darth62

Most sources report 0-60 times for the 6MT TSX in the 8 second range, which is about what is typically observed for the USDM Accord 5MT. In fact, ConsumerGuide found exactly the same time (7.9 seconds) for both vehicles.

I know the TSX is slightly heavier but this seems like a surprising outcome given that 1) TSX has more power throughout the RPM range, 2) TSX has much more aggressive gearing, 3) TSX has more aggressive tires and should get the power to the ground easier.

So, what is going on?

ecsw

Bigger and heavier rim?

Oh, I know I know, we have 6 CD in-dash changer and JDM Accord has only single CD. j/k.

fdl

The USDM accord is NOT faster than the TSX. You cant compare times from different sources like that. And I also dont think most times for the tsx are 8 seconds. c&d got a 7.2, motorweek (or was it motortrend?) got a 7.6.

The best time i have seen for a usdm accord was 7.6 seconds to 60, done by c&d. c&d got a 7.2 for the tsx so this is a more fair comparison.

The tsx is definately faster, although not by a landslide. most of that extra horsepower is negated by the increased weight.

BDI

Just curious, what's the 0-60 times for the Golf GTI??

TinkySD

wheel and tire weight is the biggest culprit in my estimation. Putting on light weight wheels and tires with good grip on the car would knock as much as half a second of the 0-60 times and the quarter mile if you believe cartest figures.

TinkySD

If you want i can run the cartest figures and post snapshots. For those who care by compensating for the extra weight of the tsx whees/tires it hit's precisely 15.5 which is with 1 tenth of our fasted track time.

ecsw

C&D has review on JDM Accord? Where? I want to read it.

dom

Wait until there tested at the same time on the same day on the same curcuit with the same weather/temperature.

Its unlikely to ever happen so keep waiting.

fdl

NO, we are talking about the USDM accord, not the JDM.

darth62

ConsumerGuide tested both cars under very similar conditions and came up with the exact same number.

illmeltxwithyou

Ut oh 0-60 times here we go hahhahhahahahaha no comments please!!

dom

IMO the only time numbers can be comapred is when there tested at the exact same time. I get what your saying darth, your wondering why the times we've seen so far are similar if not the same.

But until they are tested together all we know is that the times are similar, although I think we can all agree that the TSX should be quicker. Ford GT 0-60 times are ranging from 3.3 to 3.6 seconds. It may not seem like alot but thats a big difference in 0-60. Conditions, driver and even the car all play a part in these variances.

darth62

I guess I'm wondering if the extra power in our engine is really meaningful. Sure, the TSX's engine has a lot more horsepower than the K24 in the Accord. But, the torque is similar and the TSX is heavier. Maybe the TSX really isn't faster at all.

larchmont

I think it's pretty simple, Darth.

(a) The TSX should be faster
(b) Everybody (OK, almost everybody) thinks the TSX is faster.
(c) The only thing arguing a little bit the other way..... well, not reallly "the other way," but just that maybe there's no difference -- is some 0-60 times.

(d) And one thing we know about published 0-60 times is how variable and inaccurate they are.

Case closed. There's nothing arguing against what should be true and which (almost) everybody agrees is true.

Thank you very much.

ecsw

Oops, sorry. :o :P

Saintor_RENAMED

darth62

Assuming the above numbers for the 4-cyl 5MT, this supports my theory. C & D has the TSX at 7.2 second 0-60, and the Accord at 7.5 seconds, a diff of .3 seconds (not much). A few other sources (like ConsumerGuide) have them in a dead heat. The TSX is not a whole lot faster than the Accord, if you believe 0-60 figures.

now, if we have some passing stats 30 - 70, I'm betting that you'd find a much different pattern. In that range, I'd expect the TSX to be a lot quicker.

What would be really interesting is to see side-by-side dynos for the two engines.

