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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 07:27 PM
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I'm sure this is the wrong place but here's a TSX challenge

I've been looking at cars for months, finally I decided on the TSX. It's an awesome car, almost perfect balance between between a cports car and sedan, pretty much what I want. So, here's my issue.

I can't argue myself out of it. I'm sure itsoundsa little strange but it's hard for me to convince myself of something without being able to argue against it,I guess i just hang out with lawyers too much.
So do me a favor help me out with what's your complaints and grievences are.


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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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My grievances are people that don't use the search feature on forums.

Other than that, I love my TSX.
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 07:48 PM
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Go to the mazda and subaru forums for that.
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 07:51 PM
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Kyle: to be honest with you, I've been trying to find something to argue against the TSX for almost a year now, still haven't found much yet. I mean, it's pretty much a perfect car for the money that you pay. Any car can be improved, but in this case, the TSX has very little negativity.

So, if you haven't been able to find anything, it's probably because nothing's there. Hope to see you in a TSX soon. I know I'm getting myself as soon as I find an excuse to get rid of my Honda Prelude (the darn thing just won't die, what can I do?)
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 07:53 PM
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my opinion...you aren't going to find anything better for the price of a TSX, if you want to spend about 5000 more and get a german alternative it may be better in certain areas, but I hold that the TSX is still a better car than a C230, A4, 325i in many respects. It all depends what you want in a car
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 08:59 PM
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My only beefs are:

1: The RANDOM function on the CD player only plays a single CD's tracks at random. The CD player in my 200SX would jump through all loaded CDs.

2: The mechanical door locks are located right where we like to rest our arms when the windows are down. Luckily I don't like the wind in my face, so I rarely drive w/ my windows down. My friends '98 Jetta has locks in the same place, and 3 out of 4 are busted from throwing arms up on the sill. The TSX is built a bit :wink: better , so I'm not scurred of them breaking, but some bruises might be expected.

3: The fog lamps are halogen, so they don't match the headlights. I don't have the fog lights installed and haven't driven in the fog yet, so I don't personally know how the HID headlights perform under such conditions, but the buzz around here is that the fog lamps don't add a great deal to visability. But fog lights look great on a car, and I thought about installing them just for the look. But if it's just for the cosmetic enhancement, I'd really like them to match my headlights. If I do decide to pick some up, I'm going to look into converting them to matching HID lamps. Someone, somewhere discussed the conversion kit.

4 : Last, and completely least, this one was mentioned in a recent thread, and it's really being a bit picky, the intensity jump on the guage lights from the brightest setting to the next one down is very big. Probably a bigger jump than each for the first 5 or 6 steps together. But oh well, I like that brightest setting for daytime driving.

PS: I can't imagine that things like these were just overlooked in the Acura development labs. I'm curious as to why these things were designed this way. I'm sure that smarter people than me had good reasons. Anyone have any ideas?

The TSX = big phat oprah tits. Best car for the $$ on the market. Just read about it at CarAndDrive, MotorTrend, or ConsumerReports. The only reason that YOU shouldn't get one is that I like not seeing them all over the road. Thanks to Acura for not building enuff!
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 09:09 PM
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Go for a test drive and do a search.

We have numerous amount of threads regarding the individuals driver's experience, so be sure to make coffee before hitting the search button.

Cheers.
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 09:27 PM
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PM Gilbo and 1sicklex...heck just go to any BMW forum...
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 10:43 PM
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I can't find anything that I don't like about my TSX.. It's pure perfection.

...maybe the minor rattles???...
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Old Apr 21, 2005 | 10:57 PM
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the basics, need more torque (personal preference so don't flame), and noisy ride especially when driving on concrete. can feel every single bump. but great handling so you'll grow used to it. and that's all i can think of that i don't like. oh and rattles, but almost all cars will have some sort of rattling.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 04:41 AM
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a)very noisy on certain kinds of concrete
b)less attractive than A4 (exterior) (both old a4 and new 2006 a4)
c)front looks extremely similar to new civic
d)rattles

other than that, 2 years going and i love it

J.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 04:55 AM
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I love my 05 Artic Blue

only cons are my own qwerks,
sun roof does not close or open with key fob yea its jsut extra =P

The lighting guages, make it hard to adjust when driving, and I keep my lights on all day.. so no point of it.

Wish the coins could hold more, I always need them when going into the city for parking.

Could use some lighting at the foot, but already the blue lights awesome.

no rattles for me, it could use better stock tires.. they seem to slip so much, not to mention I just saw another acura 04 he not sure how many miles maybe clost to 50,000 his tires are slicks, even rotated.. but could be his reckless driving...

