what brake rotor upgrades are availible?

i know some of you guys are swapping out rotors alone. does it yield a drastic improvement?

my friend had brembo cross drilled slotted rotors on his accord and he raved on and aon about it.

so i've been considering it. it's not out to my knowledge though. heard some people talk about stoptech.

any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[mmm. yummy brakes to compliment my volks.]

 

Ususally, replacing rotors doesn't improve stopping distance, but rather improves fade-resistance. Adding new pads would have more of an affect on braking distance. Changing calipers would do even more for braking distance.

 

I'd also like to add that drilled rotors are fine for the street but slotted rotors do a better job at keeping the surface clean while maintaining better structural integrity.

 

depends on where you live as well...
If you live in somewhere like the NW, the drilled rotors have a tendency to get cracks from the excessive rain/water. Slotted is just as good IMO unless you really need some serious heat dissipitation. Wonder if the A-Spec Brembo kit for the TL fits? =o)

 

Tires also make a big difference.

 

Definitely should be the first upgrade...

 

yup. i've heard that the cross drilled rotors sometime develop cracks around the holes.

so, who do you guys reccommend for rotor upgrades?

 

There are a lot of rotor replacement upgrades, as well as big brake kits. Depends on your budget, and your preference.

StopTech--drilled or slotted replacement rotors, as well as big brake upgrade kit
Rotora--drilled or slotted replacement rotors, as well as big brake upgrade kit
Brembo--big brake upgrade kit, and replacement blanks
Project Mu--slotted replacement rotors, and replacement blanks--hard to get ahold of though
power slot and the other company with similar name--slotted or drilled replacement rotors, as well as replacement blanks
EBC--check tire rack, but I think they are drilled replacements...could be wrong
Mugen--slotted replacement rotors
Spoon Sports--slotted replacement rotors (ugly as hell with their new 4 slot design though, but probably works great...to me appearance is a factor as well as performance)

I am sure there is more, but I can't think of any others right now.

Hope that helped!

Note: big brake upgrade kits listed above are for the front only, I have not seen any rear kits

 

Brembos with EBC Green Stuff pads......... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

any suggest if i wanna change my brake pad ?
price .. ? ~
and where to buy it ? .. ~
thx ~

 

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If you go to the MINI website www.northamericanmotoring.com you'll read some mention that the EBC Green Stuff pads have been causing warped brake rotors. What to believe?

I find the Stoptech article very enlightening.

 

mmm, Stoptech.

When I first got my TSX I was thrilled with its brake performance. Now after 5 months and 6,000 miles they're spongy and don't stop the car too good anymore. STOPTECH all the way for me as soon as I find a wheel I like that will fit over them.

 

The only cross drilled rotors that are more proned to cracks are the ones that are physically drilled after the casting process. If you find rotors that have the holes in them while they are being casted they will be fine. In other words, holes that are physically already in the mold that is used to make the rotors. I believe brembo has these available. Powerslot also makes the cross drilled ones, they are called "powerstop". They are very high quality rotors.

 

Are you kidding me? Powerslot rotors are not "high quality" rotors.

 

Rotora has the rear big brake kit upgrade as well you just need to ask.

 

I heard Rotora's aren't that good as well. If money wasn't an object, get AP.

 

Brembo has rear direct replacement rotors (cross-drilled / slotted) for TSX and the GT kit for the front of course. The cross-drilled rotors made by Brembo nowadays can handle track use without any problem, this has been approved by lots of race teams, and from real life...my friends have those too and they've never had a problem with those cross-drilled rotors while at track.

 

I cracked a set of those in no time.

 

Cross-drilled rotors do crack easier than slotted rotors. For anyone that is harder on the brakes, we recomment going with slotted rotors. If it's just a street driven car and you are into the looks then cross drilled will work.

The only time where cross drilled would work well is if the holes are cast into the rotor. And that's only on porsches. Even those have been reported to crack. All other rotors are slotted or cross drilled after the iron has been cast.

All in all, cracks aren't really an issue unless they are large enough to run a fingernail through them.

StopTech does have a 4 wheel kit available for the TSX. A few kits have already been sold. If you happen to see the king motorsports Mugen TSX, the 4 wheel kit is on that car. It's a really nice clean car. I think it's on it's way to the detroit auto show right now.

