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Old 08-24-2005 | 07:44 AM
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I might get an automatic TSX, but I'm a little concerned with the acceleration. 0-60 in 9.1 isn't going to cut it. What mods could I do to improve the accerlatation and how much would they improve it?


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Old 08-24-2005 | 07:46 AM
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no mods are going to make it speed up. the tsx isn't a race car...it just ain't.
Old 08-24-2005 | 07:59 AM
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but.... you could make it faster.

Injen CAI
Header
highflow cat
Hondata

that would help it out
Old 08-24-2005 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TSX.Fury
but.... you could make it faster.

Injen CAI
Header
highflow cat
Hondata

that would help it out


and the Comptech rear sway bar so you don't have to slow down for the corners.
Old 08-24-2005 | 10:10 AM
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+2

Add to it the TB coolant bypass, the Hondata manifold gasket and a Tanabe exhaust.

You could also go for lightweight flywheels and get rid of the spare tire for easy weight reduction measures.
Old 08-24-2005 | 10:18 AM
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they have lightweight flywheels for auto?
Old 08-24-2005 | 10:33 AM
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Nope. Actually, they do have something that resembles a flywheel, but it weighs about 1 to 1 1/2lbs. It doesn't have a ring gear for a starter.

The torque converter acts like a flywheel on an AT
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I surprised no one mentioned this... how about making it a 6MT.
Old 08-24-2005 | 11:39 AM
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How about a lighter rim/tire combo

Originally Posted by moda_way
I surprised no one mentioned this... how about making it a 6MT.
Old 08-24-2005 | 11:41 AM
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9.1 seconds!!! no way, are the automatics really that slow?
Old 08-24-2005 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by moda_way
I surprised no one mentioned this... how about making it a 6MT.


I did this with my 95 Accord EX-R (AT to MT swap) The technical difficulty of this was greater than an H22 swap. I wouldn't do it again though I really liked it at the time.

I don't even want to start to imagine what it would imply for a TSX.
Old 08-24-2005 | 11:45 AM
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9.1 seconds!!! no way, are the automatics really that slow?

but they aren't fast either.
Old 08-24-2005 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sauceman


I did this with my 95 Accord EX-R (AT to MT swap) The technical difficulty of this was greater than an H22 swap. I wouldn't do it again though I really liked it at the time.

I don't even want to start to imagine what it would imply for a TSX.

It was a joke. HAHAH...

Was hoping I could get a few of you 5ATs to shout a little.
Old 08-24-2005 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mg7726
no mods are going to make it speed up. the tsx isn't a race car...it just ain't.


You'll obviously have your basic boltons and some other stuff that you can do to beef it up some, but it just ain't a speedy car.

Personally, I said fock the speed, I like to look good and cruise more so I put my money into making my baby look good.
Old 08-24-2005 | 01:46 PM
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mod it to MT
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:01 PM
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Look, I don't want to be considered a 6MT snob or anything, but there's no sense in spending a lot of $$ trying to make the 5AT fast. You could drop $2000 or more on Hondata, CAI, header, exhaust, and still wouldn't be as fast as a stock 6MT.

I'm not trying to imply by ANY stretch that I believe that the 6MT is fast.

Both 5AT and 6MT are a BLAST to drive, they're just not dragsters.
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LannyM
Look, I don't want to be considered a 6MT snob or anything,
Too late. And don't worry, you have alot of company.


but there's no sense in spending a lot of $$ trying to make the 5AT fast. You could drop $2000 or more on Hondata, CAI, header, exhaust, and still wouldn't be as fast as a stock 6MT.
Prove it. Not saying your wrong and I'm right but noone that I'm aware of has done tests head to head to support either of our positions. And until that happens I'm not buying that theory.


I'm not trying to imply by ANY stretch that I believe that the 6MT is fast.

Both 5AT and 6MT are a BLAST to drive, they're just not dragsters.
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by thedavej2001
I might get an automatic TSX, but I'm a little concerned with the acceleration. 0-60 in 9.1 isn't going to cut it. What mods could I do to improve the accerlatation and how much would they improve it?


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So what would cut it? The mods out there wont make that time much better.

A good number of people around here have traded in for something with better straight line acceleration. Take test drives and decide for yourself.
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:19 PM
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+2

Add to it the TB coolant bypass, the Hondata manifold gasket and a Tanabe exhaust.

You could also go for lightweight flywheels and get rid of the spare tire for easy weight reduction measures.
hey do you know where i could get the tb coolant bypass and the gasket??
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:20 PM
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So what would cut it? The mods out there wont make that time much better.

A good number of people around here have traded in for something with better straight line acceleration. Take test drives and decide for yourself.

I'm not sure why people are so concerned about the 0-60 time. It pretty much means nothing in day to day driving. If your racing, then your in the wrong car period regardless of transmission.
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:28 PM
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I'm not sure why people are so concerned about the 0-60 time. It pretty much means nothing in day to day driving. If your racing, then your in the wrong car period regardless of transmission.
So they can beat Mr. Jones off the line at the red light.
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:31 PM
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So they can beat Mr. Jones off the line at the red light.
... and impress Mrs. Jones. + 1
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LannyM
Look, I don't want to be considered a 6MT snob or anything, but there's no sense in spending a lot of $$ trying to make the 5AT fast. You could drop $2000 or more on Hondata, CAI, header, exhaust, and still wouldn't be as fast as a stock 6MT.

I'm not trying to imply by ANY stretch that I believe that the 6MT is fast.

