Second Impressions (long)
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Second Impressions (long)
After my test drive with the TSX in Sept., I make a post describing my initial impressions with the car. This post will relate my impressions with the car after having had some experience with it.
These are personal impressions, and opinions, only. You may find that you disagree with some, or even all, of them.
I took delivery of a PWP 5AT on 5 Oct., 2004 from Apple Tree Acura in Fletcher, NC (near Asheville). I have been very pleased with the car and extremely pleased with the purchase experience at Apple Tree Acura. I would recommend the TXS, as well as Apple Tree Acura, to anyone in the market for a car in this price range and size. It is a complete package that is well executed and is a very good value. It is joy to drive and is also easy on the eyes; both inside and outside. It is also easy on gasoline. And, I expect it to be easy on maintenance given Acura's reputation for reliability (sans transmissions).
I did a lot of online research before looking at cars. The cars I test drove were; Pontiac Grand Prix, Mercedes C320, Buick La Sabre GT, and a Volvo S40.
I grew up with cars and was driving a stick shift, on back roads, at about the age of 10. The cars I have owned are a '64 Mercury Comet (289 cu. in with 4MT -- a common phase back then was "four in the floor"), a '66 GTO, a '84 Pontiac and a '90 Grand Am with the Quad 4 engine.
I don't like to spend a lot of money on cars and generally keep them for many years. A car is first, and foremost, transportation -- to get me from Point A to Point B without discomfort and without a sense of being in unnecessary danger.
The TXS is the best car that I have purchased; build quality, amenities, comfort, safety, handling, and fuel economy all are tops. It is also the most enjoyable to drive. The only car that matched it in pleasure to drive was the GTO (it was sold about four months ago). The GTO was a two speed automatic and two speeds was all that was needed. It would too often spin the tires when I didn't want it to -- and it would hit 90 MPH in first gear. The engine was rebuilt by Roger Grooms in Nashville and was producing about 425 BHP. I achieved 13 MPH in town and 17 MPG on the highway.
The views, and opinions, expressed below are shaped primarily by my experience with the 6000 and the Grand Am (I still have both). I am not an expert at car designs, ergonomics, or any other subject. Therefore, all views, and opinions, expressed are subjective. Others will have different views and opinions.
In the six weeks that I have owned the TSX, I have driven 3,000 miles. During this time I have gotten used to nearly all the differences with the TXS; even with the tach being on the wrong side of the speedometer. The one thing that I haven't gotten used to is the Sport Shift moving in the wrong direction (forward to upshift, instead of back). About ninety-eight percent of my driving is with the Sport Shift.
The cruise controls are also awkward to me. I would prefer to have the cruise controls on a stalk and a dash mounted rotary light switch instead of the light switches on a stalk. Adjusting the cruise control without having to remove my hand from the steering wheel is a big plus -- and that also applies to turning the cruise control on and off. The cruise control stalk still serves to switch the headlights between low beams and high beams. Nearly all of the miles have been in-town and on two lane mountain roads. I am getting 27 MPG. On the one Interstate trip I averaged 34 MPG over a distance of 270 miles. However, I did spend a lot of time behind big trucks, and SUV's, during that trip.
I added a quart of oil during the first 2,000 miles, 1/3 of a quart at a time. There has been less than a tenth of a quart consumed since then. I have had no issues other than the windshield washer nozzle on the drivers side spraying too low. The dealer replaced it and the stream now hits at about the same point as the passenger side, but still lower than my previous cars (apparently because of the sunroof -- I presume that Acura did not want anyone to be taking unplanned showers). I have had no unexpected noises other than a low frequency rumble in the rear that is apparently caused by low-profile times on some road surfaces.
What I like about the TSX:
o) The excellent handling; especially on the many twisty
roads in this area.
o) The smooth, and reasonably quite, engine.
o) The silky smooth, and fast acting, Sport Shift. The
Sport Shift is absolutely great for driving in the
mountains. It is fast and smooth, without the delay, and
distraction, of having to use a clutch.
o) The easy to read dials
o) The well laid-out dash and interior
o) The excellent fuel economy (27 MPG in town) combined with
the extended range. I first put gas in my TSX after 350
miles of city and mountain driving.
o) The location, and ease of use, of the emergency flasher
switch.
o) The dual climate control
o) The electric driver's seat (comfortable with a large
range of movement -- and fast)
o) The heated seats
o) The wipers and electric windows moving with gusto.
o) The ability to lower the windows with the remote key FOB.
o) The ambient lighting at night in the interior.
o) The locking gas cap (the Grand Prix at $32,000.00 doesn't
have one).
o) Decent audio system (good highs and mid-range with very
good imaging -- but weak on bass).
o) The trunk release (the release mounted on the trunk lid)
What I don't like about the TSX:
o) The direction of the Sport Shift
o) Not having a one-touch sunroof button.
o) Not having a switch on the dash to turn the interior
lights on and off (I consider this a major oversight on
the part of Acura)
o) Water from the roof enters the passenger compartment much
too easily. All my previous cars were much better at
keeping water from the roof out of the car. I suspect
part of the problem is the design of the window seals.
o) The outer portion of door frames (jams) not being
shielded from road dirt. The door seals are not very
close to the perimeter of the doors.
o) Cruise controls on the steering wheel rather than a
stalk. I like to tap the speed up, and down, with my
left fingers without removing my hand from the steering
wheel. And, I have always found the controls to be right
at my fingers; without having to move my left hand. On
the TSX, I am removing my right hand from the steering
wheel in order to adjust the cruise controls -- including
turning the cruise control on and off.
o) Not having a light in the center console
o) Not having a light in the trunk lid
o) Not having Daytime Running Lights
o) The light on the door lock switch, driver side, going
dark when the ignition key is removed. But, the lights
on the switches for the windows stay lit. It is just as
important for me to lock the doors as to close the
windows and the door lock light should also stay lit.
o) The passenger side overhead light interferes with the
driver's visibility because the light is not sufficiently
focused (the lights in the Pontiac 6000 are much better).