 

Are you a sales rep for stoptech? None the less, good info. I think the Skunk2 TSX is put Brembos in. Along with those brakes, rims and tires the stop time and road grip have increased dramatically closing in on the M3.

 

Yes, and here are pics of the TSX i'm refering to
http://www.stoptech.com/productphotos/tsx/tsx.htm

Brembo calipers have fixed piston sizing which can throw off the brake bias in cars lengthening stopping distances. StopTech calipers have different piston sizing depending on what the platform would require. This keeps the proper brake balance.

Here is alittle bit more information on the topic
http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/...erformance.htm

 

DOPE

 

Yup. http://www.kingmotorsports.com/categ...ategory=Wheels

 

Hmm... what min. size wheels are required to fit the Stoptech calipers/brake kit?

 

The Mugen wheels pictured above are 17". I checked the King site. They only offer 17x7. Odd huh?

 

but it looks fine .. ~looks big if u didnt mention that it's a 17"
and the caliper is white or silver ?.. ~ gonna be PITA to clean it ~

 

i like my bbk rotora brakes if u ask me

 

What dia. are the rotora? It seems to have a large unsweeped area on the rotor... Is that F&R or F only?

 

i have front only for now til they finish the rear setup

 

The calipers are a silver. I should mention that those wheels are on there with a 10mm spacer.

 

Brembo does not actually sell cross drilled or slotted rotors. Any of those that you can find are actually people drilling them afterwards. Brembo is actaully kinda pissed that some companies will drill the rotors and pass them off and Brembo drilled.

So basically all brembos that you buy aftermarket that are cross drilled, are done afterwards.

 

Yes, powerslots are very high quality rotors. I had them on my 4runner after the stock ones kept warping.

Better colling abilities, plus the pad surface was always clean and no more warping problems.

 

You guys gotta see how ppl in Asia gets their Drilled rotors. They just drill their rotors with drill bits.
NOW that's what I call drilled.

Stoptech - I wonder if the OEM wheel will fit the BBkit because I will have to swap my summer between winter OEM ones.

 

sweet. i need to change my brakes.

maybe i'll just get stoptechs

 

There is a thread in Black Market for Rotora 4-wheel BBK's at the moment. For $1300 for the front brakes, it is tempting. Only 3400 miles here and my brakes already feel substantially weaker, especially on summer high performance tires. My two biggest gripes about the TSX's performance are starting and stopping. More horsepower and better brakes would do the vehicle justice.

Edit: All the BBK's I've seen use the stock master cylinder, which means that front-rear braking bias is maintained.

 

Go to this link, http://www.stoptech.com/wheelfitchar...hart_index.htm.

They have a template that you can use to measure if their caliper would fit in any rims you have. Click on the link in Step 1 for instructions on how to use the template.

 

One of the things that has been bothering me since I drove mine home:

How do you solve the 'spongy' feeling of the stock brakes? Compared to the Mazda6 brakes which feel so immediate and linear, the TSX brakes just feel plain poor.

 

Do the stoptech rotors rust? I remember CMF saying his had some rusting. Is this fixed yet by stoptech?

 

Don't know if they ever fixed it or not. I had heard they were once in the process, but a rep from StopTech won't reply to my e-mails, so I gave up in order to have them replaced. Needless to say, I would NOT recommend the REPLACEMENT ROTORS unless someone else has a set (in a recent purchase)that can show no signs of rust.
The BBK is a different story. I have no experience first hand of the StopTech BBK.

 

The EBC's are slotted, dimpled (the cross-drilling does not go through) and cad plated. My only knowledge comes from a friend running them with the redstuff ceramics on a mini cooper and they make an odd noise like a hockey card in the spokes of a BMX ' which I happen to not mind. The cad plated rotors have not yet rusted so they look great, the redstuffs stop well and do not fade in fast street use, *but* they are still a solid non-floating rotor which will warp if made hot enough and they still are limited by the flex of the stock sliding pin caliper, which in previous Honda products has caused me problems with irregular pad wear. The EBC rotors are a nice street upgrade but autocross use is as far as I'd push it.

My big question is has anyone adapted the TL dynamic Brembo's to the TSX?? I'm assuming here that as the spindles look similar that the knuckle or even entire control arm assembly could swap over, but I'm wondering if anyone has done this and found out if the brake balance remains about the same.... also wondering if anyone has sourced a 310mm 2-piece rotor that would work in this caliper.....

Steve