Mokos23

The TSX is fun to drive, however, i just noticed now that sometimes the TSX really does need more torque for quicker accelerations when the light turns green. 166lbs torque doesn't cut it sometimes. maybe i should turn off VSA in these situations? Some idiot in a sentra (not se-r) cut me off because she wanted to get to the left lane faster. but, i wanted to show her who's boss, but sportshift mode is too slow? i think i'll leave my car in auto all the time, so that no person trys to get ahead of me and cut me off again from a stop. i got pissed a little and i gave her the nice from outside my window. she looked ordinary to me too.

iamhomin

...huh?

Yes, the TSX is low on torque, but don't blame the torque for being cut by a regular sentra, you probably didn't floor it enough to get the acceleration desired.

And no intention of flaming, but why would you give her the finger when she drove faster to cut you off? It's not like you both were going at the same rate.

Mokos23

i was just pissed cause i had a bad day.

gilboman

if it was a manual regular sentra, the auto tsx prolly wont be able to outaccelerate it from a stop.

dom

STFU Gilbo,

Get me somebody with a manual Sentra and we'll find out.

gilboman

you really think an auto TSX is gonna be faster off the line than a manual sentra?????

let me put it bluntly, an auto TSX is in the low to mid 8 seconds range for 0-60, a manual regular sentra is faster than that. they are in the high 7's

i just didnt want to be so clear to hurt the auto owner's feelings.

but you could take one with ease on the highway (non SE-R and non Spec V's)

dom

Like I said Gilbo, get me an MT Sentra and we'll find out.

Lets find out about an Auto TSX vs an SE-R/V on the highway as well.

gilboman

what's interesting about the sentra is the older regular ones (b4 2002 but same look as the current ones) had

Horsepower 145 hp @ 6,400 rpm
Torque 136 lb.-ft. @ 4800 rpm
2674 lbs

in this form, a manual sentra will take out an auto TSX with ease

but the new regular ones probably wont outaccelerate the auto TSX..so just make sure its a 2002+ regular sentra and you're ok domm.

Horsepower – 126 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque – 129 lb-ft @ 2400 rpm

93Kewl

Perhaps the single-most reason that swayed me away from a TSX (especially when paired with an auto tranny). More torque does make a difference in the situation you explained above. One of the reasons I love my 9-3 is all that low-end torque goodness (232lbs@2500). I never feel a lack of "off the line" or low end grunt power when I need or want it.

For years people harped on HP. I think now more and more people are starting to learn that torque is just as important when you need to "pull off the line". Even VW is pushing this in their latest round of commercials.

gilboman

actually, torque is way more important than hp when pulling off the line. unless you are in the top quarter of the rev range, torque is more important, its what accelerates you. its what you feel and not feel when you stomp on the gas, you feel torque, not hp.

Dan Martin

Gilboman, you should read this thread it will clear up your misconception about torque vs. HP: http://www.acura-tsx.com/forums/show...8954#post28954

dom

A sentence from LeeLee

I can't agree with that, the ignoring tourque part.

Dan Martin

I think what he is trying to say is that crankshaft torque doesn't mean much. More is better but it totally depends on how the car is geared. HP is a function of torque.

Dan Martin

A H1 Hummer's engine with 208HP @ 3800 RPM and 440 ft/lb of torque @ 1900 RPM actually puts down 14,000 ft/lb of torque at the wheels with the help of the geared hubs. Our TSX puts out over 1,000 ft/lbs in first gear at the wheels.

tehCOW

for a four cylinder engine without any forced induction... i'd like to say this engine has a good amount of torque output... but hey, thats just me.

fdl

Exactly. The great thing about HP is that is is a function of torque AND gearing (rpms). HP is king as far as acceleration times. I got into a HUGE argument with someone a while back about this. He just didnt get it.

How much torque do you think an F1 car has? Not a whole hell of alot (relatively speaking).

JRock

I don't care, you can have your high rpm horsepower all day long and I'll take my low rpm function of horsepower (aka torque) since I spend most of my time lower in the rpm range on a daily commute.

dabuda

gilbo luvs to stir things up