Ok well enough of taking up the space in the Honda Tuning TSX feature thread. Here is some basic info from what I gathered along with the original info posted in that thread for trying to figure out if those with superchargers can run the spoon ETD.

So here is the two original images that caught my attention. The engine bay shot on this page and the ETD shot on the second. Look closely how the dampener bracket fits in right behind the power steering pulley. Then the picture of the ETD is self is rather funny on the second page as its almost as though they didn't want to show how it was actually mounted.





resulting posts from Honda Tuning Thread

 

Now the first thing that has been debated about when trying to use JDM CL7 engine dampeners is the terrible placement of our power steering hose on this car. It is so low it would be in the way of the ETD. However those with superchargers have a relocated powers steering pump that is pushed close to the valve cover and those making the hose stick up more possibly giving us enough clearance. This can be seen in these pics compared to stock hose location.

Stock:








You can see that JTso had to take this into account when he designed his custom ETD by moving the actual bracket to the outside of the bolts rather than the inside of the bolts due to the low stock placement of the power steering pump.

Now with the supercharger you gain a little more clearance with the relocation of the power steering pump. Here is what the location of the hose looks like with the supercharger.



Now this is also how the final installation looks regarding what would interfere with the ETD for MT which means they have a better chance of this working than those of us with AT with a supercharger. The reason this is is that the auto tensior system that is used is very large and very much in the way of the engine mount bolts. if we were to find a way to make an ETD fit the auto tensioner would have to be removed first before it would be mounted and heck I am not sure the its not out of the question that the blower and the power steering pump would need to be temporarily removed to remove the engine mount bolts completely.

You can see more of this in the pictures bellow. In the first picture you can also see the large black bolt spacer used to keep the tensioner out from the pulleys and belt path could pose another problem as well to those of us with an AT.






The two most likely working Dampeners I could see for supercharger installations are the one from M&M Honda.




The other candidate which is the one on the car that got me thinking about this is the spoon one. Other than the pictures from that feature I have been able to find no other pictures of it installed. I was able to get pictures of the brackets from spoons site however. The bracket design is the reverse of what JTso and Ingalls was by moving the vertical piece to the inside of the bolts rather than the outside and making the run of the ETD rather short by point back at the shock tower.



I am not yet convinced enough that this will work especially for AT to go and order one right now. However if we can possibly come up with more pictures of that cars setup or more pictures of the ETD brackets by both Spoon and M&M Honda we should be able to make a rather educated guess.

 

i originally bought the ingalls one but b/c of all the fitment issues, i didn't bother installing it and sold it. from what i've read, seems like the 6spd owners benefit more from this mod than AT's, but i'm sure there is still some benefit overall.

total tangent, but is that TSX featured in HT the one from the sunworks kid that ripped someone off by selling busted koni's on the 'other' forum?

 

yeah it is unfortunately. I am wondering if he ETD mount is as fake as his direct port nitrous setup is.

 

That really wouldn't be surprising.

Since I plan on adding a S/C in the spring, if this hasn't been ironed out by then I will probably take up the mantle of trying to get a custom bracket done... But I am hoping this will be figured out by then.

 

The mounting of the Spoon ETD on the HT TSX doesn't seem right, as it doesn't allow the correct movement of the ETD under load.

 

care to elaborate. I mean I know its not perfectly straight but from my understanding as long as it is relatively straight it will still function and be beneficial.

 

yeah I definitely want to get a solution to this ironed out as well cause I definitely noticed a change in performance when I installed mine before the TSX. it just seeemed to put the power to the wheels better don't really know how else to describe it.

its either custom or maybe if someone made stiffer engine mounts we could get a set to help reduce the movement or the engine that way if all tries at this fail.

 

Here are two more pics of the setup by M&M. Unfortunately it appears that the power steering pulley relocation is still in the way.

 

here is what I was thinking of for a custom setup possibly

 

If the ETD mounting point on the engine mount side is horizontal, it allows a slightly wider range of movement even if the ETD is not straight. However, because of the wider angle, it's also not as effective.

If the same mounting point is vertical (like the HT TSX), then the angle must be relatively straight to avoid binding up the piston shaft under load. Base on the pic above, the mounting point is probably touching the bracket and can cause noise.

 

so then they don't function at all unless straight or are you saying cause he has the damper in reverse of what it should be.

 

The one in the pic above is relatively straight in relationship of the two brackets.

If the angle is too wide (like 45 degrees), the ETD is being pivoted instead of absorbing the energy.

Here is a pic of the Spoon mounting. The mounting point is not ideal for the CL9.

 

yeah but my though is with the power steering hose being raised with the supercharger installation why cant the spoon damper be connected to the other side of the bracket so that it is straighter.

although I still think in the end the bracket would need to be modified this way to make it fit be out of the way.

 

So I guess my next question is if you are saying that this is not possible then is the one you designed for the underside of the car an option or should I start considering custom solid motor mounts by hasport.

 

It might be possible to position the ETD on the opposite side as long as the mounting bracket clears the SC tensioner. Solid motor mount will vibrate the whole car. I thought Hasport also makes motor mounts in poly which is slightly more tolerable.

 

Guess I am back to square thats its gonna have to be a custom design unless I can come up with pics of the car in honda tuning.

 

Hi guys,

side track abit.

may i know what superchargers are you guys using. me intereseted.

thanks.

 

CT Engineering Supercharger kit, formerly known as Comptech USA.

 

Colts did you get your Honda Tuning yet? I bought it yesterday and there's one pic (forget the page# I'm at work) which shows the ETD in the Mugen's engine bay. It looks like the engine-side bracket is either:

a) (poorly) photoshopped in and complete BS;
b) custom-mounted to fit BETWEEN the pulley and the motor, because you can clearly see the bracket behind where the pulley is.

Any thoughts?

 

nah I haven't picked up my issue yet. so you can actually see he engine bracket in that picture then. thats good to know. I will definitely make it a priority to get out and get one today now. I try to scan in that picture to show it as well then too.

 

It's a general engine bay shot but you can see the bracket. It's not a complete bracket shot and it's not totally clear but you can def. get an idea of where it's going.

 

Update... Ingalls ETD fits with the supercharger on 6MT TSX's. I bought a new Ingalls ETD and we test-fitted it in DAYTA's supercharged 06 6MT. Fit with room to spare. He snapped some pics with his iPhone, hopefully he'll get a chance to post them up.

Sorry this doesn't help you out at all Colts, but it's good news for us 6MT cats who plan to add a blower.

 

Just a heads up Ingalls did not change the bracket or the ETD. All they did was change the color of the ETD.

 

fyi, colts needs one that will fit AT tranny w/ s/c

 

Very odd, because it seems this one clears my ABS cylinder a lot better than the groupbuy one I had last year. Either way, it's a solution for 6MT supercharged guys...

 

I am going to be needing the same. 06 5AT.