Tsex on 19s

oh.. so the total price would b.... ?

Dan Martin

You don't need to know how the K-Pro works so long as you have a good shop that can tune it for you. You need some sort of fuel management system to add more fuel when you add a supercharger. Forcing more air into the engine isn't going to make more power without more fuel. So if you're going to get a supercharger you should:
1) save lots of money
2) get a K-Pro installed
3) get the supercharger installed
4) have the K-Pro tuned to work with the supercharger
5) have the K-Pro retuned whenever you add or change something like new headers, etc.

xizor

Before you buy anything, buy a book to learn how forced induction works. You'll save yourself a ton of money if you know what you're getting into first.

Dan Martin

It's not like just having an intake installed... There is a lot to look out for.

Tsex on 19s

i see... yea im not lookin to get into anything like that now, but i plan to in the future. Until then, ima soak up as much knowledge i can. thanks guys..

Dan Martin

np

That's what we're here for...

leftride

iTrader: (1)

dan I thought you were here to photoshop weels onto cars
oh and advocate the ique

Dan Martin

Ok I overstepped my bounds... time to get back to the photoshop forum....

Tsex on 19s

:d

cmf

That's all I need is my car to use more fuel. I don't get shit for MPG now....

Stokeless_TSX

oh man thats rough lol

vasponger

haha stop flooring it everywhere then...

looks like both systems would be out by the time i get my car hopefully next fall. so yall will be the test dummies! anyone guess on the price for turbo or s/c?

Tsex on 19s

any other companies makin s/c or just comptech?

JRock

Now if only Acura could build a solid automatic transmission so Comptech could release the S/C for the auto TSX too...

Stokeless_TSX

ummmm the supercharger doesnt car if its a 6sp mt or an auto....piping and belts are all the same. now your tranny might not like the S/C...so just beef it up

JRock

My friend, I've owned automatic Acuras before. I worked at an Acura dealership (sales side, and am still good friends with one of the master techs). Honda/Acura can't build auto transes worth crap. Do a little research and see the recalls and problems had by owners even with completely STOCK cars.

Lexus builds auto transes that not only are strong stock but can be given a valve body upgrade and handle 400whp. THAT is an automatic transmission that can handle mods. This is why automatic Acura CLs/TLs/TSXs won't ever see reliable use of a supercharger or turbocharger system unless they replace a lot of the transmission parts, which is a bit ridiculous to undertake. IOW, those without a 6spd CL/TL/TSX are pretty much better off sticking to stock configuration and enjoying a nice luxury daily driver than trying to make it into a performance car. Not to mention the whole FWD thing. =\

Tsex on 19s

wow, i aint kno that. im still doing the bolt ons for sure.. haha i need a lil more go, maybe not 300whp, but 220 whp would be nice.

dagigu

hmmm...nice comments!
i thought that sales never tell the truth, today i found one who does

TSX=XTC

So does anyone know if this is a roots style or centrifugal?

My experience is

2.8 liter VR6 VW
with a
VORTEC V1 with straight cut gears
modified fuel system and modified ECU

Stock Kit..hitting approx 10 psi at 6500rpm(stock fuel pump)
approx 212whp with a/f of 14.8
226 ft/lbs trq

same kit with walbro 225gph pump
238rhp 233ft/lbs trq
a/f 13.2
same kit with exhaust, and new chip
244rhp 238 ft/lbs trq
a/f 12.8

total cost
2300 cdn for s/c and brackets
280 cdn for fuel pump
400 cdn for chips/reflashes
1000 cdn for install, misc and dynos(20 runs)

My take on centrifugal s/c.......nice for peak power, but as boost builds so does rpm.
so for the tsx which needs trq...it may not be the way to go

Stokeless_TSX

agreed....
thats why i said to beef them up...i believe there are also other companies that make complete transmition swaps...i know one is in england...but God save me i cant remember the name of the company....when i do ill post it

Tsex on 19s

when u say beef them up... what do u mean by that? like what would u add to the trans

xizor

I wouldn't consider the SC if its centrifugal, it'd have the downsides of both a turbo and a supercharger. But most CompTech ones I've seen are roots/Eaton like JRSC uses... at least the super hot one I saw ona NSX was.

K20 w/ an Eaton/Roots, some hotness, the SC is such a clean setup. My roomie's H22 is the ugliest mess of pullies I've ever seen.

