36whp, 29ft-lb for $2400, sound about right?
10-05-2005, 04:56 PM
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36whp, 29ft-lb for $2400, sound about right?
So looking at Dzuy's Dynos it looks as though it is currently possible to extract an reliable 36whp and 29ft-lb from the K24 motor without having to crack open the motor.
The total cost for this seems to equate to around $2400 which is about $66 per horse power. Do these numbers sound about right to everone, I am asuming that there is a 18% loss in the 6-tranny and I rounded his hp number up to 200 based on the dyno used.
COLOR=Purple]Common engine Mods[/COLOR]
CAI: $200
Header: $500
Exhaust: $700
Reflash: $600
Gasket: $60
Cat: $290
Total: $2350
The total cost for this seems to equate to around $2400 which is about $66 per horse power. Do these numbers sound about right to everone, I am asuming that there is a 18% loss in the 6-tranny and I rounded his hp number up to 200 based on the dyno used.
COLOR=Purple]Common engine Mods[/COLOR]
CAI: $200
Header: $500
Exhaust: $700
Reflash: $600
Gasket: $60
Cat: $290
Total: $2350
10-05-2005, 04:58 PM
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thats it are you sure, i thought the total was a lot more than that i thought it was closer to 50whp
10-05-2005, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by CCColtsicehockey
thats it are you sure, i thought the total was a lot more than that i thought it was closer to 50whp
and... you can probably take out the exhaust and reduce the cost and it won't decrease the hp much.
10-05-2005, 05:24 PM
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well you figure the tsx has 200 crank hp stock right? So if we loose say 17-18% through the tranny, you realy only have 166-164whp. The dyno posted after the CAT install puts him at about 197-200whp. Thus I think my numbers are close, bu this could change with a different dyno. Remember this is only peak hp, with all the mods in place the entire power curve is increased thus the car will feel much faster.
Duce/JTso what do you guys think?
Duce/JTso what do you guys think?
10-05-2005, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TSX.Fury
and... you can probably take out the exhaust and reduce the cost and it won't decrease the hp much.
I agree, the exhaust seems a waste interms of power to price gains.
10-05-2005, 05:31 PM
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Damn....I've spent that much?! 
...And on the exhuast. That's one the reasons, I don't have plans to get one right now. I'm just wondering how much not having an exhuast will effect the gains on the Random Tech. Cat
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on the exhuast. That's one the reasons, I don't have plans to get one right now. I'm just wondering how much not having an exhuast will effect the gains on the Random Tech. Cat
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10-05-2005, 05:51 PM
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I have been pondering that as well. Most of the dyno shops in Phoenix want $100 for three pulls so once I get my reflash next month I will do a dyno that includes the following, and than post to AZ:
Injen CAI
Hondata
Hondata gasket
DC Sports Header
RT CAT
Injen CAI
Hondata
Hondata gasket
DC Sports Header
RT CAT
10-05-2005, 05:54 PM
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It's not only about peak HP/TQ gains. I bet the driveability of this car and fun factor went up a lot after those mods were put in. I mean at least with a $700 your car sounds a lot nicer than stock.
your calculations seem about right. 50Whp on this car with those mods is pushing it.
your calculations seem about right. 50Whp on this car with those mods is pushing it.
10-05-2005, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Zasker1
I have been pondering that as well. Most of the dyno shops in Phoenix want $100 for three pulls so once I get my reflash next month I will do a dyno that includes the following, and than post to AZ:
Injen CAI
Hondata
Hondata gasket
DC Sports Header
RT CAT
Injen CAI
Hondata
Hondata gasket
DC Sports Header
RT CAT
10-05-2005, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Zasker1
No worries, just wish I could do it sooner but I had to buy blinds for my new house..... stupid blinds.
on the blinds. I've put up at least 20 of them in the last couple of months 
No rush on the dyno. Definitely let me know what your butt dyno says after you get the cat. The big thing I wondering about is whether or not there is loss in the low end. From my research online, you definitely get power in the 4K+ range.