Both 5AT and 6MT are a BLAST to drive, they're just not dragsters.
I disagree with the mods that its possible that I could take a stock 6MT TSX, as I would have a more linear power delivery. But it doesn't matter to me because 6MT or 5AT the TSX was never meant for straight-line speed.

The TSX won't be considered fast unless you provide it with forced induction... But there are ways to improve acceleration with the Hondata reflash , CAI, headers, exhaust, Hondata intake manifold gasket.
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:32 PM
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well i have every mod i can get for my at and i still wouldnt consider it fast. Hell, i really want to drive a stock at, just to make sure all this money i threw out the window actually did something.
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well i have every mod i can get for my at and i still wouldnt consider it fast. Hell, i really want to drive a stock at, just to make sure all this money i threw out the window actually did something.

Your problem, weight. Your mods don't add all that much tourque which is obviously essential in getting the 3300lbs pig off the line. But I'd bet your car feels alot more responsive once at speed compared to stock due to all the added HP??

I have no problems with my AT once at speed. Just this morning I was commenting to myself on how quickly I was going between 100-140km, its smooth and effortless. Not for a second did I feel I lacked power.
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Your problem, weight.
Mine too But, I'm working on it.
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Originally Posted by drkangel348
I disagree with the mods that its possible that I could take a stock 6MT TSX, as I would have a more linear power delivery. .

What are you trying to say here exactly?
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
Mine too But, I'm working on it.

Talk to whiskers. He seems to be a weight loss expert.
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:52 PM
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Your problem, weight. Your mods don't add all that much tourque which is obviously essential in getting the 3300lbs pig off the line. But I'd bet your car feels alot more responsive once at speed compared to stock due to all the added HP??

I have no problems with my AT once at speed. Just this morning I was commenting to myself on how quickly I was going between 100-140km, its smooth and effortless. Not for a second did I feel I lacked power.
Well, heres my problem. I live in south florida. For the past 3 months, its been 85-95 degrees every day, and at night around 80. As alot of us know, our car sucks in hot humid weather. Along with that i have a high-flow cat, which has caused me to lose a little low end torque but gaining better high end. In this type of weather, my car drags way too much, even if i try to get up to a higher rpm. Say if i wanna go past 5k with my hondata, if im not at WOT, the hesitation will kick, and it feels like im actually losing alot of power than before vtec kicked in.

Ive been really considering lately of taking out as many of the mods in my car as i can and sell them. Im 7 grand in debt because of everything on my car, and its starting to feel that its not worth all the trouble ive put myself through.
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What are you trying to say here exactly?
Comparing dyno sheets of a stock 6MT tsx and a hondata/ihe 5AT TSX.
The 5AT TSX with hondata/ihe should be able to pull on the stock 6MT TSX due to the 5AT being able to make more torque at 4000-6000rpm and more high end horsepower.


Dynos:

Stock 6MT compared to Hondata 6MT:



Stock 5AT compared to Hondata 5AT with bolt ons:
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:53 PM
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Ive been really considering lately of taking out as many of the mods in my car as i can and sell them. Im 7 grand in debt because of everything on my car, and its starting to feel that its not worth all the trouble ive put myself through.


That's not too cool. Money isn't a renewable resource. Spend it wisely.
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I really dont think hondata works like it supposed to on ats. Something doesnt feel right, especially after riding in a 6mt with hondata and same mods.
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Originally Posted by drkangel348
Comparing dyno sheets of a stock 6MT tsx and a hondata/ihe 5AT TSX.
The 5AT TSX with hondata/ihe should be able to pull on the stock 6MT TSX due to the 5AT being able to make more torque at 4000-6000rpm and more high end horsepower.
I'm down for a series of drag races with anyone who has an AT with all those mods. We'll see.
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Originally Posted by dom
What are you trying to say here exactly?
Comparing dyno sheets of a stock 6MT tsx and a hondata/ihe 5AT TSX.
The 5AT TSX with hondata/ihe should be able to pull on the stock 6MT TSX due to the 5AT being able to make more torque at 4000-6000rpm and more high end horsepower.


Dynos:

Stock 6MT compared to Hondata 6MT:



Stock 5AT compared to Hondata 5AT with bolt ons:


Yellow - Injen intake, Auto TSX, reflash
Pink - Auto TSX, reflash
Green - Auto TSX
Old 08-24-2005 | 02:56 PM
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If i could start over again, id get a cgp 6mt w/ a-spec package, along with intake, header, hondata, and comptech rsb.
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Originally Posted by drkangel348
The 5AT TSX with hondata/ihe should be able to pull on the stock 6MT TSX due to the 5AT being able to make more torque at 4000-6000rpm and more high end horsepower.

EDIT: I agree


I do forget how poor the tourque curve on the 5AT is. Its down right depressing.
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I'm way more concerned with the 0-40 time personally...how fast would you say that is? does anybody have real numbers?
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EDIT: I agree


I do forget how poor the tourque curve on the 5AT is. Its down right depressing.

I posted the wrong dyno, if you look at the other dyno I posted the Injen CAI actually makes a difference in torque with the 5AT.
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Originally Posted by sauceman
I'm down for a series of drag races with anyone who has an AT with all those mods. We'll see.

This is what we need, real world testing.
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Originally Posted by Triz08

Ive been really considering lately of taking out as many of the mods in my car as i can and sell them. Im 7 grand in debt because of everything on my car, and its starting to feel that its not worth all the trouble ive put myself through.

Triz, part out your car and sell it IMO. You can spend ~20K on a 06 Si. Puttting yourself in debt for car mods is a very bad idea IMO.


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