BTW, none of this dampens my enthusiams for the TSX. I'm just trying to better understand its capacities.

sauceman

The 7.5 secs 0-60mph is not in line with its 16.1 at 87mph. Must have been a hell of a launch!

jdibella

lol. Because your car is equivalent to a car that is 8k less. :P

sauceman

What are you talking about?

larchmont

Yeah, JDB is sometimes pretty hard to follow. (We've been there before!)

jcg878

and he has an accord V6 coupe

and he thinks the TSX is slow


Hmmm, sound familiar???

But, he can use the "Shift" key, so we may be ok

darth62

Its also not true that the USDM Accord is as fast as the TSX OVERALL. We're only talking about 0-60 here. IF the car is launched, I'm confident the TSX is a lot faster.

Saintor_RENAMED

Not a lot. It is very similar and it is hard to feel the difference. Not talking that the V6 will spank the TSX.

darth62

I don't think you are correct. There are a few places that have published numbes for the highway passing times for the TSX. The times are actually competitive with V6 vehicles (in fact, quite a bit faster thant he Mazda6 and a small bit faster than the Lexus Is300). I think the full data suggest the TSX is only slightly faster below 30 MPH, and a lot faster in the midrange. Given that the TSX has about 20% more horsepower, that is not surprising.

And, yeah, the V6 is faster than the TSX. So what? This thread is a comparison of K24 in the USDM Accord and TSX.

jdibella

The topic of this thread, "Why isn't the TSX faster than the USDM Accord?".

My response - "Because your car is equivalent to a car that is 8k less."

Summary - "The TSX is priced at 27k while a 4 Cyl Accord is priced at about 20 grand. Yes the TSX is better equipped but does it compensate the 7 grand difference?"

Any questions?

P.S. Fear my shift skillz.

P.P.S. Why do you guys hate Accord owners so much?

Just take a damn joke and laugh for once. You guys are way to anal.

darth62

I don't know why you feel this need to turn this thread into an "who got the better buy thread?" None of us here care how much an Accord cost. What exactly does the price of the Accord have to do with anything that anybody on this forum would be remotely interested in?

And, as for question "why do most of us hate Accord owners?" In reality, most of us have owned Accords or own them now. I've owned two of them my self, and several of my friends have them. We don't hate Accord owners here. I personally think the Accord is a world class vehicle and would not hesitate to buy another.

I don't think immature trolls are too popular here, but that is another issue.

The real point of this thread is, if we compare the performance o the Accord engine and TSX engine, can we learn something about the strengths and weaknesses of our own cars? I'm again struck by the difficulties launching the TSX. It doesn't seem to move off the line any quicker than the USDM Accord, and the real peformance gains seem to come at highway passing speeds.

But, being the childish troll that you are, you once again started with the "haha! I got a better buy nonsense.."


Like anybody here cares....

larchmont

We are not.

That's "too," by the way.

darth62

Well done, Larch!

jcg878

I really want to understand the psychology of people with other cars who come here to antagonize us. Don't they have anything better to do?? It really boggles my mind.

Iceman

IMO TSX's weak spot is its tires, not its engine. Put performance tires on the TSX and get better grip at launch.

larchmont

Probably different answers for different people.

Maybe they can tell us themselves what their reasons are. I mean, they better, because otherwise we'll make up the answers ourselves, and I'm sure they wouldn't want that.

BTW we're not talking about people like B-D.

PRESTIGE_TSX

WHAT WE NEED is a horsepower chip to pump out another 10+ hp? anyone know where to get one for a 5at tsx?

jcg878

I agree. I get a kick out of his threads, even with the superiority contained within

I'll admit that I occasionally lurk around the sites of our competitors (specifically the 9-3 and Mazda6) because I'm interested in them, but I don't post remarks telling those owners what morons they are and how much better my TSX is. What's the point of that??

PRESTIGE_TSX

I am new here everyone. I think ACURA TSX shouldn't be compared to us accord since they are both diff cars. one is a mainstream family sedan assembled in usa and the other is a sport sedan offering nsx technology in 4 dr version... regardless, does anyone want to be nice enough to point me in ways to increase my car's horse power without spending a lot? i am thinking to get a cold air intake and maybe a chip or catback exhaust? or better yet...tell me where to post this? i guess i will try the performance thread!~