers:http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=3
So C&D says 7.2 but in the July 2003 Motor Trend article
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0307_30k/
MT says 7.9 for the 6MT??? 0.7 seconds is a huge gap so the guys at MT drive like my grandma???
Don't know the numbers for AT tho...
07-25-2003, 02:23 PM
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Nice choice. Did you get Navi or no? Congrats
dont know how to work the quote thing yet.
The dealer I went to had 3 new TSXs come in yesterday...out of 6 only 1 was 6MT and it was CG. talk about lucky, but it didn't have Navi so no navi 4me...but they had a CG spoiler in stock they were planning to put on so that's being but on right now...cant wait to pick it up tonite...feel like a little kid on xmas eve...
other two was a silver/black AT and black/black AT w/navi...it's Courtesy Acura in Sanford, FL if anyone is in the market...talk to Robert Rosser...
dont know how to work the quote thing yet.
The dealer I went to had 3 new TSXs come in yesterday...out of 6 only 1 was 6MT and it was CG. talk about lucky, but it didn't have Navi so no navi 4me...but they had a CG spoiler in stock they were planning to put on so that's being but on right now...cant wait to pick it up tonite...feel like a little kid on xmas eve...
other two was a silver/black AT and black/black AT w/navi...it's Courtesy Acura in Sanford, FL if anyone is in the market...talk to Robert Rosser...
07-25-2003, 02:31 PM
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Great! You're only the fifth person on here to get that combination (to my knowledge). The others are Wiz, ilsmithnc, LeMasseHammer, and me. Welcome to the CG/QZ/6MT/Non-Navi club!
08-02-2003, 12:37 PM
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Man, it's a shame how uninformed alot of these salesman out there are. I don't know how somebody can take pride in the product they sell without knowing it thoroughly. I've even encountered salesman who don't even know the horsepower ratings on the car they were trying to sell me. Damn shame.
08-03-2003, 08:22 PM
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Yeah, the sad fact of the matter is that selling cars is just another RETAIL job. 9 out of 10 car salesmen (and women) don't know jack about the product they are selling. I used to work in a shoe store when I was in high school and people would ask me RIDICULOUS questions about shoes. Crap like, "What's a good running shoe?" or "Do you think my kid will grow out of these in a year?" I was like, "How the heck should I know? I'm just some 17 year old kid making minimum!" When you shop for shoes you don't expect the person in the store to b a shoe expert, but when people shop for cars they expect the sales person to know their stuff. What a joke! It's just retail!
Anyway, if you are a true gearhead you should be able to walk on to any car lot and ASTOUND the dealer with your knowledge of the car, wether it's a Dodge Ram or a VW Passat.
Anyway, if you are a true gearhead you should be able to walk on to any car lot and ASTOUND the dealer with your knowledge of the car, wether it's a Dodge Ram or a VW Passat.
08-04-2003, 10:35 AM
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ok, maybe we should start a salesmen thread...
does anyone know what the 0-60 is for an auto? a friend is thinking about getting a TSX w/auto but wanted to know if it's slower/faster then manual? if so, by how much?
does anyone know what the 0-60 is for an auto? a friend is thinking about getting a TSX w/auto but wanted to know if it's slower/faster then manual? if so, by how much?
08-04-2003, 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by blownCRV
Yeah, the sad fact of the matter is that selling cars is just another RETAIL job. 9 out of 10 car salesmen (and women) don't know jack about the product they are selling. I used to work in a shoe store when I was in high school and people would ask me RIDICULOUS questions about shoes. Crap like, "What's a good running shoe?" or "Do you think my kid will grow out of these in a year?" I was like, "How the heck should I know? I'm just some 17 year old kid making minimum!" When you shop for shoes you don't expect the person in the store to b a shoe expert, but when people shop for cars they expect the sales person to know their stuff. What a joke! It's just retail!
Anyway, if you are a true gearhead you should be able to walk on to any car lot and ASTOUND the dealer with your knowledge of the car, wether it's a Dodge Ram or a VW Passat.