A spot light is needed as well as the flood light (in the
same manner as the Pontiac 6000). With the 6000, I can
leave the passenger light on continuously while driving
and it does not adversely effect outside visibility. The
focused beams also places nearly all of the light where
it is needed.
o) Having to turn the steering wheel, at times, in order to
get the key to turn in the ignition switch. I don't have
this situation with the Pontiacs.
o) I accept that projected beams headlights, and HID bulbs,
are here to stay. Those more concerned with style than
with safety will insist upon it. But, I am no fan of
either. They blind me when mounted on other cars and my
headlights blind others. I can often see the very bright
area of my beams shinning right into another driver's
eyes or rear view mirror. On two lane rural country
roads at between 7:00p and mid-night, I get flashed an
average of about once every 50 miles. I do not recall
every been flashed while driving the 6000 or Grand Am
with low beams.
o) I hate the projected headlights when driving in the
mountains. The cutoff line moves up and down the road as
you go up and down hills and is sometimes just a few feet
in front of the car at the bottom of a depression. You
can not see the road beyond a few feet. In addition,
while on climbing curves, the cutoff line is brightly
projected onto the trees and is constantly moving up and
down the tree trunks. It is very disconcerting. My
Pontiacs, with sealed beamed lights, provide much better
lighting for driving in the mountains at night. In
addition, the high beams on the TSX are not as effective
as the high beams on my Pontiacs in any driving situation --
but they are close.
o) Having two different colors of light for the headlights;
blue (a cool color) for low beams and orange/yellow (a
warm color) for high beams.
o) Not having an indicator on the dash showing you when the
headlights are on. The indicator is lit when the parking
lights are turned on. I would like to see an indicator
when the low beams are on. I don't need an indicator for
the parking lights. But, two separate indicators would
be okay. At present, there is no indication on the dash
showing when the low beams are on.
o) Front and rear bumpers that apparently will not sustain
a 5 MPH impact without a trip to the body shop (based
upon online reasearch). My Pontiacs have been subjected
to several low speed impacts, of up to 10 MPH, without
any damage.
o) A driver's manual that is about 1/3 thicker than it need
be, and more difficult to use than it need be because it
covers two different cars; models with a Nav and models
without a Nav.
o) That it has four doors. I would much prefer a two door
model with the same body style.
Suggestions for improvements:
o) Add Daytime Running Lights (Pontiacs have them).
o) Have a hidden switch, and a replaceable shift-gate cover,
that would allow the owner to set the direction of the
Sport Shifter. Not only does it seems to be backwards to
me, but there is a very disgusting consequence to having
the current direction. About 98 percent of my driving is
in Sport Shift mode. The few times I do use fully
automatic mode, I will often forget that I am in
automatic and reach down and push the shifter forward.
Well, guess what happens. The transmission is placed
into neutral at exactly the point that the car needs to
be accelerating, the engine RPM's approach the redline,
and the driver behind me wonders what in the hell am I
doing. I hate it when that happens. It is also a safety
issue. Having the shifter move in the opposite direction
would completely eliminate this situation because
attempting to move the sifter towards the rear when in
automatic mode would do no harm -- the shifter simply
will not move.
o) Provide a dash mounted "secure" button that would close
the sunroof and all windows. Put a similar button on
the key FOB with the added functionality of locking the
car and setting the alarm.
o) A dash mounted on/off switch for lights. Should turn off
lights even if they were automatically turned on by the
car. It is a good idea to turn on the interior lights
when stopped by a police officer at night; especially if
you have tinted windows. It is not easy to do in a TSX.
o) The light on the door lock switch, driver side, should
stay on in the same manner as the lights for the window
switches, and the overhead lights, when the ignition key
is removed.
o) Stamp a crosshatch pattern on the oil dip stick so that
it will hold more oil and be easier to read; especially
in dim light (Pontiacs have it).
o) Put a light in the center console (Pontiacs have it).
o) Put a light in the truck lid. The body mounted light is
much too dim and inadequate. Furthermore, the light can
easily be blocked by luggage. Pontiacs have a very
bright light in the trunk lid.
o) Add heated side mirrors (perhaps already available on
2005 models).
o) Provide interior flood lights and spot lights (like the
Pontiac 6000). The spot lights ought to be switched on
and off manually -- with no automatic switching.
o) Improve the bass response of the audio system. And, I
speak of quality of sound -- not volume. There is a big
difference between quality of sound, and quantity of
sound, that escapes many young people.
o) Add easy to access aux. input jacks to the audio system.
o) Print two different owner's manuals -- one for models
with Nav and one for models without Nav.
o) Replace the DVD in the Nav with a Compact Flash memory
card that can be updated from a PC or a MAC with modules
downloaded via the Internet. Perhaps also allow
subscribers to submit new information regarding
Restaurants, Construction Zones, Detours, etc. Such
information should be validated via other subscribers, or
sources, before being published.
o) The trunk release button on the key FOB is very easy to
find; in the dark, in one's pocket, at night, without
looking because it has a concave surface. However,
ninety-nine percent of the time, I want to get into the
driver's seat and not the trunk. It would be a huge
improvement to have the concave surface on the door
release button instead of on the trunk release button.
Some photos can be seen at:
http://psiprograms.com/cImages/TSX/
A couple of the photos shows a truck on mountain roads. What do you do when you round a curve, with about 150 feet of visibility, at 35 MPH and find an 18 wheeler on your side of the road coming at you at about 30 MPH -- and with no place to get off the road?
Q.E.D.
These are personal impressions, and opinions, only. You may find that you disagree with some, or even all, of them.
I took delivery of a PWP 5AT on 5 Oct., 2004 from Apple Tree Acura in Fletcher, NC (near Asheville). I have been very pleased with the car and extremely pleased with the purchase experience at Apple Tree Acura. I would recommend the TXS, as well as Apple Tree Acura, to anyone in the market for a car in this price range and size. It is a complete package that is well executed and is a very good value. It is joy to drive and is also easy on the eyes; both inside and outside. It is also easy on gasoline. And, I expect it to be easy on maintenance given Acura's reputation for reliability (sans transmissions).
I did a lot of online research before looking at cars. The cars I test drove were; Pontiac Grand Prix, Mercedes C320, Buick La Sabre GT, and a Volvo S40.
I grew up with cars and was driving a stick shift, on back roads, at about the age of 10. The cars I have owned are a '64 Mercury Comet (289 cu. in with 4MT -- a common phase back then was "four in the floor"), a '66 GTO, a '84 Pontiac and a '90 Grand Am with the Quad 4 engine.
I don't like to spend a lot of money on cars and generally keep them for many years. A car is first, and foremost, transportation -- to get me from Point A to Point B without discomfort and without a sense of being in unnecessary danger.
The TXS is the best car that I have purchased; build quality, amenities, comfort, safety, handling, and fuel economy all are tops. It is also the most enjoyable to drive. The only car that matched it in pleasure to drive was the GTO (it was sold about four months ago). The GTO was a two speed automatic and two speeds was all that was needed. It would too often spin the tires when I didn't want it to -- and it would hit 90 MPH in first gear. The engine was rebuilt by Roger Grooms in Nashville and was producing about 425 BHP. I achieved 13 MPH in town and 17 MPG on the highway.
