Dohcgarage Header Test
06-08-2006, 02:58 AM
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wow...3 dyno runs and people still dont' believe it... if someone wants to paypal me like $80 bucks i'll go to another dyno to get it test. and video record it, have it notorized saying it's a real reading, then take it to a lawyer to make sure the notary is real, then ask judge judy to make sure the lawyer is real. DUDE... WHAT YOU GUYS WANT ME TO DO?
06-08-2006, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jdmturtleracin
wow...3 dyno runs and people still dont' believe it... if someone wants to paypal me like $80 bucks i'll go to another dyno to get it test. and video record it, have it notorized saying it's a real reading, then take it to a lawyer to make sure the notary is real, then ask judge judy to make sure the lawyer is real. DUDE... WHAT YOU GUYS WANT ME TO DO?
I wouldn't focus on the max HP, the overlay of the stock and aftermarket header shows good gains all way through which is a great improvement
06-08-2006, 09:19 AM
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Mystery solved!
I ordered the header yesterday ($170 shipped from delubozparts ebay store) and was informed that was obtained from Top Speed Auto Acessories (interestingly they retail it for a price more in line with the DC header). Called TS and they confirmed that they manufactured it themselves, it is TIG-welded stainless steel, and it comes with a 1-year warranty. It is also NOT CARB-certified. Not sure if there's anything else I should have asked, but we'll see what the dyno says (I don't have Hondata yet, so I'll get pulls at bone stock, just header, and eventually header + reflash).
06-08-2006, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by xizor
I don't think anyone's questioning the results, but it was mentioned that the max HP is not really 170, its more like 163ish. If you look at your dyno w/ the header it has a big bump 6900RPM which is very abnormal. Do you have all 3 dynos runs, do they all have that bump?
but anyway the solid gains all around are a definite 
06-08-2006, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jdmturtleracin
wow...3 dyno runs and people still dont' believe it... if someone wants to paypal me like $80 bucks i'll go to another dyno to get it test. and video record it, have it notorized saying it's a real reading, then take it to a lawyer to make sure the notary is real, then ask judge judy to make sure the lawyer is real. DUDE... WHAT YOU GUYS WANT ME TO DO?
06-08-2006, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jpt
I ordered the header yesterday ($170 shipped from delubozparts ebay store) and was informed that was obtained from Top Speed Auto Acessories (interestingly they retail it for a price more in line with the DC header). Called TS and they confirmed that they manufactured it themselves, it is TIG-welded stainless steel, and it comes with a 1-year warranty. It is also NOT CARB-certified. Not sure if there's anything else I should have asked, but we'll see what the dyno says (I don't have Hondata yet, so I'll get pulls at bone stock, just header, and eventually header + reflash).
And at the price delbuzoparts is selling these, I'm definately interested.
06-08-2006, 10:08 AM
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i was thinking about it, i should huh?
06-08-2006, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rmpage
It's a nice validation that money spent on the header was worth it, and that the car feeling faster isn't just the placebo effect.
....Supposely Comptech's QC should be good enough to trust them
06-08-2006, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by jiggaman
i'm more curious to see what my engine puts out, not whether the comptech makes a difference or not.
if i put on the ebay header i might do a dyno also
i only have icebox rite now....
anyone know in general how loud is the header? will icebox mask it?
my friend has Borla exhaust...it masked out both of the intake and header sound haha
06-08-2006, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jdmturtleracin
wow...3 dyno runs and people still dont' believe it... if someone wants to paypal me like $80 bucks i'll go to another dyno to get it test. and video record it, have it notorized saying it's a real reading, then take it to a lawyer to make sure the notary is real, then ask judge judy to make sure the lawyer is real. DUDE... WHAT YOU GUYS WANT ME TO DO?
Regardless, great find with this header.
Originally Posted by jpt
I ordered the header yesterday ($170 shipped from delubozparts ebay store) and was informed that was obtained from Top Speed Auto Acessories (interestingly they retail it for a price more in line with the DC header). Called TS and they confirmed that they manufactured it themselves, it is TIG-welded stainless steel, and it comes with a 1-year warranty. It is also NOT CARB-certified. Not sure if there's anything else I should have asked, but we'll see what the dyno says (I don't have Hondata yet, so I'll get pulls at bone stock, just header, and eventually header + reflash).
Is CARB approval in process or out of the question?
06-08-2006, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
Great work. too bad its not CARB approved, I would be all over this. Now it makes me think twice.
Is CARB approval in process or out of the question?
Is CARB approval in process or out of the question?
How hard is it to get away with putting non-approved parts on your car in CA? A header is pretty hard to see... not like taking out your cat or anything.
06-08-2006, 11:00 AM
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OK, I've scheduled dyno testing at Curry's for next Monday. Does anyone want to see A/F ratios along with the dyno results? It's $50 more and I'm inclined to pass on it since a header shouldn't affect A/F, but if people think it will be useful to know I can ask for it.
