Why isn't the TSX faster than the USDM Accord?
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Why isn't the TSX faster than the USDM Accord?
Most sources report 0-60 times for the 6MT TSX in the 8 second range, which is about what is typically observed for the USDM Accord 5MT. In fact, ConsumerGuide found exactly the same time (7.9 seconds) for both vehicles.
I know the TSX is slightly heavier but this seems like a surprising outcome given that 1) TSX has more power throughout the RPM range, 2) TSX has much more aggressive gearing, 3) TSX has more aggressive tires and should get the power to the ground easier.
So, what is going on?
I know the TSX is slightly heavier but this seems like a surprising outcome given that 1) TSX has more power throughout the RPM range, 2) TSX has much more aggressive gearing, 3) TSX has more aggressive tires and should get the power to the ground easier.
So, what is going on?
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The USDM accord is NOT faster than the TSX. You cant compare times from different sources like that. And I also dont think most times for the tsx are 8 seconds. c&d got a 7.2, motorweek (or was it motortrend?) got a 7.6.
The best time i have seen for a usdm accord was 7.6 seconds to 60, done by c&d. c&d got a 7.2 for the tsx so this is a more fair comparison.
The tsx is definately faster, although not by a landslide. most of that extra horsepower is negated by the increased weight.
The best time i have seen for a usdm accord was 7.6 seconds to 60, done by c&d. c&d got a 7.2 for the tsx so this is a more fair comparison.
The tsx is definately faster, although not by a landslide. most of that extra horsepower is negated by the increased weight.
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wheel and tire weight is the biggest culprit in my estimation. Putting on light weight wheels and tires with good grip on the car would knock as much as half a second of the 0-60 times and the quarter mile if you believe cartest figures.
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If you want i can run the cartest figures and post snapshots. For those who care by compensating for the extra weight of the tsx whees/tires it hit's precisely 15.5 which is with 1 tenth of our fasted track time.
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Originally posted by fdl
The USDM accord is NOT faster than the TSX. You cant compare times from different sources like that. And I also dont think most times for the tsx are 8 seconds. c&d got a 7.2, motorweek (or was it motortrend?) got a 7.6.
The best time i have seen for a usdm accord was 7.6 seconds to 60, done by c&d. c&d got a 7.2 for the tsx so this is a more fair comparison.
The tsx is definately faster, although not by a landslide. most of that extra horsepower is negated by the increased weight.
The USDM accord is NOT faster than the TSX. You cant compare times from different sources like that. And I also dont think most times for the tsx are 8 seconds. c&d got a 7.2, motorweek (or was it motortrend?) got a 7.6.
The best time i have seen for a usdm accord was 7.6 seconds to 60, done by c&d. c&d got a 7.2 for the tsx so this is a more fair comparison.
The tsx is definately faster, although not by a landslide. most of that extra horsepower is negated by the increased weight.
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ConsumerGuide tested both cars under very similar conditions and came up with the exact same number.
ConsumerGuide tested both cars under very similar conditions and came up with the exact same number.
Ut oh 0-60 times here we go hahhahhahahahaha no comments please!!
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Originally posted by darth62
ConsumerGuide tested both cars under very similar conditions and came up with the exact same number.
ConsumerGuide tested both cars under very similar conditions and came up with the exact same number.
But until they are tested together all we know is that the times are similar, although I think we can all agree that the TSX should be quicker. Ford GT 0-60 times are ranging from 3.3 to 3.6 seconds. It may not seem like alot but thats a big difference in 0-60. Conditions, driver and even the car all play a part in these variances.
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I guess I'm wondering if the extra power in our engine is really meaningful. Sure, the TSX's engine has a lot more horsepower than the K24 in the Accord. But, the torque is similar and the TSX is heavier. Maybe the TSX really isn't faster at all.
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Originally posted by darth62
I guess I'm wondering if the extra power in our engine is really meaningful. Sure, the TSX's engine has a lot more horsepower than the K24 in the Accord. But, the torque is similar and the TSX is heavier. Maybe the TSX really isn't faster at all.
I guess I'm wondering if the extra power in our engine is really meaningful. Sure, the TSX's engine has a lot more horsepower than the K24 in the Accord. But, the torque is similar and the TSX is heavier. Maybe the TSX really isn't faster at all.
(a) The TSX should be faster
(b) Everybody (OK, almost everybody) thinks the TSX is faster.
(c) The only thing arguing a little bit the other way..... well, not reallly "the other way," but just that maybe there's no difference -- is some 0-60 times.
(d) And one thing we know about published 0-60 times is how variable and inaccurate they are.
Case closed. There's nothing arguing against what should be true and which (almost) everybody agrees is true.
Thank you very much.
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Assuming the above numbers for the 4-cyl 5MT, this supports my theory. C & D has the TSX at 7.2 second 0-60, and the Accord at 7.5 seconds, a diff of .3 seconds (not much). A few other sources (like ConsumerGuide) have them in a dead heat. The TSX is not a whole lot faster than the Accord, if you believe 0-60 figures.
now, if we have some passing stats 30 - 70, I'm betting that you'd find a much different pattern. In that range, I'd expect the TSX to be a lot quicker.
What would be really interesting is to see side-by-side dynos for the two engines.
BTW, none of this dampens my enthusiams for the TSX. I'm just trying to better understand its capacities.
now, if we have some passing stats 30 - 70, I'm betting that you'd find a much different pattern. In that range, I'd expect the TSX to be a lot quicker.
