CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

Wow...you turned down an STi for the TSX. Nice...

drkangel348

tsx > sti
hahaha you know it
just kidding, I like the STI, but I prefer my TSX.

Belzebutt

According to Car and Driver, I think the stick IS is in the 7s. So it really is just slightly faster than a TSX. When you consider that it's a 3.0l I6 vs a 2.4l I4, in a car that has less legroom and cheaper interior, you can see just how outdated the IS is.

GIBSON6594

Exactly, no way i'm taking a car home when someone who knows my address and has key to my car is lurking around...sorry.

As for going from a STI to a TSX, I am happy I did. On a looks basis, you can't even compare the two, TSX is beautiful compared to STI. Plus I wouldn't be able to drive the STI too long because I wanted to kill myself after looking at that interior for a length of time. As far as performance goes, sure the STI was a rocket, but that gets old after a while and you start getting used to the accerlaration, eventually it doesnt feel as fast. I actually preferred the TSX transmission (6MT). Also, I work in a professional enviroment and the TSX was just so much more classy for me. I am very happy with my decision and never regret my purchase choice.

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

Yup. The TSX is definitely the looker of the two and definitely exudes much more class than the overwraught wing on the STi. And Honda/Acura makes some of the best transmissions available for consumer consumption.

Linner

sorry but are you retarted....numbers prove that is300 is faster. Not trying to but Ive owned a modded Cl-S and and IS300....and a good friend of mine has a modded TSX..

STOCK Lexus IS300 sedan 02
Manual Auto
Standard Engine 3.0L 215 hp I6 3.0L 215 hp I6
Horsepower 215 @ 5800 RPM 215 @ 5800 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 218 @ 3800 RPM 218 @ 3800 RPM
Performance (Man)
0 - 60 Time 7.10 sec
(seconds) 1/4 Mile Time 15.48 sec
(seconds) 1/4 Mile Speed 93.00 mph
(mph) Braking 60 - 0 128 mph (ft.)
mph (ft.)

STOCK TSX 02
5-speed AT 200 hp I4 2L
6-speed 200 hp I4 2.4L
MT 5-speed AT w/ Navigation System 200 hp I4
6-speed MT w/ Navigation System 200 hp I4
Standard Engine 2.4L 200 hp I4 2.4L 200 hp I4 2.4L 200 hp I4
Horsepower 200 @ 6800 RPM 200 @ 6800 RPM 200 @ 6800 RPM 200 @ 6800 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 166 @ 4500 RPM 166 @ 4500 RPM

Acura TSX - I4 2.4L (200 hp) 6M + ABS
0 - 60 Time 8.75
1/4 Mile Time 16.70
1/4 Mile Speed 87.37

Acura TSX - I4 2.4L (200 hp) 5A + ABS
0 - 60 Time 9.69
1/4 Mile Time 17.34
1/4 Mile Speed 84.30
Braking 60 - 0 138

Ive run my 02 is300 e shift close not drastically different like the tsx to those manual numbers through a tuning program....

2. Styling.....
This is a friends IS300 wth the same color and kit I have...you can make an is300 look alot better then a TSX IMO

BlackTSXer

where did you get those numbers from? those are absolute worst times i've ever seen the tsx get.. and yea the tsx comes with a kit too and you can make the tsx look better as well..

dont get me wrong i love both cars and my buddy is about to purchase an IS today, but the IS is not that much faster they are about even and the IS comes out on top when power is needed in the top end where the I6 comes in handy..

Linner

off of msn auto....ive run both me 02 is300 auto stock and my friends tsx with jut an intake with the same tuning program and the numbers were damn close to the numbers off of msn.com. Im not using car and driver # bc these were these easiest to find. I love both cars too dont get me wrong also.....the only kit for the tsx that looks good is the Mugen and that a ridiculous amt of money for a kit.