10-05-2005, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dzuy
that number might be higher.
remember that my dynos are done on a mustang dyno, which reads lower than a dynojet dyno.
remember that my dynos are done on a mustang dyno, which reads lower than a dynojet dyno.
10-05-2005, 09:10 PM
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It's not only about peak HP/TQ gains. I bet the driveability of this car and fun factor went up a lot after those mods were put in. I mean at least with a $700 your car sounds a lot nicer than stock.
your calculations seem about right. 50Whp on this car with those mods is pushing it.
your calculations seem about right. 50Whp on this car with those mods is pushing it.
Peak hp or tq alone doesn't represent the actual performance or real life driveability of the car. The $600 Hondata reflash didn't increase much if any peak hp or tq, but it sure improved performance of the usable power band. Catback alone won't do much either but it compliments the rest of the exhaust system up stream.
10-05-2005, 10:00 PM
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I absolutly agree, with this, these parts enhanse all aspects of the cars performance. I am just curious what the peak gains combine are. Hondata is a huge gain, but more in the mid range than top. I am guessing that Ducbigglo will dyno on a dynojet at say 205 whp. But we will see. I am realing hoping this helps some with the low end as there was definaly a noticable drop in TQ when I put on the injen, making the car a little more difficult to move off the line.
10-06-2005, 02:51 PM
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Quarter mile time.
Originally Posted by Black_6spd
If a 50 hp gain is accurate, you would think one of us would have entered the sub-15's barrier. 
10-06-2005, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Zasker1
I am not sure if that would be possible with out FI as even the TL with Horsepower: 270 bhp @ 6200 rpm, and Torque: 238 lb-ft @ 5000 rpm can only manage a 14.8 stock.
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10-07-2005, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JTso
Peak hp or tq alone doesn't represent the actual performance or real life driveability of the car. The $600 Hondata reflash didn't increase much if any peak hp or tq, but it sure improved performance of the usable power band...I admit to not having hopped up an engine for a couple of decades (I'm an old guy), but I think it is easy to get carried away with numbers. My
is this:HP matters to racers. To the rest of us, increases of 10% or less are purely spiritual.
Torque matters to everyone, but 1 ftlb below the midpoint in the rev band is worth 10 ftlbs above.
Errowen
10-07-2005, 10:09 AM
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There have been a lot of posts about the Hondata reflash, and I'm having a little trouble understanding its perfomance impact. Looking at the dyno curves, I would have said the difference under 6000 rpm was not detectable, and I think hondata said the same thing.
I admit to not having hopped up an engine for a couple of decades (I'm an old guy), but I think it is easy to get carried away with numbers. My is this:
HP matters to racers. To the rest of us, increases of 10% or less are purely spiritual.
Torque matters to everyone, but 1 ftlb below the midpoint in the rev band is worth 10 ftlbs above.
Errowen
I admit to not having hopped up an engine for a couple of decades (I'm an old guy), but I think it is easy to get carried away with numbers. My
is this:HP matters to racers. To the rest of us, increases of 10% or less are purely spiritual.
Torque matters to everyone, but 1 ftlb below the midpoint in the rev band is worth 10 ftlbs above.
Errowen
Before and after Hondata reflash dyno results
10-07-2005, 10:38 AM
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^^ Yeah, but look at the loss of HP and torque between 4400 and 4600 RPM. 
I think it's just a matter of component matching to get the best out of the reflash, since we can't really tune the engine without a standalone. 
10-07-2005, 11:21 AM
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I get an average of 24 to 27 city/hwy combined, which is not too bad with all the mods. It's probably better if only hwy driving.
same as me, and all I have is the Icebox intake.
10-07-2005, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JTso
The hp & tq gains from 4800 to 7000 is HUGE! Gains can also be felt under 4000 rpm. Like I said before, don't expect peak gains but the rest is great!
10-07-2005, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JTso
I think it's just a matter of component matching to get the best out of the reflash, since we can't really tune the engine without a standalone.
I've been playing around with changing components. I recently switched from an Injen to an Icebox intake.
10-07-2005, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tsx536
I bet Dzuy would be able to do it in very cold weather. Dzuy...drive your car to Alaska ASAP
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