Yeah, the sad fact of the matter is that selling cars is just another RETAIL job. 9 out of 10 car salesmen (and women) don't know jack about the product they are selling. I used to work in a shoe store when I was in high school and people would ask me RIDICULOUS questions about shoes. Crap like, "What's a good running shoe?" or "Do you think my kid will grow out of these in a year?" I was like, "How the heck should I know? I'm just some 17 year old kid making minimum!" When you shop for shoes you don't expect the person in the store to b a shoe expert, but when people shop for cars they expect the sales person to know their stuff. What a joke! It's just retail!
Anyway, if you are a true gearhead you should be able to walk on to any car lot and ASTOUND the dealer with your knowledge of the car, wether it's a Dodge Ram or a VW Passat.
08-04-2003, 06:03 PM
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While I disagree that car selling is just like any other retail job (like selling shoes or vacuum cleaners or whatever) I must agree that a majority of car salespeople do not know their product as well as the average informed internet shopper.
While shopping for a new car, more than half of the salesmen I talked to did not know their product, and some even ignorantly misrepresented it (or made false claims about its competition).
A small number of salesmen were honest with me about their lack of knowledge, but were "more than happy to find out for me". It was these salesmen whom I respected. I appreciate a salesman who acknowledges he's clueless about the product (either because he's new to car sales or because he hasn't been fully trained on the newest model yet), but is eager to learn, even so much as learning from a well-informed gearhead-type buyer!
Anyway, I'm sure you do a very diligent job of knowing your product (and I hope it makes you a more successful salesman!), but the same cannot be said of the majority of car salespeople I've encountered.
While shopping for a new car, more than half of the salesmen I talked to did not know their product, and some even ignorantly misrepresented it (or made false claims about its competition).
A small number of salesmen were honest with me about their lack of knowledge, but were "more than happy to find out for me". It was these salesmen whom I respected. I appreciate a salesman who acknowledges he's clueless about the product (either because he's new to car sales or because he hasn't been fully trained on the newest model yet), but is eager to learn, even so much as learning from a well-informed gearhead-type buyer!
Anyway, I'm sure you do a very diligent job of knowing your product (and I hope it makes you a more successful salesman!), but the same cannot be said of the majority of car salespeople I've encountered.
08-05-2003, 07:29 AM
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Hey, I didn't say ALL car salesmen didn't know their product, I said 9 out of 10 don't. Now as far as selling cars being a retail job... well it SHOULDN'T be considered one, but the 9 out of 10 salesmen treat it as one.
08-05-2003, 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by kurt_bradley
The auto is slower by half a second in 0-60.
The auto is slower by half a second in 0-60.
Manual: 7.9 secs
Auto: 8.4 secs
and Car&Driver:
Manual: 7.2 secs
Auto: 7.7 secs
Not bad for a 4banger in a sedan, glad I got the 6spd tho
08-07-2003, 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by dabuda2004
Thanks, so going with MotorTrend numbers:
Manual: 7.9 secs
Auto: 8.4 secs
and Car&Driver:
Manual: 7.2 secs
Auto: 7.7 secs
Not bad for a 4banger in a sedan, glad I got the 6spd tho
Thanks, so going with MotorTrend numbers:
Manual: 7.9 secs
Auto: 8.4 secs
and Car&Driver:
Manual: 7.2 secs
Auto: 7.7 secs
Not bad for a 4banger in a sedan, glad I got the 6spd tho
08-07-2003, 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by domn
Where did you get these numbers for the Auto?? I have every issue where a TSX was tested and there's nothing about the Auto 0-60 or 1/4 mile times. Are you guesstimating??
Where did you get these numbers for the Auto?? I have every issue where a TSX was tested and there's nothing about the Auto 0-60 or 1/4 mile times. Are you guesstimating??
Originally posted by kurt_bradley
The auto is slower by half a second in 0-60.
The auto is slower by half a second in 0-60.
08-07-2003, 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by gogozy
not sure .5sec for each gear shifting, or just starting, and can 5AT handle "dumping"
not sure .5sec for each gear shifting, or just starting, and can 5AT handle "dumping"