The views, and opinions, expressed below are shaped primarily by my experience with the 6000 and the Grand Am (I still have both). I am not an expert at car designs, ergonomics, or any other subject. Therefore, all views, and opinions, expressed are subjective. Others will have different views and opinions.
In the six weeks that I have owned the TSX, I have driven 3,000 miles. During this time I have gotten used to nearly all the differences with the TXS; even with the tach being on the wrong side of the speedometer. The one thing that I haven't gotten used to is the Sport Shift moving in the wrong direction (forward to upshift, instead of back). About ninety-eight percent of my driving is with the Sport Shift.
The cruise controls are also awkward to me. I would prefer to have the cruise controls on a stalk and a dash mounted rotary light switch instead of the light switches on a stalk. Adjusting the cruise control without having to remove my hand from the steering wheel is a big plus -- and that also applies to turning the cruise control on and off. The cruise control stalk still serves to switch the headlights between low beams and high beams. Nearly all of the miles have been in-town and on two lane mountain roads. I am getting 27 MPG. On the one Interstate trip I averaged 34 MPG over a distance of 270 miles. However, I did spend a lot of time behind big trucks, and SUV's, during that trip.
I added a quart of oil during the first 2,000 miles, 1/3 of a quart at a time. There has been less than a tenth of a quart consumed since then. I have had no issues other than the windshield washer nozzle on the drivers side spraying too low. The dealer replaced it and the stream now hits at about the same point as the passenger side, but still lower than my previous cars (apparently because of the sunroof -- I presume that Acura did not want anyone to be taking unplanned showers). I have had no unexpected noises other than a low frequency rumble in the rear that is apparently caused by low-profile times on some road surfaces.
What I like about the TSX:
o) The excellent handling; especially on the many twisty
roads in this area.
o) The smooth, and reasonably quite, engine.
o) The silky smooth, and fast acting, Sport Shift. The
Sport Shift is absolutely great for driving in the
mountains. It is fast and smooth, without the delay, and
distraction, of having to use a clutch.
o) The easy to read dials
o) The well laid-out dash and interior
o) The excellent fuel economy (27 MPG in town) combined with
the extended range. I first put gas in my TSX after 350
miles of city and mountain driving.
o) The location, and ease of use, of the emergency flasher
switch.
o) The dual climate control
o) The electric driver's seat (comfortable with a large
range of movement -- and fast)
o) The heated seats
o) The wipers and electric windows moving with gusto.
o) The ability to lower the windows with the remote key FOB.
o) The ambient lighting at night in the interior.
o) The locking gas cap (the Grand Prix at $32,000.00 doesn't
have one).
o) Decent audio system (good highs and mid-range with very
good imaging -- but weak on bass).
o) The trunk release (the release mounted on the trunk lid)
What I don't like about the TSX:
o) The direction of the Sport Shift
o) Not having a one-touch sunroof button.
o) Not having a switch on the dash to turn the interior
lights on and off (I consider this a major oversight on
the part of Acura)
o) Water from the roof enters the passenger compartment much
too easily. All my previous cars were much better at
keeping water from the roof out of the car. I suspect
part of the problem is the design of the window seals.
o) The outer portion of door frames (jams) not being
shielded from road dirt. The door seals are not very
close to the perimeter of the doors.
o) Cruise controls on the steering wheel rather than a
stalk. I like to tap the speed up, and down, with my
left fingers without removing my hand from the steering
wheel. And, I have always found the controls to be right
at my fingers; without having to move my left hand. On
the TSX, I am removing my right hand from the steering
wheel in order to adjust the cruise controls -- including
turning the cruise control on and off.
o) Not having a light in the center console
o) Not having a light in the trunk lid
o) Not having Daytime Running Lights
o) The light on the door lock switch, driver side, going
dark when the ignition key is removed. But, the lights
on the switches for the windows stay lit. It is just as
important for me to lock the doors as to close the
windows and the door lock light should also stay lit.
o) The passenger side overhead light interferes with the
driver's visibility because the light is not sufficiently
focused (the lights in the Pontiac 6000 are much better).
A spot light is needed as well as the flood light (in the
same manner as the Pontiac 6000). With the 6000, I can
leave the passenger light on continuously while driving
and it does not adversely effect outside visibility. The
focused beams also places nearly all of the light where
it is needed.
o) Having to turn the steering wheel, at times, in order to
get the key to turn in the ignition switch. I don't have
this situation with the Pontiacs.
o) I accept that projected beams headlights, and HID bulbs,
are here to stay. Those more concerned with style than
with safety will insist upon it. But, I am no fan of
either. They blind me when mounted on other cars and my
headlights blind others. I can often see the very bright
area of my beams shinning right into another driver's
eyes or rear view mirror. On two lane rural country
roads at between 7:00p and mid-night, I get flashed an
average of about once every 50 miles. I do not recall
every been flashed while driving the 6000 or Grand Am
with low beams.
o) I hate the projected headlights when driving in the
mountains. The cutoff line moves up and down the road as
you go up and down hills and is sometimes just a few feet
in front of the car at the bottom of a depression. You
can not see the road beyond a few feet. In addition,
while on climbing curves, the cutoff line is brightly
projected onto the trees and is constantly moving up and
down the tree trunks. It is very disconcerting. My
Pontiacs, with sealed beamed lights, provide much better
lighting for driving in the mountains at night. In
addition, the high beams on the TSX are not as effective
as the high beams on my Pontiacs in any driving situation --
but they are close.
o) Having two different colors of light for the headlights;
blue (a cool color) for low beams and orange/yellow (a
warm color) for high beams.
o) Not having an indicator on the dash showing you when the
headlights are on. The indicator is lit when the parking
lights are turned on. I would like to see an indicator
when the low beams are on. I don't need an indicator for
the parking lights. But, two separate indicators would
be okay. At present, there is no indication on the dash
showing when the low beams are on.
o) Front and rear bumpers that apparently will not sustain
a 5 MPH impact without a trip to the body shop (based
upon online reasearch). My Pontiacs have been subjected
to several low speed impacts, of up to 10 MPH, without
any damage.
o) A driver's manual that is about 1/3 thicker than it need
be, and more difficult to use than it need be because it
covers two different cars; models with a Nav and models
without a Nav.
o) That it has four doors. I would much prefer a two door
model with the same body style.
Suggestions for improvements:
o) Add Daytime Running Lights (Pontiacs have them).
o) Have a hidden switch, and a replaceable shift-gate cover,
that would allow the owner to set the direction of the
Sport Shifter. Not only does it seems to be backwards to
me, but there is a very disgusting consequence to having
the current direction. About 98 percent of my driving is
in Sport Shift mode. The few times I do use fully
automatic mode, I will often forget that I am in
automatic and reach down and push the shifter forward.