Tsex on 19s

anyone wanna explain why my tranny cant hold a s/c also if thas the case, how do i beef it up.

Stokeless_TSX

the gears simply enough. The gears, all the internals. They may not be made of a metal strong enough to handle that kind of power. You may need something stronger. There are kits out there for tranny's and companies out there that can rebuild your tranny to higher standards...look around on the net and you will see.

JRock

And then you waste thousands of dollars making the trans stronger so the weak point is where the rubber meets the road so you upgrade your rolling gear, spending even more money, and what do you end up with? A FWD car with more power than it can effectively put to the ground. What the heck's the point of insane modding on a FWD car? It's silly, imho.

Get a sportscar if you want a fast car. Get a TSX for a solid daily driver with reasonable fuel efficiency and luxury features.

Tsex on 19s

good point jrock... so basically i cant get the ECU and a S/C is way too expensive to maintain on an automatic. if thas the case.. Custom Stereo and a bunch of tv's... here i come.. haha still gunna pray for some more hp, gunna do all i can without spendin crazy loads of money.

Dan Martin

Tsex, if I were you, I wouldn't do anything too permanent. Looks like we might have a 250+ hp AWD TSX with IMA and an automatic in 2006/2007. Sounds like it would be right up your alley...

Tsex on 19s

we all have dreams.. but u think that might come tru? if it would i woud be in love!!!!

Stokeless_TSX

250 from the factor would be awesome...but the awd i doubt acura would implement that ...not unless the TL got it first...

mg7726

why are you so pessimistic???

250+ hp awd w/ima tsx...mmmmm...mmmm.

Dan Martin

The USDM Accord is available with IMA next year and it's pushing around 250hp. The TL shares the same platform but with slightly different engine. However, the conversion to IMA isn't much of a stretch. The RD-X uses the same engine as the TSX and it is going to be released with IMA in 2006 plus it is AWD.

See the connection? The writing is on the wall people...

madmanmax3000

wait, i'm lost, what is IMA?

Dan Martin

IMA = Integrated Motor Assist
Honda's page: http://world.honda.com/CIVICHYBRID/T...t/index_1.html

Tsex on 19s

good stuff dan... hmm im very impatient, but thank god this stuff is expensive, indirectly forces me to wait. ima hold off as long as i can, but what u think of the model change... see any posssibilities... cause i wouldnt mind getting a body kit and then jus transferin parts over.

Stokeless_TSX

well the TSX and USDM accord dont share the same platform. It is similar but different. It will take alot more engineering to implement it on a TSX. I dont know if i would want it. What would happen if you boosted on the regular engine and then all the sudden you have 250 whp at the gas engine and the electric ones cant keep up? or would they be able to handle the sudden boost in acceleration? or would the splines on the gears get ripped off? Maybe im one that fears what he doesnt know but what would happen if you fried one of the electic engines would that wheel seeze up? im just curious. help me understand

Dan Martin

Sorry I wasn't implying that the USDM accord engine would be used. I was trying to show the link from IMA in the Accord to the TL. If/when the TSX gets IMA it would be from the RD-X.

lol, I don't think I've heard of anyone turbo charging an IMA yet. You could be the first Stoke!

BARF1

I'm guessing IMA will still work, more or less... if hp war drags TSX into 250bhp neighbourhood range by 2006, IMA-s will most likely become a likely option... Honda will probably squeeze out few more ponies out of the K24 then stick a IMA system for another 25-30hp and 60-70lbft....

I'm more curious about what turbocharging will do to an engine with cylinder cutoff (all IMA mated gas engines will likely have it)...

DeansblackCLS

Hi all,

I know that my username comes up as a "Newbie" over here, but I have been around for a while on the CL and many other boards.

I just got off the phone with Comptech and wanted to let you all know that they have developed a SuperCharger for the TSX and it is SUPPOSED to be available for shippment by the end of the month!!!

No pricing as of yet or gains, but it should definately be worth it based on the S/C they currently make for the CL/TL/NSX croud. Tentative pricing should be in the $3600-3800 range for the kit, but nothing is set in stone yet.

Thanks guys and I look forward to working with you all.

Thanks
Dean Baty

Dan Martin

Welcome aboard!

We've had a thread going on this for a while now over here: http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10364

But it's good to know that it's closer to reality.

Tsex on 19s

Im gettin that shit if its puttin out VERY good numbers.. i expect a lot from comptech