Linner

I agree with Acura having a better int GAS MILEAGE ect...I owned an modded Cl-S a couple months http://www.mjmautosport.com/cars/cl/index.htm months ago then I got the IS300. But I still think you can make an is300 look better for now......Also you comparing apples to oranges......a new 25k car to a 33k car

Linner

TSX
Length (in.) 183.30
IS300
Length (in.) 176.60

The is300 is only 6 inches shorter.....thats nothing, i dunno about the leg room, but i can care less about that bc i rather not have people in the back of my car.....ill agree on the gauges though

cmf

Eat a dick buddy!
I have owned an IS, and regardless of what numbers you see on the net, the car is not a whole lot quicker, if at all, than a TSX. Think the numbers you have might be off a bit. Don't limit your research to one website! Mine (IS) was modded as well, not to mention I have a few items on my TSX, not like it makes a damn difference though. Point is, the IS is a damn slush box, no matter how you look at it, and unless you are running FI, even with typical I/H/E add ons, it doesn't amount to shit. Styling is played out, and numbers are not where they should be considering it's a 3.0l I6.

darth62

I think there is a little one-sideness in the in the discussion here.

There really isn't any denying that the IS300 is simply the faster car. It has more horsepower, more torque, and (because it is real wheel drive) it probably gets all that power to the ground a lot more efficiently. There is some evidence that the two cars might be closer in terms of acceleration at passing speeds (see Automobile magazine). But, the bottom line is that the IS300 has got the TSX beat in terms of power.

And, frankly, in terms of braking, I think the IS300 absolutely kills the TSX.

Handling probably also gives a SLIGHT advantage to the IS300, although that is more of a RWD vs. FWD thing.

The TSX beats the IS300 in lots of other domains though (comfort, interior refinement, looks, fuel economy, refinement). I didn't like the IS300 at all when I went to see it at the Lexus dealer and I think the size is completely impractical. But, I still think the IS300 is the more sporty vehicle overall.

RMATIC09

Linner get your head out of your ass. Comparing apples to oranges in regards to the TSX vs IS? damm, you stupid

sauceman

Soooo... what's your point?

Just take a look at my times with my bone-stock TSX and tell me the IS is out of TSX's league...

drkangel348

Hell I can even get around 8 seconds 0-60 in my auto TSX.... Those times are way off.

Everyone and their mom knows that the back of IS300's are ugly as well... Hell they are to blame for the Altezza ricer rage.
The TSX looks alot better than the IS300, especially the Mugen TSX.

Looks, quality, and interior goto the TSX...

biker

Junkster wannabe with another good post. :thumsbup:

Linner

Im not trying to put down the tsx or give more props to the is300 since i have one, like i said i owned an acura and loved it...

Linner

the IS was compared in rd tests with the bmw 3 series, an audi and the some other cars....it even beat the bmw i believe, in car and driver, the tsx would never be comared with those cars IMO.....i think that the tl would be more of better comparison then the tsx especially if there was a type s again.....you cant compare the tsx with the is300, they are completely 2 different cars...luxury sports sedan, and luxury sedan.....right???

sauceman

You're gonna get another round of negative rep from me.

If the TSX is a direct competitor of the 3 series, A4 and others, tell me why it wouldn't be direct competition to the IS300? Obviously, you're talking out of your ass, and you're making a fool of yourself.

Go back to your wonderful world of TL's and toads and fairies and quit posting here.

At least SICKLEX recognised the TSX as IS competition.

biker

wow, linner irked the sauceman with that one.

Look at it another way - TSX, 325, A4, IS300, G35, C230 all are the entry level sedans of those makes - of course they are competitors.

RMATIC09

, how can you say the IS is out of TSX league linner. The TSX was matched up against the 3 series, the A4, and in that case, that means the IS like sauceman implied.

the IS dosent have in the least bit significant numbers over the TSX , and the TSX interior blows the IS interior away, so do me a favor, and stfu

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

6 inches is a lot. And the IS has 3 to 4 inches less legroom in the rear than the Corolla. When I test drove several different IS300s, the whole car felt near claustrophobic (and I'm a pretty average height, average build guy). And if you don't car about having people in the back of your car, then why even both looking at sedans?

sauceman

Turns out this guy Linner is a troll that has been using many other accounts (tsxXXX, Abrams, tsxXXX_is_back_bitch, speedracertsx, fasttsx, mlazzaro)that have all been banned successively.

I have just added Linner to the list.