Well, guess what happens. The transmission is placed
into neutral at exactly the point that the car needs to
be accelerating, the engine RPM's approach the redline,
and the driver behind me wonders what in the hell am I
doing. I hate it when that happens. It is also a safety
issue. Having the shifter move in the opposite direction
would completely eliminate this situation because
attempting to move the sifter towards the rear when in
automatic mode would do no harm -- the shifter simply
will not move.
o) Provide a dash mounted "secure" button that would close
the sunroof and all windows. Put a similar button on
the key FOB with the added functionality of locking the
car and setting the alarm.
o) A dash mounted on/off switch for lights. Should turn off
lights even if they were automatically turned on by the
car. It is a good idea to turn on the interior lights
when stopped by a police officer at night; especially if
you have tinted windows. It is not easy to do in a TSX.
o) The light on the door lock switch, driver side, should
stay on in the same manner as the lights for the window
switches, and the overhead lights, when the ignition key
is removed.
o) Stamp a crosshatch pattern on the oil dip stick so that
it will hold more oil and be easier to read; especially
in dim light (Pontiacs have it).
o) Put a light in the center console (Pontiacs have it).
o) Put a light in the truck lid. The body mounted light is
much too dim and inadequate. Furthermore, the light can
easily be blocked by luggage. Pontiacs have a very
bright light in the trunk lid.
o) Add heated side mirrors (perhaps already available on
2005 models).
o) Provide interior flood lights and spot lights (like the
Pontiac 6000). The spot lights ought to be switched on
and off manually -- with no automatic switching.
o) Improve the bass response of the audio system. And, I
speak of quality of sound -- not volume. There is a big
difference between quality of sound, and quantity of
sound, that escapes many young people.
o) Add easy to access aux. input jacks to the audio system.
o) Print two different owner's manuals -- one for models
with Nav and one for models without Nav.
o) Replace the DVD in the Nav with a Compact Flash memory
card that can be updated from a PC or a MAC with modules
downloaded via the Internet. Perhaps also allow
subscribers to submit new information regarding
Restaurants, Construction Zones, Detours, etc. Such
information should be validated via other subscribers, or
sources, before being published.
o) The trunk release button on the key FOB is very easy to
find; in the dark, in one's pocket, at night, without
looking because it has a concave surface. However,
ninety-nine percent of the time, I want to get into the
driver's seat and not the trunk. It would be a huge
improvement to have the concave surface on the door
release button instead of on the trunk release button.
Some photos can be seen at:
http://psiprograms.com/cImages/TSX/
A couple of the photos shows a truck on mountain roads. What do you do when you round a curve, with about 150 feet of visibility, at 35 MPH and find an 18 wheeler on your side of the road coming at you at about 30 MPH -- and with no place to get off the road?
Q.E.D.
11-22-2004, 11:42 PM
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Some good points. I do a lot of highway driving (all staight road), and don't find the cut is too low or high. I only got high beamed once by an oncoming driver.
There are a lot more high points than low about the car though. The TSX is great. There are always likes and don't likes for any car.
It seems that the canadian version of the TSX has some stuff your looking for (ie daytime running lights, rearview mirror heater).
There are a lot more high points than low about the car though. The TSX is great. There are always likes and don't likes for any car.
It seems that the canadian version of the TSX has some stuff your looking for (ie daytime running lights, rearview mirror heater).
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Good post. 
(and yes, it was long) I'll send some rep your way.
The one point you made I agree most with is the headlights. If you live in an area with any hills, you soon find that you are constantly blinding people when the TSX goes on certain inclines and declines. I understand that its part of having projected HID headlights, but there has to be a way to address that (other than flashing my brights at people).
(and yes, it was long) I'll send some rep your way. The one point you made I agree most with is the headlights. If you live in an area with any hills, you soon find that you are constantly blinding people when the TSX goes on certain inclines and declines. I understand that its part of having projected HID headlights, but there has to be a way to address that (other than flashing my brights at people).
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Wow that was a long read....Wanna write this paper for me...has to be at least 15 pages on the "Theroy of Inteligent Design"....figure for u that should be a breeze...
all joking aside however...Great post...really like alot of ur ideas, ect... Cant wait to get home and drive mine tomorow (Thanksgiving break)
all joking aside however...Great post...really like alot of ur ideas, ect... Cant wait to get home and drive mine tomorow (Thanksgiving break)
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All your complaints seems to be so minor. Aren't you nit-picking a little bit? You don't expect to buy a perfect car do you? I know when I bought the TSX, I was expecting things not to like. But, the reason why I bought the car still covers up the minor complaints that I have. Some of them are sooo minor you get use to it anyway.
-Sportshift: You push up because you "up-shift" and push down to "down-shift"
-switch to turn off interior lights? You mean like near the speedometer where you can turn the dash lights all the way down?
-cruise control - All you need is one hand to hold the steering wheel and ther other to adjust the cruise. Same thing when your driving stick. One to hold the wheel the other to shift.
-no light in the center console and trunk? There's maplights that point down to the console and there's a trunk light as well. Not a problem with me.
-door lock switch light - once you remove your keys, don't you get out the car anyway and then use your remote to lock the door? Do you remove your key from the ignition and just sit there and lock the doors? The lights for windows stay on so you can close your windows before you get out. You wouldn't need the lock light because you lock your doors from the outside.
-passenger overhead light - why are you driving with that on anyway. If you need to do something pull over. Isn't it a hazard to leave it on while driving?
-steering wheel and ignition key - no matter what car you drive, if you have the wheel in the wrong position, it will prevent you from putting the key in and starting it up. It's happened with every car I've driven. It just depends on how you left the steering wheel when you parked.
HIDS - Yes they blind people, but it improves visibility...to me anyways. And, I have never been flashed by other people. Getting flashed every 50 miles is ridiculous. Are you sure you didn't leave your highbeams on? And, if you want the highbeams to be hids also, you will have to pay extra.
Lights - There is an indicator on the dash that tells you your headlights are on. Most people do not drive with their parking lights on so they turn the knob all the way so they don't need a indicator for parking lights being on. But having two warnings would be good...I guess.
manual - if you can't read the manual than that's your problem. And, you can't distinguish directions for nav models with non-nav models?
2-door TSX - not gonna happen. You're basically driving a RSX if they ever make one.
Seems like you really miss your pontiac. Why didn't you just buy another one? You're basing almost everything you don't like on your Pontiac. Seems to me like you don't the TSX even though you do list some good points about it.
-Sportshift: You push up because you "up-shift" and push down to "down-shift"
-switch to turn off interior lights? You mean like near the speedometer where you can turn the dash lights all the way down?