What would be really interesting is to see side-by-side dynos for the two engines.
BTW, none of this dampens my enthusiams for the TSX. I'm just trying to better understand its capacities.
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Originally posted by larchmont
Yeah, JDB is sometimes pretty hard to follow. (We've been there before!)
Yeah, JDB is sometimes pretty hard to follow. (We've been there before!)
and he thinks the TSX is slow
Hmmm, sound familiar???
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But, he can use the "Shift" key, so we may be ok
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Its also not true that the USDM Accord is as fast as the TSX OVERALL. We're only talking about 0-60 here. IF the car is launched, I'm confident the TSX is a lot faster.
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I don't think you are correct. There are a few places that have published numbes for the highway passing times for the TSX. The times are actually competitive with V6 vehicles (in fact, quite a bit faster thant he Mazda6 and a small bit faster than the Lexus Is300). I think the full data suggest the TSX is only slightly faster below 30 MPH, and a lot faster in the midrange. Given that the TSX has about 20% more horsepower, that is not surprising.
And, yeah, the V6 is faster than the TSX. So what? This thread is a comparison of K24 in the USDM Accord and TSX.
And, yeah, the V6 is faster than the TSX. So what? This thread is a comparison of K24 in the USDM Accord and TSX.
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The topic of this thread, "Why isn't the TSX faster than the USDM Accord?".
My response - "Because your car is equivalent to a car that is 8k less."
Summary - "The TSX is priced at 27k while a 4 Cyl Accord is priced at about 20 grand. Yes the TSX is better equipped but does it compensate the 7 grand difference?"
Any questions?
P.S. Fear my shift skillz.
P.P.S. Why do you guys hate Accord owners so much?
Just take a damn joke and laugh for once. You guys are way to anal.
My response - "Because your car is equivalent to a car that is 8k less."
Summary - "The TSX is priced at 27k while a 4 Cyl Accord is priced at about 20 grand. Yes the TSX is better equipped but does it compensate the 7 grand difference?"
Any questions?
P.S. Fear my shift skillz.
P.P.S. Why do you guys hate Accord owners so much?
Just take a damn joke and laugh for once. You guys are way to anal.
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I don't know why you feel this need to turn this thread into an "who got the better buy thread?" None of us here care how much an Accord cost. What exactly does the price of the Accord have to do with anything that anybody on this forum would be remotely interested in?
And, as for question "why do most of us hate Accord owners?" In reality, most of us have owned Accords or own them now. I've owned two of them my self, and several of my friends have them. We don't hate Accord owners here. I personally think the Accord is a world class vehicle and would not hesitate to buy another.
I don't think immature trolls are too popular here, but that is another issue.
The real point of this thread is, if we compare the performance o the Accord engine and TSX engine, can we learn something about the strengths and weaknesses of our own cars? I'm again struck by the difficulties launching the TSX. It doesn't seem to move off the line any quicker than the USDM Accord, and the real peformance gains seem to come at highway passing speeds.
But, being the childish troll that you are, you once again started with the "haha! I got a better buy nonsense.."
Like anybody here cares....
And, as for question "why do most of us hate Accord owners?" In reality, most of us have owned Accords or own them now. I've owned two of them my self, and several of my friends have them. We don't hate Accord owners here. I personally think the Accord is a world class vehicle and would not hesitate to buy another.
I don't think immature trolls are too popular here, but that is another issue.
The real point of this thread is, if we compare the performance o the Accord engine and TSX engine, can we learn something about the strengths and weaknesses of our own cars? I'm again struck by the difficulties launching the TSX. It doesn't seem to move off the line any quicker than the USDM Accord, and the real peformance gains seem to come at highway passing speeds.
But, being the childish troll that you are, you once again started with the "haha! I got a better buy nonsense.."
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Like anybody here cares....
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Originally posted by darth62
But, being the childish troll that you are, you once again started with the "haha! I got a better buy nonsense.."
Like anybody here cares....
But, being the childish troll that you are, you once again started with the "haha! I got a better buy nonsense.."
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Like anybody here cares....
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Originally posted by jcg878
I really want to understand the psychology of people with other cars who come here to antagonize us. Don't they have anything better to do?? It really boggles my mind.
I really want to understand the psychology of people with other cars who come here to antagonize us. Don't they have anything better to do?? It really boggles my mind.
Maybe they can tell us themselves what their reasons are. I mean, they better, because otherwise we'll make up the answers ourselves, and I'm sure they wouldn't want that.
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BTW we're not talking about people like B-D.
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Originally posted by larchmont
BTW we're not talking about people like B-D.
BTW we're not talking about people like B-D.
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I'll admit that I occasionally lurk around the sites of our competitors (specifically the 9-3 and Mazda6) because I'm interested in them, but I don't post remarks telling those owners what morons they are and how much better my TSX is. What's the point of that??
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I am new here everyone. I think ACURA TSX shouldn't be compared to us accord since they are both diff cars. one is a mainstream family sedan assembled in usa and the other is a sport sedan offering nsx technology in 4 dr version... regardless, does anyone want to be nice enough to point me in ways to increase my car's horse power without spending a lot? i am thinking to get a cold air intake and maybe a chip or catback exhaust? or better yet...tell me where to post this? i guess i will try the performance thread!~
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