This tells, once a troll, always a troll. And we will find you.

darth62

Well, the above poster may have been a troll. But, I think there is a point there. The TSX is a GREAT car for what it does. It has classy and sporty good looks, a beautiful interior, a sense of overall refinement, and it is very fun to drive. It is a not a fast car, a smooth riding car, and it has average brakes for the class. So what! I'd buy it again.

RMATIC09

sauceman Linner.

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

why do these damn trolls keep coming back?

biker

And quite a few of them have this IS fascination.

sauceman

Probably because the TSX unsettles them.

fast1

...or they are regretting paying at least $5K more for a stupid looking gauge cluster that requires 80% of their attention to figure out what's going on.

biker

sick would definitely disagree with you on that one but he's not here so it's all good.

Seriously, the current IS is plain way over the hill and in every way the new one will be different and probably better.

Belzebutt

I don't get people getting all upset because someone says the TSX is or isn't comparable to another car.

Seems like a harmless thing to say.

sauceman

Don't worry about it. I wouldn't have ever considered banning the guy for what he said in this thread. But you have missed the long and heavy history this has had with mods, and all that despite the chances that have been given to him.

skamdar

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but I think the integrated voice recognition in the TSX makes the whole car a lot cooler. I don't think the IS300 has this feature. What's cooler than a car you can talk to and interact with! And of course, the Acura nav systems are superior to all others.

supraken

iTrader: (1)

I don't think it's that ppl get upset because others bash the TSX, but I think alot of the ppl in the Lexus boards (esp IS boards) need to get their head out of their ass...... they seem to be the ones that can't accept the fact that their cars are inferior to different cars in some ways. Board members here know the inferiority of the TSX, and will not hesitate to admit it..... for many Lexus owners at those boards, they think because it is branded as Lexus, it's the best entry level luxury car, and because you can POTENTIALLY mod it to be fast, it's the best performing sports sedan.... I hate to stereotype, but as much as I loved the IS...these ppl are making the IS seem like a car for snobs to me....just imho

posts like this is just shows it....among with posts that they compare other cars with the IS...
http://www.is300.net/forums/showthre...=230694&page=3

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

I personally have no problems with people pointing out the shortcomings of the TSX because they are there. No car is perfect and there will always be some compromises. What I can't stand is snobby little brats purposely stirring things up on the internet because they're bored or stupid or whatever other excuse they come up with. I'm all for intelligent discussion, but when someone cannot be satisfied with empirical facts, then they are not intelligent enough to be worth my time or anyone elses time on the board.

Belzebutt

By the way, a friend of mine from work gave me a ride in his IS300 recently (he was just about to trade it in for a Toyota Sienna). I saw his car when it was new 3 years ago and I was all impressed, but now it just seemed like a bunch of cheap plastics on the inside, lacking ergonomics, and really cramped back seat (I was sitting in the back). I test-drove the IS300 back when it was new and I was never too impressed with the power or the AT shifter (had a lot of lag).

I used to think this was a cool car (I remember seeing the IS200 in Hong Kong before the IS300 came out in NA and I thought it looked great and wished I could get one) but like the 3-series, this car has just aged a lot since its glory days. And for the IS300, IMO the glory days didn't last all that long.

Belzebutt

PS. I took my C&D November 2004 issue out of the can, and I'm looking at the Road Test Digest in the back. For the 0-60 time:
Acura TSX (10/04): 7.5/15.7 sec
Lexus IS300 (3/04): 7.3/15.5 sec

'nuff said

aaronng

Quote from the IS300.net about the Honda Accord Coupe V6 6MT:

"i testdrove one before i bought my 01 eshift IS ... lets just say it has more power , n is quicker, but everything else went in favor of the IS which is y im driving one..

i wouldnt wanna race one stock tho if the driver knows what hes doing ( i can e-shift fairly well, and if it werent for city driving everyday, id be in the 6 speed honda or a manual IS )"

-End Quote-

Hahahaha!!! EVERYONE can e-shift very well.

sipark

what a

darth62

I'll bet anything that IS300 in that test was a 5AT, whereas the 0-60 for the TSX is a 6MT. Not a very fair comparison....