-cruise control - All you need is one hand to hold the steering wheel and ther other to adjust the cruise. Same thing when your driving stick. One to hold the wheel the other to shift.
-no light in the center console and trunk? There's maplights that point down to the console and there's a trunk light as well. Not a problem with me.
-door lock switch light - once you remove your keys, don't you get out the car anyway and then use your remote to lock the door? Do you remove your key from the ignition and just sit there and lock the doors? The lights for windows stay on so you can close your windows before you get out. You wouldn't need the lock light because you lock your doors from the outside.
-passenger overhead light - why are you driving with that on anyway. If you need to do something pull over. Isn't it a hazard to leave it on while driving?
-steering wheel and ignition key - no matter what car you drive, if you have the wheel in the wrong position, it will prevent you from putting the key in and starting it up. It's happened with every car I've driven. It just depends on how you left the steering wheel when you parked.
HIDS - Yes they blind people, but it improves visibility...to me anyways. And, I have never been flashed by other people. Getting flashed every 50 miles is ridiculous. Are you sure you didn't leave your highbeams on? And, if you want the highbeams to be hids also, you will have to pay extra.
Lights - There is an indicator on the dash that tells you your headlights are on. Most people do not drive with their parking lights on so they turn the knob all the way so they don't need a indicator for parking lights being on. But having two warnings would be good...I guess.
manual - if you can't read the manual than that's your problem. And, you can't distinguish directions for nav models with non-nav models?
2-door TSX - not gonna happen. You're basically driving a RSX if they ever make one.
Seems like you really miss your pontiac. Why didn't you just buy another one? You're basing almost everything you don't like on your Pontiac. Seems to me like you don't the TSX even though you do list some good points about it.
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Originally Posted by rivvin
HIDS - Yes they blind people, but it improves visibility...to me anyways. And, I have never been flashed by other people. Getting flashed every 50 miles is ridiculous. Are you sure you didn't leave your highbeams on? And, if you want the highbeams to be hids also, you will have to pay extra.
In any case I see signs a lot better and I've seen HID's worse than mine.
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The issue with Jim is that he's accustomed to one thing (his Pontiac) and comparing everything to it. Once you've driven something long enough and gotten used to it anything else seems wrong. Like some PC owner having to switch to a Mac.
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The issue with Jim is that he's accustomed to one thing (his Pontiac) and comparing everything to it. Once you've driven something long enough and gotten used to it anything else seems wrong. Like some PC owner having to switch to a Mac.
I kinda agree. the option of the cruise control on the wheel itself is in the majority of all imports these days.
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Glad you got the TSX, and glad you discovered how much fun it is to whip around those hills you live in, for which the TSX handling is perfect................ enjoy.
yup, the car ain't perfect, and it will have some shortcomings. Compared to other cars I've had, this one has been the best.......... discovered that it handles nicely in Philly's monsoon season.........
yup, the car ain't perfect, and it will have some shortcomings. Compared to other cars I've had, this one has been the best.......... discovered that it handles nicely in Philly's monsoon season.........
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I don't understand the cruise control complaint. You can hold onto the wheel with your right hand and change cruise speed with your right thumb. How is this inconvenient?
I think the TSX' cruise control system is the most ergonomic one out there. I never used the stalk cruise on my Saab because it was so out of the way. I find myself putting the TSX in cruise every time I get above 55 MPH.
I think the TSX' cruise control system is the most ergonomic one out there. I never used the stalk cruise on my Saab because it was so out of the way. I find myself putting the TSX in cruise every time I get above 55 MPH.
11-23-2004, 08:52 AM
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You guys have a locking gas cap in the US? On Canadian models you just screw it on and off.
I live in a completely flat area and I still occasionally get flashed by other drivers when I have my low beams on. I like them, but I see your point about how it could be annoying when you're going up and down sharp inclines.
I live in a completely flat area and I still occasionally get flashed by other drivers when I have my low beams on. I like them, but I see your point about how it could be annoying when you're going up and down sharp inclines.
11-23-2004, 09:12 AM
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The issue with Jim is that he's accustomed to one thing (his Pontiac) and comparing everything to it. Once you've driven something long enough and gotten used to it anything else seems wrong. Like some PC owner having to switch to a Mac.
Exactly, coming from other Honda/Acura's most of his points seem like nit picking to me, but if your not used to something......
11-23-2004, 09:13 AM
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You guys have a locking gas cap in the US? On Canadian models you just screw it on and off.
I live in a completely flat area and I still occasionally get flashed by other drivers when I have my low beams on. I like them, but I see your point about how it could be annoying when you're going up and down sharp inclines.
I live in a completely flat area and I still occasionally get flashed by other drivers when I have my low beams on. I like them, but I see your point about how it could be annoying when you're going up and down sharp inclines.
He meant the locking door. There caps screw on just like ours.
11-23-2004, 09:21 AM
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Good review, but to address a few of your concerns...
It is how Acura has always done it so I wouldn't expect a change. It makes logical sense and the average driver would hardly notice the difference.
If this is what I think you mean, then that really isn't an oversight on the part of Acura, but rather an oversight on the entire Japanese auto industry because I have never been in a Japanese made car that has this feature. Only American manufacturers seem to do this.
Not quote sure what you mean by this (water from the roof through which window?). The TSX aerodynamics are extremely good and as a result, air skims very close to the vehicle surface so when a window is open, that air wants to rush inside. Perhaps this is the reason for it.
I have to disagree with you here. Unless you have extremely tiny tiny hands, you should easily be able to reach all of the cruise control switches with your right thumb while your hand remains in the 3 o'clock position on the steering wheel.
Why would you need one in there? If you're searching through the center console for stuff, you should be stopped and then it's not that much trouble to just turn on an interior light.
I found that with lid mounted lights, if I reach in to grab stuff, often times I cover up the light. 
This one I agree with. But I figure that since they're slowly working towards making these mandatory on all cars, it'll eventually get handled.
The window switches only stay lit for 10 minutes and shut off as soon as you open the door. They stay lit to indicate that they are still receiving power.
I have never had interior lights on while I drive so I never have experienced this.
This is a design flaw on the part of Pontiac, not Acura. The steering wheel locking mechanism on the Pontiacs is not very good at all.
The moving cutoff line can be a little disconcerting, but you get used to it. And you'll discover that the light actually is present above the cutoff, just a lot less focused.
Total nitpick. Plus, the two different wavelengths of light ensure two different spectrums of visibility. A plus in my book.
I have never seen any car that uses a separate indicator for low beams.
This issue has been greatly exaggerated. The TSX bumpers work just fine. It was only when they removed the padding behind the bumper that they didn't work well, which is kinda lame since that's why the padding is there in the first place.