06-08-2006, 11:02 AM
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They unfortunately have no current plans for CARB approval. It doesn't sound like they bother to do this for any of their parts. That's almost certainly a big part of the reason it costs less than the competing headers -- government approval of anything is rarely an easy or inexpensive process.
How hard is it to get away with putting non-approved parts on your car in CA? A header is pretty hard to see... not like taking out your cat or anything.
How hard is it to get away with putting non-approved parts on your car in CA? A header is pretty hard to see... not like taking out your cat or anything.
06-08-2006, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
There are ways around it....like you said, there is no difference to the the sniffer, but most smog places do a visual inspection of exhaust parts. If you can find a smog test station that knows a bit about how headers work, and are sympathetic, you might be able to swing it. I've known people to bribe the smog stations as well.
How often do you have to do smog testing? If it's only every couple years you could always swap the stock header back in for inspections.
06-08-2006, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ILoveMyHonda
If these headers display longeviy and don't crack over time...I'm in!
So good luck to whomever bought them, if all goes well, we'll all be happy campers
So good luck to whomever bought them, if all goes well, we'll all be happy campers
haha...jp
06-08-2006, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by evo_to_tsx
the power is proven, but the durability is not... only time will tell
06-08-2006, 11:33 AM
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Hmm. Well probably if I were a californian I'd bite the bullet and pay the extra $200 for the DC header rather than risking it, but I'm really bad at bribery
How often do you have to do smog testing? If it's only every couple years you could always swap the stock header back in for inspections.
How often do you have to do smog testing? If it's only every couple years you could always swap the stock header back in for inspections.
This is a good find for the rest of the country though, no doubt.
06-08-2006, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by yfin
I don't think the power gain is proven - need to see many more dyno runs and before and after comparisons. The CL9 ECU is always adjusting so seeing different results on the same car even when there are no modifications is typical.
but yah that final spike is probably an outlier i'd say same gain as DC header
it's a full race heade
06-08-2006, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
Great work. too bad its not CARB approved, I would be all over this. Now it makes me think twice.
Is CARB approval in process or out of the question?
Is CARB approval in process or out of the question?
Also, the DC header is not CARB approved yet. They are in the process of getting that done. (That's what they told me when I called them a couple of months ago asking about it anyway.)
06-08-2006, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by kyotousa
he showed us both before and after dyno...also 3 pulls....=_=|||
but yah that final spike is probably an outlier i'd say same gain as DC header
it's a full race heade
but yah that final spike is probably an outlier i'd say same gain as DC header
it's a full race heade
All I am saying is we need to see more before and after dynos of this modification as those common variances need to be ruled out before immediately proclaiming 14hp increases.
06-08-2006, 12:12 PM
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Well we don't have to smog for the first 6 years, so you might just wanna do it anyway and enjoy it during that time.
This might be worth it then.
06-08-2006, 12:14 PM
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i'm more curious to see what my engine puts out, not whether the comptech makes a difference or not.
Actually, that makes me wonder how he got the same thing with just a header, though Dynojets do generally register a bit higher.
06-08-2006, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
Is it for the first 6? Maybe I was going off of my old teg, which was every 2.
This might be worth it then.
This might be worth it then.
And I think it's worth it. I'm running a DC header and Random Tech Cat
...Also, I was wrong about the DC. They are now CARB approved. I just called and am going to email pics of my header so they can send me a CARB sticker.
06-08-2006, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AamirCWITR
JPT, is your car stock? Will the header be the first mod?
06-08-2006, 02:33 PM
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Excuse the stupid question but, how does the header affect emissions? I thought the header only optimized the ouflow of the exhaust from the engine reducing the back pressure.
06-08-2006, 02:38 PM
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If you're asking why headers need to be CARB-certified, it's probably because the law is phrased in such a way that anything with exhaust gas flowing through it needs to be certified. Also I guess that certification proves it's not a race header (catless) or something.
06-08-2006, 02:59 PM
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So, even if its not CARB certified, why would a SMOG station care what header you have? The car either passes the emissions test or it doesn't. Or am I making this too simple? The last time we smogged my wife's Civic it didn't look to me like the tech paid any attention to the exhaust system components.
Or am I making this too simple? The last time we smogged my wife's Civic it didn't look to me like the tech paid any attention to the exhaust system components.
06-08-2006, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
So, even if its not CARB certified, why would a SMOG station care what header you have? The car either passes the emissions test or it doesn't. Or am I making this too simple?
Or am I making this too simple?
The last time we smogged my wife's Civic it didn't look to me like the tech paid any attention to the exhaust system components.
I would estimate that about 75% of inspection stations everywhere spend about 5 minutes to do a job that should take a couple hours.I bet cars that have heavy cosmetic mods get a lot more attention than stock-looking ones, though.