vitocorleone

http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/...-for-2007.html

TL-S coming in 2007. Will we see a TSX-S?

jiggaman

god i hope so

Black_6spd

Great. That's all the TL needed. More power to the front wheels!

Might as well just have the wheels pointing sideways. Good luck getting traction and not kicking in the VSA.

CL Platano

It will be fine it aint like the TL has gobbles of low end torque anyway. I like the whole new set up I might have to trade my baby in for this.

star_rob

"Type-S should begin around $39,000."

At this price, seems like it will have a tough time competing with the 07G and the 335i

Black_6spd

If you're comparing the current 3.2 to the Maxima or Altima's 3.5, it isn't that bad.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really glad to see Acura have a Type-S lineup. I'll be at the local dealer waiting for my turn to drive one when it comes out.

Did anyone fill out the irritating online Acura survey after they bought their car? I did. I remember them asking if I'd be interested in a "performance oriented" lineup comarable to BMW's M and Mercedes-Benz's AMG models.

Too bad "hell yes" wasn't an option.

I immediately thought of a potential Type-S when answering this question.

blkactypes01

thats goin to drive like crap......they should make it AWD

Newplay1

07 is the last TSX right? 08 is a total redesign with AWD 240HP from RDX engine? Followed by AWD TSX COUPE?

jpt

Why? Remember the 330i and G35 don't come standard with leather seats, bluetooth, heated seats, homelink, etc. etc. etc.

Well, the MT TL already has an LSD, I assume any type-S will as well. That's not a 100% fix but it should help some.

Um, no. TSX will get a full model change in 2008 but there is no real information about what it will have. Not even real rumors, just wishful thinking on this forum.

Mokos23

My sentiments exactly, but you should've posted this in the off topic forum in car talk where they say the TL type S will be 286hp/256tq.

At $35-37K you can get a fully loaded G35 current generation and it's 275hp auto/ 293hp manual than the $39K TL type S.

Also, why get an 2007 TL-S when the next gen TL is around the corner in 2008?

Newplay1

MY'08 with RDX engine for the win! and TSX AWD COUPE to follow to rob 2008 BMW 328I COUPE sales :p

fsttyms1

Why just because its FWD??

vitocorleone

I think that the additional power MAY* make it that much harder to control the car when driving aggressively, especially with a MT (and almost assured crappy OEM tires).

* = probably depends on whether any changes/tweaks were made to the suspension and traction control, etc. to help reduce torque steer and/or wheel hopping.

ExcelPremium

When is the TSX coupe comming out? Is it officially announced yet?

Any pictures or what it's suppose to look like?

Black_6spd

LSD helps get power down during hard cornering. If I'm not mistaken, it actually worsens torque steer.

I'm basing this off the feedback from highly tuned, high-torque FWD cars like the RSX and Civc swap owners. When many of them switch to a Quaife or ITR LSD, the torque steer got worse.

jpt

Hmm, now that I think about it, you're probably right. An LSD allows the wheels to get unequal amounts of torque which will make the slip angles change for the worse, not better.

Oh well.

vwong

Like what I posted at the Prelude forum.

286hp, 256lb-ft of torque.....nice, but mated to a FWD drivetrain.....no thanks.

Black_6spd

I forgot to add that the front-heavy TL's balance will only get worse with the heavier engine.

This combo isn't sounding too sporty afterall...

drunkenbuda

Weak, i don't like it at all. I'm to much in love with my TSX to even consider a TL. I'll be in line for the new model TSX....for sure.

Brandon24pdx

Im pretty sure the current TL will run for 5 years if they are giving it a refresh for '07, which would mean no new TL until MY 09.

mg7726

the MMC interior and exterior on the TL looks very good, imo.

but $39k for a FWD, no way. i will wait for the AWD hondas in next couple of years.

lito

Duh the Accord TypeS been out. Where have you been

Mokos23

I posted this on the other TL-S off topic thread, but does anyone foresee that with the release of the TL-S again, won't it make the RL redundant?

I predict that the TL-S will hurt RL sales even more. Aside from the SH-AWD, has 4 more hp, and its made in Japan, I think the TL-S will steal sales from it's brother.

DateTSX

more photos and details from Autoweek.com
check out those wheels!

Acura TL Type-S is back - AutoWeek

snh6speed

we dont have a type s in the US

stewie20068

Lito did a honda conversion...

On autoweek they have a bunch of pics of the new TL and typeS...I'm not pleased. The back of the typeS is WAY too busy with badges and new taillights and quad exhaust. I like the exhaust but I'd remove the badges (like I just did on my TSX).

the new fogs relocated to the lower bumper look out of place to me. it messes up the proportions of the front.

and the worst of all...the rims. They are hideous. who the hell authorized those? I've never even see any like that before. and I though the '06 TSX rims were bad...

to say the least I'm glad my dad already has an '05 TL. I mean for the extra 7 grand to upgrade to a typeS he could do intake, exhaust and headers for comparable power and get some aftermarket springs and sway bars to bring the handling up to par. by some rough calculations those mods would come in under 3K.

how do you guys think the typeS will sell? it seems to be a much more hardcore car than the previous generation typeS.

minkl81

iTrader: (2)

guess this guy doesn't know LITO..

HoRRo

lol, OEM From Racing Hart or Weds ?!?

omj376

While I don't have real data (i.e. press release), my personal guess is that I don't think TSX-S will happen for the current generation TSX. The current TSX is at least half-way done in its life (04,05,06) and by most accounts 75% done in its life, so I doubt it makes engineering sense to invest money into developing a Type-S for a car that only has 1 or maybe 2 years left in its life. However, from a Marketing perpsective, if Acura is losing a lot of buyers to the A4/IS350 for the lower power in the TSX, this can be a possibility, but even then, I think it would be cheaper for Acura to win with the TSX on price. Besides, the 06 has some tweaks with slightly increased HP/torque and redesigned transmission to address this issue (baby steps ).

Going forward for the next generation TSX, I think this is a strong, if not a necessary, possibility. Acura probably does lose a lot of potential buyers to the A4/IS350, with the smaller engine in the TSX one of the main factors for the decision.

jiggaman

yeah those wheels are gross and i love the wedsport ones.

MattJP

Good lord, that would be sweet....

JeffS

That would be the TL-S with Navi. You can subtract $2-2.5K for non-navi for the S model.

mg7726

yeah, it's too late in the TSX model years to have a Type S. Hopefully we will see it for the 2nd gen TSX using the Sports 4 concept - with a four door and two door setup.

that would be nice.

Black_6spd

Redesigned tranny for 06? I thought it was identical to the 04/05?

omj376

I meant to say "stronger" ... here are the 2006 changes (taken from www.acuranews.com -> go to TSX and look for "2006 Acura TSX- Introduction"; i belive this is an official acura/honda press release site)

2006 Model Year Changes

Powertrain

* Horsepower increased to 205 SAE net (Rev 8/04) @ 7000 rpm
* Torque increased to 164 lbs-ft. SAE net (Rev 8/04) @ 4500 rpm
* Larger intake valves
* Increased valve timing and lift
* Increased intake and exhaust flow
* Reduced engine pumping losses
* Stronger automatic transmission to complement increased horsepower
o Higher capacity clutch
o Higher capacity torque converter

you can find the remaining changes to interior, exterior styling, chasis on the above website

Newplay1

So for my'08 TL/TL-S

Real-time traffic reports on Navi
4 tips.
ugly 15s looking wheels (Basically telling you to go out and buy JDM wheels)
More HP !
Runflat? or was that on the 08 RL only?