The only areas that are covered in the manual with regards to the navi are how the control and radio layouts are different. This takes up about 20 pages, tops. In a 200+ pages manual, that's nothing. And there is a supplementary manual for the navi.
All GM cars have them. Company policy.
Although I have made that same mistake before, I don't think your solution is a good idea. Too much liability when you start letting the consumer make decisions like that.
Haven't ever been in a car with the secure button, but closing windows and sunroof from the keyfob would be a welcome feature.
Unnecessary in my opinion. Just turn on the reading light.
Never had a problem reading the dipstick in my TSX.
I believe this has already been addressed.
What exactly do you mean by this? I have never had these in a car before.
Keep in mind that this is a sub-$30k price range car. Plus, with aftermarket speakers, the bass response is greatly improved.
This is not a bad idea.
Too much added cost. It's cheaper to add pages to an existing document rather than starting a new document.
Would never happen. Another liability issue. You might see the addition of a CF, SD, or even USB key module to the existing DVD navi, but don't expect it to be replaced.
Nitpicking again. If you feel the trunk button, you know where the unlock button is.
Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
What I don't like about the TSX:
o) The direction of the Sport Shift
o) The direction of the Sport Shift
o) Not having a switch on the dash to turn the interior
lights on and off (I consider this a major oversight on
the part of Acura)
lights on and off (I consider this a major oversight on
the part of Acura)
o) Water from the roof enters the passenger compartment much
too easily. All my previous cars were much better at
keeping water from the roof out of the car. I suspect
part of the problem is the design of the window seals.
too easily. All my previous cars were much better at
keeping water from the roof out of the car. I suspect
part of the problem is the design of the window seals.
o) Cruise controls on the steering wheel rather than a
stalk. I like to tap the speed up, and down, with my
left fingers without removing my hand from the steering
wheel. And, I have always found the controls to be right
at my fingers; without having to move my left hand. On
the TSX, I am removing my right hand from the steering
wheel in order to adjust the cruise controls -- including
turning the cruise control on and off.
stalk. I like to tap the speed up, and down, with my
left fingers without removing my hand from the steering
wheel. And, I have always found the controls to be right
at my fingers; without having to move my left hand. On
the TSX, I am removing my right hand from the steering
wheel in order to adjust the cruise controls -- including
turning the cruise control on and off.
o) Not having a light in the center console
o) Not having a light in the trunk lid
o) Not having Daytime Running Lights
o) The light on the door lock switch, driver side, going
dark when the ignition key is removed. But, the lights
on the switches for the windows stay lit. It is just as
important for me to lock the doors as to close the
windows and the door lock light should also stay lit.
dark when the ignition key is removed. But, the lights
on the switches for the windows stay lit. It is just as
important for me to lock the doors as to close the
windows and the door lock light should also stay lit.
o) The passenger side overhead light interferes with the
driver's visibility because the light is not sufficiently
focused (the lights in the Pontiac 6000 are much better).
A spot light is needed as well as the flood light (in the
same manner as the Pontiac 6000). With the 6000, I can
leave the passenger light on continuously while driving
and it does not adversely effect outside visibility. The
focused beams also places nearly all of the light where
it is needed.
driver's visibility because the light is not sufficiently
focused (the lights in the Pontiac 6000 are much better).
A spot light is needed as well as the flood light (in the
same manner as the Pontiac 6000). With the 6000, I can
leave the passenger light on continuously while driving
and it does not adversely effect outside visibility. The
focused beams also places nearly all of the light where
it is needed.
o) Having to turn the steering wheel, at times, in order to
get the key to turn in the ignition switch. I don't have
this situation with the Pontiacs.
get the key to turn in the ignition switch. I don't have
this situation with the Pontiacs.
o) I hate the projected headlights when driving in the
mountains. The cutoff line moves up and down the road as
you go up and down hills and is sometimes just a few feet
in front of the car at the bottom of a depression. You
can not see the road beyond a few feet. In addition,
while on climbing curves, the cutoff line is brightly
projected onto the trees and is constantly moving up and
down the tree trunks. It is very disconcerting. My
Pontiacs, with sealed beamed lights, provide much better
lighting for driving in the mountains at night. In
addition, the high beams on the TSX are not as effective
as the high beams on my Pontiacs in any driving situation --
but they are close.
mountains. The cutoff line moves up and down the road as
you go up and down hills and is sometimes just a few feet
in front of the car at the bottom of a depression. You
can not see the road beyond a few feet. In addition,
while on climbing curves, the cutoff line is brightly
projected onto the trees and is constantly moving up and
down the tree trunks. It is very disconcerting. My
Pontiacs, with sealed beamed lights, provide much better
lighting for driving in the mountains at night. In
addition, the high beams on the TSX are not as effective
as the high beams on my Pontiacs in any driving situation --
but they are close.
o) Having two different colors of light for the headlights;
blue (a cool color) for low beams and orange/yellow (a
warm color) for high beams.
blue (a cool color) for low beams and orange/yellow (a
warm color) for high beams.
o) Not having an indicator on the dash showing you when the
headlights are on. The indicator is lit when the parking
lights are turned on. I would like to see an indicator
when the low beams are on. I don't need an indicator for
the parking lights. But, two separate indicators would
be okay. At present, there is no indication on the dash
showing when the low beams are on.
headlights are on. The indicator is lit when the parking
lights are turned on. I would like to see an indicator
when the low beams are on. I don't need an indicator for
the parking lights. But, two separate indicators would
be okay. At present, there is no indication on the dash
showing when the low beams are on.
o) Front and rear bumpers that apparently will not sustain
a 5 MPH impact without a trip to the body shop (based
upon online reasearch). My Pontiacs have been subjected
to several low speed impacts, of up to 10 MPH, without
any damage.
a 5 MPH impact without a trip to the body shop (based
upon online reasearch). My Pontiacs have been subjected
to several low speed impacts, of up to 10 MPH, without
any damage.
o) A driver's manual that is about 1/3 thicker than it need
be, and more difficult to use than it need be because it
covers two different cars; models with a Nav and models
without a Nav.
be, and more difficult to use than it need be because it
covers two different cars; models with a Nav and models
without a Nav.
Suggestions for improvements:
o) Add Daytime Running Lights (Pontiacs have them).
o) Add Daytime Running Lights (Pontiacs have them).
o) Have a hidden switch, and a replaceable shift-gate cover,
that would allow the owner to set the direction of the
Sport Shifter. Not only does it seems to be backwards to
me, but there is a very disgusting consequence to having
the current direction. About 98 percent of my driving is
in Sport Shift mode. The few times I do use fully
automatic mode, I will often forget that I am in
automatic and reach down and push the shifter forward.
