SAZABI

hee.... this is what we done on Spoon_TSX's engine yesterday...

Dan Martin

Grounding wires?

Why?

SAZABI

measure from the negative of battery and any point of the car. Then you will know why

edit: numbers don't lie

BlackTSX

I dont understand those things, does anyone want to enlighten me?

NeoChaser

i thought it was a "spoon k24"

SAZABI

oh... I mean taking measurement with a digital volt meter.

Dan Martin

That's fine but what do you gain by doing it? Wouldn't a GLI be a better/cheaper solution for any audio problems? And how am I a loser for asking a question????

NeoChaser

nah SAZABI does things over the top sometimes.. don't mind him...

SAZABI

what loser???
I just think that emoticon is funny

Dan Martin

ah ok.


So you still haven't answered my question... was it for audio performance?

SAZABI

no... not for audio.
I don't have dyno numbers for TSX.
But new cars don't necessary have good grounding when they come stock.
dyno on IS300 shows around 10hp gain from ground wires.
and the numbers my friend (he showed me that) mesaured on the TSX using a volt meter tells me the grounding path for TSX sucks big time. (3 times worst than RSX)

Since I don't have dyno, I won't comment on the performance gained, b/c it may just be some wrong feeling.
Things that I notice after adding ground wires.
1. brighter headlight - I can see the hid at some place where there are street light, and I didn't see the light pattern before adding the wire.
2. When I play semi-auto, I am going 60kmh usually when I shift into 4th. After wires, around 1800rpm 3rd gear, I am going 60kmh (sometimes I am confused if I should shift to 4th at that point).
3. I used to check which gear the computer is using. Usually it is 4th gear in city. After wires, usually in 5th gear.

Well... better or worse, I don't know, but there is a difference for sure.

BlackTSX

These things are weird, haha, half the people in the world say they are bogus half say they are great.

How would grounding wires give you 10 hp? Does the car run smoother or are there any other benefits from these....and really do they work, are there any other people with good/bad experience with these things?

SAZABI

well... at least I can tell the diff. (not necessary better)
For $50 bucks, why not?
may be not any performance gained, but I know FOR SURE my car has better grounding path, and I think it looks good in the engine bay.

BlackTSX

the looks i do agree hahah, i like the blue wires, just trying to figure these things out usually there is a consensus (spelling?) on mods, but these grounding wires seem to have so many mixed opinions

SAZABI

Yup, and I see lots of people, who don't even have them on, claiming they are useless, b/c new car supposed to have very good grounding...

Just keep this in mind: I have seen and proven the stock TSX does not have good grounding path. But whether a good grounding path gonna do anything... I don't know.

CL9-R

I have it on my own car.. The ONE big difference I felt after the kit I made was put on.. Throttle response was smoother..

BlackTSX

cool cool, well thanks for the opinions guys, ill have to take a look at these things see what i can come up with

Dan Martin

10hp at 12V is around 621amps! Considering that the alternator puts out 90amps that would be a good trick!

SAZABI

hi our car is not hybrid.

Dan Martin

where is the 10hp coming from then?

228

these wired gain 10hp????

SAZABI

hi, you better read my messages again.
I did not say the TSX gained 10hp. It was IS300

if you don't believe, it is ok. I have better things to do than argueing with stubborn people.

228

o...misunderstanding only

Andynolife

hey SAZABI .... can u do the ground wiring for my car .. ~~
the work u done looks great .. ~~ i always think the grounding path in my car sux ..
anway .. let me kno thx .. ~

SAZABI

I can't... my friend helped me do it, esp the welding part. (weld the wires to the connector)

Andynolife

oh ic .. ~~ then where u get the kit from ??

xizor

I-MOD has some post on clubrsx that 1 fat wire from the negative terminal has been proven to be more effective than grounding the entire engine bay. I don't really believe that grounding wires do much, but I may do the 1 fat wire approach

Faid

Where is a Good Place to Install the Grounding Wires??
i want to get it install but dont know where to get or install

SAZABI

It is the same theory. We use wire that is only 8 guage. One big fat is probably 2 guage to one spot. even tho one 8 guage wire is enough, b/c my volt meter read "0" after only 1 wire. But we do it for looks and to make ourselves feel better.

The point is from negative terminal to body, stock sucks big time already.

SAZABI

If you guys really want. I can ask my friend see how much he will do it. Then you can shop around.

SAZABI

Oh, but one thing. When we measure stock RSX, most points to the negative terminal is around 0.1 to 0.2. That means the paths in RSX is already good.
But for TSX, from negative to body (that stock wire) is already 0.4. Further is 0.5. The worst point is 0.7. So, one big fat one may not work as well as in RSX.

Tsex on 19s

sazabi u talk like u kno everything about a car.. dan martin knows his shit..dont hate on the man..

Cyde

i got custom ground wire kit based on T1R kit, but i changed it the hihger gage, gold conectors, stainless stell bolts, AND NO DASIY CHAINS! al direct conections!

It's deffinately not usless just ask honda! all the components in the car are grounded by factory...but honda admits they ground the car after it's been painted. so what i did, i sanded the paint off in all the factory ground point that i could reach, and doubled the body ground so that all the other components which are all grounded to the car as designed have better conection back to the negative terminal.

yes it's true tsx resistance is a lot worst than rsx, simply because look at how much thicker the metal we are using in the tsx, it's a lot worst conductor than the rsx, but our chasis is alot stiffer, plus the metal in the TSX/accord is mixed, but not full aloy...

I've never heard 10HP on any car from ground wires, ground wires are not suppose to increae that much hp, maybe +1-2hp at most, but it is suppose to improve throttle response and help the car run alot smoother, rember when tunning it's not all about HP

SAZABI

what makes you think so? You better see a doctor. :sqntfawk:
stfu if you don't know anything on this topic.
You are welcome to cut in to this debate by putting your thought and points. But please not just "yeah, i believe in him, and you must be wrong" ty

Tsex on 19s

nicely put, i need to find someone who could install those for me, and id get em for 50 bucks, wouldnt hurt.

Andynolife

sure .. tell me when u kno it .... thx
and also .... is there any thing we can do to improve the ingition system ?? ~ ...

SAZABI

Cyde surely can explain things better!

but it did happen on an IS300. If it is not possible:
1. there was some problem with the dyno
2. those people lied about it (but I dont' see why people would do that, they don't work for Toyota or HKS... it was a HKS grouding kit)

SAZABI

not much you can do with direct ignition system....
but you heard about sth called "hotwire" in Japan? I dont' know exactly how it works or whether it works or not... you may need to do some research....
may be spark plug, but I think the spark plug on TSX is already very good (iridium if my memory is not messed up)

Cyde

chill man, i don't think he ment it that way, everyone was clueless one time or another..

Cyde

1 um usually dunno, have a variance of +/- 1 to 4 maybe more hp depending on the dyno
2 people always lie... always statistically speaking we lie about 1 out of every 10 or 7 sentences sory can't remeber..
some peole say anythingto make a sale also, or just made error without knowing...