gotmilk9579

Wondering if anyone has attempted a diesel engine conversion. I read an article earlier today that said the UK Accord (US TSX) has a 2.2 i-CTDi that get 60 mpg with 171 hp and around 250 lb ft of torque.

Some variations have been tested up to 93 mpg.

Perhaps a pipe dream for the time being as my TSX is still young, but I'd love to learn more about this and what I would need to expect in terms of cost (parts + labor).

Here's the article: http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/225926/

Thanks,

Jeff

1qwkCL9

you will never convert a k24a2 to run on diesel. Swapping in a diesel from overseas is always a possibility. Just like anything else, depends on time and money.

Aman

mmm, torque

IIRC, the UK uses a different testing method for MPG, so it won't actually get EPA 60 mpg. Maybe somewhere in the 40s.

It would be cool, but it's not worth it from a $$$ perspective. Consider the cost of shipping a whole engine overseas, then the cost of swapping it, legalizing it. You might need some tweaks to the fuel delivery system, and exhaust system.

It's cool, but not that smart IMO.

SPQRSPQR

Also, UK Imperial Gallon is bigger than the US Liquid Gallon. 1 US Liquid Gallon = 0.8348 Imperial Gallons. So a US m.p.g. number is smaller than a UK m.p.g. number. ie, 20 m.p.g. US = 23.96 m.p.g in the UK.

uns.deadcell

If you live in a place that does not smog test I'd go for it XD.. Personally.. I dont see why we (US) is so behind on having diesel cars and mini trucks... You'd think we would be on it like flies on bleep, with all the highway miles everyone puts on... Or you could do a one off v6 swap XD The cavaliers (Crapaliers) have been swapping in the 3400-3800 Buick v6 (I think).. They have been getting +34 MPG Lookup Raven Cavalier on youboob XD

jamesjstar

man I wish the US had more diesel offerings, most desirable cars here have crappy MPG, while europe usually has the diesel variants of them

mrgold35

I doesn't see cost effective to swap a gas for diesel engine on the TSX? You will spend $6,000-$12,000 for the diesel engine + transmission + fuel tank/lines + mounts + exhaust + electrical to save $4-$7 at each fill up. I think the higher price for diesel pretty much even out the mpg advantage over 91 octane. I still think it will take you +15 years to break even to swap out the engine.

I think it should be about saving $$, not saving gas.

If you drove 10,000 miles per year:
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91 Octane @ $3.90 per gallon
10,000 miles driven / 26 mpgs average = 384.61 gallons used
384.61 gallons X $3.90 = $1,500 per 10,000 miles driven
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Diesel @ $4.20 per gallon
10,000 miles driven / 38 mpgs average = 263.15 gallons used
263.15 gallons X $4.20 = $1,106 per 10,000 miles driven
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$1,500 91 octane - $1,106 diesel = $394 saved per year ($32 per month, $7.57 per week)
$10,000 for engine swap / $394 gas savings per year = +25 years to break even
$5,000 for engine swap / $394 gas savings per year = +12 years to break even

Aman

^ That's assuming diesel stays more expensive than 91, but it can be either above or below by a significant margin.

It would probably be more cost effective to ship a whole 2.2 Euro Accord overseas and use that and sell the TSX.

redpoint

Diesel generally yields 30% better MPGs over an equivalent gasoline engine. So, this means diesel prices would have be over 30% more than gasoline to be more expensive in terms of miles per dollar spent. If gasoline was $4/gallon, diesel would have to be $5.20/gallon before the price advantage disappeared.

I agree with everyone else that an engine swap is impractical. The diesel would weigh more, and the suspension would likely need to be beefed up; the handling would be adversely affected.

If you want a diesel car, get an unreliable VW / Audi TDI. I would love a diesel TSX, but it is never going to happen in the US (thanks CARB). Maybe we'll get a hybrid someday.

Moose Muscles

VW unreliable? thats news

Just in case you want the engine code, its N22A1.

Europe also has the Diesel CRV, I think its code is N22A2 (not sure though). Compared to our CRV, its gets about 50% better mileage with way better performance and it can actually tow more than a dead body.

I'm all for diesel, if they didn't add the extra process of removing sulfur it wouldn't cost so much.

Moose Muscles

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...#ht_1158wt_905

redpoint

You are being facetious right?

Do you have experience with this engine, and this seller? There are many words in this auction description and next to no substance.

Moose Muscles

No. I was being serious. I don't think VW is unreliable, cheap, or overrated. I think they make quality vehicles. I've never owned an audi, nor do I plan to unless I can find a way to convince my wife that an RS4 is a perfect family sedan or can import an RS2. Never have I heard of unreliable and vw in the same sentence except for the old corrado, which had serious electrical issues.

Of course not. Its the UK Ebay, just wanted people to see there are ways to get the motor. many words and no substance is a good description for most things sold on ebay and craigslist.

redpoint

It appears you have successfully avoided most any consumer information regarding VW.

Consumer Reports consistently rates VW among the lowest in reliability, along with most European brands.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...y-findings.htm

Tangoman

I agree. This information is backed up with personal experience on my part. I just spent time helping my boss with his air condition system which essentially disintegrated on his 2008 Passat. Dealer wanted 1700 dollars to fix it. This is after he had to replace all of his coil packs twice. Also, leaky radiator at 65k miles.

pearl08tsx

I am an auto mechanic for the last 11 years, 7 year at honda and 4 at a high end independent shop and let me tell you, i would buy a daewoo before i even though of buying a volkswagon/audi.