Well, guess what happens. The transmission is placed
into neutral at exactly the point that the car needs to
be accelerating, the engine RPM's approach the redline,
and the driver behind me wonders what in the hell am I
doing. I hate it when that happens. It is also a safety
issue. Having the shifter move in the opposite direction
would completely eliminate this situation because
attempting to move the sifter towards the rear when in
automatic mode would do no harm -- the shifter simply
will not move.
that would allow the owner to set the direction of the
Sport Shifter. Not only does it seems to be backwards to
me, but there is a very disgusting consequence to having
the current direction. About 98 percent of my driving is
in Sport Shift mode. The few times I do use fully
automatic mode, I will often forget that I am in
automatic and reach down and push the shifter forward.
Well, guess what happens. The transmission is placed
into neutral at exactly the point that the car needs to
be accelerating, the engine RPM's approach the redline,
and the driver behind me wonders what in the hell am I
doing. I hate it when that happens. It is also a safety
issue. Having the shifter move in the opposite direction
would completely eliminate this situation because
attempting to move the sifter towards the rear when in
automatic mode would do no harm -- the shifter simply
will not move.
o) Provide a dash mounted "secure" button that would close
the sunroof and all windows. Put a similar button on
the key FOB with the added functionality of locking the
car and setting the alarm.
the sunroof and all windows. Put a similar button on
the key FOB with the added functionality of locking the
car and setting the alarm.
o) A dash mounted on/off switch for lights. Should turn off
lights even if they were automatically turned on by the
car. It is a good idea to turn on the interior lights
when stopped by a police officer at night; especially if
you have tinted windows. It is not easy to do in a TSX.
lights even if they were automatically turned on by the
car. It is a good idea to turn on the interior lights
when stopped by a police officer at night; especially if
you have tinted windows. It is not easy to do in a TSX.
o) Stamp a crosshatch pattern on the oil dip stick so that
it will hold more oil and be easier to read; especially
in dim light (Pontiacs have it).
it will hold more oil and be easier to read; especially
in dim light (Pontiacs have it).
o) Add heated side mirrors (perhaps already available on
2005 models).
2005 models).
o) Provide interior flood lights and spot lights (like the
Pontiac 6000). The spot lights ought to be switched on
and off manually -- with no automatic switching.
Pontiac 6000). The spot lights ought to be switched on
and off manually -- with no automatic switching.
o) Improve the bass response of the audio system. And, I
speak of quality of sound -- not volume. There is a big
difference between quality of sound, and quantity of
sound, that escapes many young people.
speak of quality of sound -- not volume. There is a big
difference between quality of sound, and quantity of
sound, that escapes many young people.
o) Add easy to access aux. input jacks to the audio system.
o) Print two different owner's manuals -- one for models
with Nav and one for models without Nav.
with Nav and one for models without Nav.
o) Replace the DVD in the Nav with a Compact Flash memory
card that can be updated from a PC or a MAC with modules
downloaded via the Internet. Perhaps also allow
subscribers to submit new information regarding
Restaurants, Construction Zones, Detours, etc. Such
information should be validated via other subscribers, or
sources, before being published.
card that can be updated from a PC or a MAC with modules
downloaded via the Internet. Perhaps also allow
subscribers to submit new information regarding
Restaurants, Construction Zones, Detours, etc. Such
information should be validated via other subscribers, or
sources, before being published.
o) The trunk release button on the key FOB is very easy to
find; in the dark, in one's pocket, at night, without
looking because it has a concave surface. However,
ninety-nine percent of the time, I want to get into the
driver's seat and not the trunk. It would be a huge
improvement to have the concave surface on the door
release button instead of on the trunk release button.
find; in the dark, in one's pocket, at night, without
looking because it has a concave surface. However,
ninety-nine percent of the time, I want to get into the
driver's seat and not the trunk. It would be a huge
improvement to have the concave surface on the door
release button instead of on the trunk release button.
11-23-2004, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by biker
The issue with Jim is that he's accustomed to one thing (his Pontiac) and comparing everything to it. Once you've driven something long enough and gotten used to it anything else seems wrong. Like some PC owner having to switch to a Mac.
I went from an Oldsmobile to my TSX...and I still get the intermitten dial wrong from time to time
Jim, the staement "Pontiac's have it" leads me to beleive Acura did the RIGHT THING by leaving it out of the TSX, not the other way around
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You should've bought a G6...
or some other GM product. Jim, what you don't seem to understand, from all your previous posts for months and months now, is that everyone here realizes that there are many differences between a Pontiac and an Acura. Everyone in the world knows there are differences. THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WE BOUGHT AN ACURA!!! Anything that differentiates my car from anything in GM's lineup is welcome in my book. You aren't going to persuade anyone here that the features on your old pontiacs somehow make them better or more fun to drive or easier to use or better looking or anything else. There is a reason that Pontiacs have no resale value. There is also a reason why Acuras are considered some of the most reliable and longest lasting cars. These are FACTS based on years of performance, or in the case of the Pontiacs, the lack of. Not one person I know, if he/she had to take out some clients for lunch, would want to be seen driving a Pontiac. They look like crap. They are built like crap. They drive like crap. Just look at the GTO...that is the best thing that Pontiac has and a STOCK new mustang GT will blow the doors off of it. It is truely annoying to see you continually comparing crap with one of the best cars for the money out there. I don't appreciate it, even if it is your opinion. No one here wants a Pontiac....no one. So don't try to sell me on one. Maybe you are trying to convince yourself that the garbage you have driven thus far is better than it is. In that case, I hope you succeed....because you haven't succeeded in convincing any of us.
11-23-2004, 10:46 AM
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or some other GM product. Jim, what you don't seem to understand, from all your previous posts for months and months now, is that everyone here realizes that there are many differences between a Pontiac and an Acura. Everyone in the world knows there are differences. THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WE BOUGHT AN ACURA!!! Anything that differentiates my car from anything in GM's lineup is welcome in my book. You aren't going to persuade anyone here that the features on your old pontiacs somehow make them better or more fun to drive or easier to use or better looking or anything else. There is a reason that Pontiacs have no resale value. There is also a reason why Acuras are considered some of the most reliable and longest lasting cars. These are FACTS based on years of performance, or in the case of the Pontiacs, the lack of. Not one person I know, if he/she had to take out some clients for lunch, would want to be seen driving a Pontiac. They look like crap. They are built like crap. They drive like crap. Just look at the GTO...that is the best thing that Pontiac has and a STOCK new mustang GT will blow the doors off of it. It is truely annoying to see you continually comparing crap with one of the best cars for the money out there. I don't appreciate it, even if it is your opinion. No one here wants a Pontiac....no one. So don't try to sell me on one. Maybe you are trying to convince yourself that the garbage you have driven thus far is better than it is. In that case, I hope you succeed....because you haven't succeeded in convincing any of us.
