TSXTim

My salesman said TSX sales slowed a bit and then
picked up after TL came out. He said they come to look
at the $34k car and take the $27k job.

Tim

iTimmy

Doesn't surprise me, I could have got the TL with no problems(hell could have got an RL with out much effort) but I WANTED the TSX that's the difference......... The new RL may be another story though!

NJtsx

Yes...my buddy wors for acura and TSX sales are way up. They are their highest grossing vehicle

SweetA$$Ride

I'm glad I bought the car before they raised the sticker price. They supposedly raised the destination charge???

ABP-CL9-TSX

I am glad I have mines, but now it seems that there are more TSX to choose from than last year. I couldn't get a CG last May, but now they are quite plentiful.

peetah

I think RSX is suffering the most from TSX sales. Just look at those sales figures.

gilboman

hm..it may have somethign to do with people wanting the cheapest sedan from a "luxury" make and were only aware of the TL but then they realize there's an even less expensive sedan with the acura badge still and lots of the features but for a lot less. b/c if someone were seriously wanting a car with TL's specs, how can they change their mind so much to a TSX?

jiggaman

I think they should have made the TL AWD to seperate it a little from the TSX. I don't think there is enough added insentives to buy the TL over the TSX other than the V6.

biker

Well if the price of the TL was lower then it would eat into the TSX sales. It's good to have cars at different price/feature points. As long as the sales lost from the TL go to a TSX and not somewhere else I'm sure Acura is happy.

xizor

Acura sales are up, so I agree

MarkPinTx

Yeah I could have afforded a TL and test drove one just to see the diff from the V6.

TSX mo betta!

Truth be told, neither held a candle useful power-wise to my 250hp V8 Northstar. But that engine came in a boat and the TL felt like another boat.

TSX mo betta!

Mokos23

The TL is for old people. But, I wish Acura cars had more torque anyways. Well, if the TL was 29K, I would've bought it.

TL=238lbs torque and TSX=166lbs torque.

Do you guys think the VTEC engines since they have great gas mileage wouldn't be as fuel efficient if they had more torque?

340HP

Heh, what do you consider OLD? I'm 31 - bought the TSX for my wife and am getting a TL 6-speed NAVI for myself in about 2 weeks. Several items made me want the TL over the TSX. For one, my wife has one. Hehe. Then there is the DVDA sound system. 270 HP V6. I love the gauges. The looks. A few other things. Don't get me wrong, the TSX is slammin. But I wanted the TL..

To each his own..

Mokos23

Isn't the G35 sedan/coupe though more attractive looking and has more torque for faster accelerations than the TL?

340hp, what made you go from Infiniti to Acura?

xizor

Sedan and coupe have different engine ratings, coupe rates in at 260HP/260Torque. The coupe rates in at 280HP/270Torque.

Car and Driver had the TL perform better in every performance category than the G35 Sedan. The TL 270/238 beat the G35S in their test by .5s in 0-60, very impressive.

So Torque isn't everything, and doesn't mean better acceleration by itself.

And personally I like the TL more than the G35. But I think they're both good looking.

ortiz

I would of owned a TL, but I am too impatient. Bought my car early August TL didn't come out until Mid September. One month was too long a wait.

Vaccam

I have been seriously looking out for TSXs here in the DC area for about a month and hardly see any on the road. There is one that the owner works at my local Borders and one I see on the way to work, and that is pretty much it. However I see about 5 to 10 TLs everyday and not the same ones. Maybe it is just the location.

My local dealer has about 12 TSXs on the lot but at least 30 TLs.

gilboman

yup..other than driving enjoyment and balance where the G35 easily trounced the TL in multiple comparo in different mags

Mokos23

gilbo you're talking about the G35 sedan and coupe too?

340HP

Several things, actually:

- DVDA (best sound system on the market, hands down)
- Touch screen NAV (with 8" screen vs. 6.5")
- Voice control
- Styling
- Interior quality
- Much nicer gauges
- Bluetooth

I just love the TL. I really wish it were RWD like the G35, but you can't have everything.

Mokos23

I see your point, but I'd still take the G35 coupe over my own TSX anyday, but if only the coupe was $26-29K too.

biker

The problem I see here is that most car makers put just enough new things in each subsequent car model to suck in people to get on the trade-in treadmill.

How did this thread change into a G35 comparison?

smap

hmmmmz... I still dun get why people say Honda's have no torque??? I dont understand basically their engines torque ratings are like on par with other similar displaced engines so whats going on? So i dont get why people say Honda's have no torque.......so annoying.

340HP

Well, it's not that people say Honda engines have NO torque. They just have less torque, than other engines in similar-class autos. For example, the G35 has 260 HP and 260 LBs/ft of torque. Whereas the TL has 270 HP and 238 LBs/ft of torque. Yet, the TL outruns the G35 from 0-60.

Actually, there is no measurement for horsepower. It's derived from a formula after you have torque. All dyno machines work this way. It's calculated by: bhp = torque x rpm/5252 - the 5252 is a constant where HP and torque cross on a chart. If you didn't have RPM with the torque, you couldn't calculate (or measure) the horsepower.

In general you want MORE torque - yet it's not always true, since there are engines that spin upwards of 8000+ rpm. This alone is good enough to propell a car fast.

93Kewl

Well, if the TSX is "cannabalizing" TL sales, it certainly is not evident in NYC - where I see many more new TL's than TSX's. Not that I mind however, as I particularily think that the TL is nicer looking anyway.

HCF

Man, where does that leave the 5 series seeing as how it gets trounced by the TL in every comparo I see

340HP

Remember, their explanation for this "trouncing" is RWD. Nothing else.

gilboman

where do you even see a 5 series compared to a TL? a TL coudlnt even measure up to a lowly 325i i think you are confused or just delousional?

gilboman

NO..there is such thing as balance and driving enjoyment and road feel that RWD excel at and FWD have difficulty accomplsihing. just look at the weight distribution, a 3 series or G35 have near 50-50 weight distribution, whereas a TL has 60-40,

you have to understand why all car companies make real performance cars RWD or very least AWD, there is a reason for it.

gilboman

but which car can you drive more smoothly? a G35 is a much more performance oriented sportsedan than the TL ever can be, and looking past absolute 0-60 numbers, higher torque and flatter power curve means there is power everywhere and the power available is much more flexible.

motortrend summed up the new TL best, its the ultimate ACCORD

1SICKLEX

The TL is selling 6,000 cars a month. The TSX sells maybe 1500 a month. This thread title is stupid as hell. The TL is Acura's HIGH VOLUME model since 1999. The TSX is a low volume car in comparison. I think 20k TSXs to 70k TLs a year.

WTF is this thread about????

biker

sicklex, you must indulge some folks. Don´t get all bent out of shape.

iNteGraz92

@ "looking past 0-60"
it's so obvious you only post when you want to take cheap shots at acura, why even bother posting here. it sounds like you're against mag racing, but then you quote detroit trend?

1SICKLEX

My apologies. $#%^*& Caffine.

xizor

I thought the TSX was the "ultimate Accord", doh!

justinjsw

I don't know what this thread is all about. Both cars are at or above Acura's projected sales goal for MY04.

As of March 04...
Total TL sales YTD 18,620... Acura's projected goal 65,000 units, current projections based on 6,206x12=74,479 units.

Total TSX sales YTD 6,035...Acura's projected goal 20,000 units, current projections based on 2,011x12-24,139 units.