11-23-2004, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by slutabunga
or some other GM product. Jim, what you don't seem to understand, from all your previous posts for months and months now, is that everyone here realizes that there are many differences between a Pontiac and an Acura. Everyone in the world knows there are differences. THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WE BOUGHT AN ACURA!!! Anything that differentiates my car from anything in GM's lineup is welcome in my book. You aren't going to persuade anyone here that the features on your old pontiacs somehow make them better or more fun to drive or easier to use or better looking or anything else. There is a reason that Pontiacs have no resale value. There is also a reason why Acuras are considered some of the most reliable and longest lasting cars. These are FACTS based on years of performance, or in the case of the Pontiacs, the lack of. Not one person I know, if he/she had to take out some clients for lunch, would want to be seen driving a Pontiac. They look like crap. They are built like crap. They drive like crap. Just look at the GTO...that is the best thing that Pontiac has and a STOCK new mustang GT will blow the doors off of it. It is truely annoying to see you continually comparing crap with one of the best cars for the money out there. I don't appreciate it, even if it is your opinion. No one here wants a Pontiac....no one. So don't try to sell me on one. Maybe you are trying to convince yourself that the garbage you have driven thus far is better than it is. In that case, I hope you succeed....because you haven't succeeded in convincing any of us.
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Originally Posted by mg7726
good write up. most are minor annoyances; we could use bixenon w/auto-leveling (r u listening Acura?) and bumper impact could be improved 
thats usually when I get flashed, when I take off at a stop and the front end rases the lights rise pretty high.
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Maybe it was...
but I'm sure that if I came in here as a person who had driven nothing but cars from Kia, letting everyone know that I wasn't happy with the differences between the two, people would let me have it. And rightfully so. This is an Acura forum...if I want to know how Pontiac does their interior lighting, I will go to www.thiscarsucks.com. Just my two cents.....
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Originally Posted by CGTSX2004
A tad harsh. I think he had good intentions, but just didn't know about some things in the industry. I think I pretty much addressed most of his concerns.
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Originally Posted by slutabunga
but I'm sure that if I came in here as a person who had driven nothing but cars from Kia, letting everyone know that I wasn't happy with the differences between the two, people would let me have it. And rightfully so. This is an Acura forum...if I want to know how Pontiac does their interior lighting, I will go to www.thiscarsucks.com. Just my two cents.....
It doesn't mean we don't flame at times, but that would not be the right occasion.
Take the time to read, learn about the habits here, the members, etc., and you will find yourself pleased by the way things are around here.
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Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
The TXS is the best car that I have purchased; build quality, amenities, comfort, safety, handling, and fuel economy all are tops. It is also the most enjoyable to drive.
Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
The views, and opinions, expressed below are shaped primarily by my experience with the 6000 and the Grand Am (I still have both). I am not an expert at car designs, ergonomics, or any other subject. Therefore, all views, and opinions, expressed are subjective. Others will have different views and opinions.
His negatives on the TSX or minor, nit pickings and his overall opinion is he loves the TSX. I would much rather see a review that shows pros and cons, than to see a reviewer just writing something I could read from an Acura ad.
11-23-2004, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by slutabunga
but I'm sure that if I came in here as a person who had driven nothing but cars from Kia, letting everyone know that I wasn't happy with the differences between the two, people would let me have it.
11-23-2004, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by slutabunga
or some other GM product. Jim, what you don't seem to understand, from all your previous posts for months and months now, is that everyone here realizes that there are many differences between a Pontiac and an Acura. Everyone in the world knows there are differences. THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WE BOUGHT AN ACURA!!! Anything that differentiates my car from anything in GM's lineup is welcome in my book. You aren't going to persuade anyone here that the features on your old pontiacs somehow make them better or more fun to drive or easier to use or better looking or anything else. There is a reason that Pontiacs have no resale value. There is also a reason why Acuras are considered some of the most reliable and longest lasting cars. These are FACTS based on years of performance, or in the case of the Pontiacs, the lack of. Not one person I know, if he/she had to take out some clients for lunch, would want to be seen driving a Pontiac. They look like crap. They are built like crap. They drive like crap. Just look at the GTO...that is the best thing that Pontiac has and a STOCK new mustang GT will blow the doors off of it. It is truely annoying to see you continually comparing crap with one of the best cars for the money out there. I don't appreciate it, even if it is your opinion. No one here wants a Pontiac....no one. So don't try to sell me on one. Maybe you are trying to convince yourself that the garbage you have driven thus far is better than it is. In that case, I hope you succeed....because you haven't succeeded in convincing any of us.
no one wants a pontiac! so stop comparing it to a TSX. its nothing a like which is a GOOD THING!thank you....everytime i read Jim's post he's always complaining about the TSX. just sell the tsx and get your pontiac back.
im not bein a hata but search for his other threads, there just a like.
11-23-2004, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim Holloman
o) Not having an indicator on the dash showing you when the
headlights are on. The indicator is lit when the parking
lights are turned on. I would like to see an indicator
when the low beams are on. I don't need an indicator for
the parking lights. But, two separate indicators would
be okay. At present, there is no indication on the dash
showing when the low beams are on.
headlights are on. The indicator is lit when the parking
lights are turned on. I would like to see an indicator
when the low beams are on. I don't need an indicator for
the parking lights. But, two separate indicators would
be okay. At present, there is no indication on the dash
showing when the low beams are on.
11-23-2004, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Brain640
I still don't understand why there are two clicks when you turn on the lights. I guess those are the parking brakes you speak of. So if you do two clicks every time, then suddenly that little green light becomes the lowbeams indicator. Am I wrong here? I mean, I thought it was an indicator light for the lowbeams to begin with because I never just use that one click, and i thought it was really cool this car had that. Maybe I'm too young to understand why there are parking lights.
11-23-2004, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by pandimus
ummmmm...... doesnt this car have HID's? Airnt those supposed to be bright? Do you still need a dash indicator indicating lights are on??
And besides, even if your were tarded enough to leave your lights on, they turn off automatically after 15 secs after you lock your car.
11-23-2004, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by joerockt
There is an indicator, I dont know what Jim is talking about. Its 2 little green headlights facing away from each other at the top of the dash.
And besides, even if your were tarded enough to leave your lights on, they turn off automatically after 15 secs after you lock your car.
And besides, even if your were tarded enough to leave your lights on, they turn off automatically after 15 secs after you lock your car.