Overall good buy few qwerks that don't cut it, but what can you expect its close to perfect.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 05:56 AM
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At 4000 miles I am enjoying my 6MT 05 TSX even more than when I bought it.
Sure performance wise it could use a little more grunt off the line but highway and passing performance are great. I have a bit of a squeak with the sunroof when pulling in or out of the driveway.
It really is hard to beat the car when you look at what is included. XM is my favorite option by far.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 06:30 AM
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Just go ahead and buy, you won't be disappointed.

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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 07:06 AM
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The TSX's "flaws" (like anything) are incredibly subjective.
I love my TSX, warts and all. Here are some well-documented imperfections AND fixes.

1. Paint - Honda definitely cut a corner here. It looks great but chips laughably easily, especially the front hood/bumber area.
FIX: Clear bra.

2. Brakes - Another Honda weak spot. The rotors warp or pulsate after a while.
FIX: Better pads and/or rotors.

3. Acura Service - Not up to luxury make standards.
FIX: Other than warranty work, do maintenance and other out-of-pocket stuff at the shop of your choice. Will save you tons of cash, too.

4. Stereo - The speakers are fairly mediocre.
FIX: Replace 'em.

5. Compliments - I get SO tired of people saying genuinely great things about my TSX.
FIX: Learn to live with it.

True, these items cost a few bucks. Even so, it's still a big value and just a blast to drive. Here's another subjective, but in the TSX's favor. The interior. I just love it. It's clean, well-designed, easy to use, sporty and sophisticated all at the same time.

No car in the TSX's price range (and even above) has such a sharp driving environment.



that are more noticeable than they are deal-breakers:
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 10:06 AM
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i see no problems with the tsx except for minor things. but your going to find those on any car you buy so its no big deal at all. I wish it had more torque and maybe Acura should of put in an inline 6 or even V-6, but i still can't complain about the inline 4 because i can beat a mazda6 any day.
What i like about the tsx is that you can drive down the street and it will turn most people's heads. Its a car that you very rarely see on the road and thats what i love about it. I have a milano red tsx with Chrome OEM wheels and its an eye catcher. It's a great car and i would purhcase a TSX over any 325 or 330 BMW.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by captainjack

1. Paint - Honda definitely cut a corner here. It looks great but chips laughably easily, especially the front hood/bumber area.
FIX: Clear bra.
Pardon my potential laziness, but I did a search on the forums for pix of a clear bra to no avail. I figure they're clear, but was just wondering if you can see them at all on the car. Do they need replaced? It sounds like they're about $1k..

- g
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Ol'DoogyDoggy
My only beefs are:

1: The RANDOM function on the CD player only plays a single CD's tracks at random. The CD player in my 200SX would jump through all loaded CDs.

I still dont understand how people can complain about this. Have you noticed how long the changer takes to change CD's? There are things moving around and you are sitting there waiting. If you had to wait this long between every song as it shuffled through 6 cd's that would be pretty crappy.

Maybe the s2K changer is alot faster, but in the TSX I dont think this feature would work very well.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 11:33 AM
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i see no problems with the tsx except for minor things. but your going to find those on any car you buy so its no big deal at all. I wish it had more torque and maybe Acura should of put in an inline 6 or even V-6, but i still can't complain about the inline 4 because i can beat a mazda6 any day.
What i like about the tsx is that you can drive down the street and it will turn most people's heads. Its a car that you very rarely see on the road and thats what i love about it. I have a milano red tsx with Chrome OEM wheels and its an eye catcher. It's a great car and i would purhcase a TSX over any 325 or 330 BMW.
I love the 4 banger in the TSX, it could use a bit more power though. A 6 would add a lot of weight to an already heavy car. The weight distribution might screw with the amazing handeling we get with the TSX.

I would take the TSX over the 325, but I admit if the 330ci was about the same price as the TSX...byebye TSX. It's about 10-15k more though, so hello TSX.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 11:35 AM
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Ok here are my complaints.

1/ Rattles. I dont want to beat a dead horse here. There are numerous noises that come from numerous places in the car in numerous conditions. That being said, its tolerable and with the music up all is well (now that i got my speaker/door panel rattle fixed).

2/ Cheap paint. The paint is thin and cheap and chips easily.

3/ Cheap sound and feel to doors. When I slam the doors it feel like its a 10k civic.

I'm not going to mention power. I mean, you can always have more power. Its adequate, but could be better.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 11:42 AM
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- Brakes (vibration)
- Rattles
- Power
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 12:58 PM
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Pardon my potential laziness, but I did a search on the forums for pix of a clear bra to no avail. I figure they're clear, but was just wondering if you can see them at all on the car. Do they need replaced? It sounds like they're about $1k..

- g
Glacius,

I have had the clear bra on two Acuras now. Yes, you can see them (up close)-- generally, if people notice anything, they notice the "line" across the hood ("hey, how'd you get that scratch?"(many people have asked)). No, they do not need to be replaced--you wash and wax them, treat them like paint. Now, if they save you from a rock, they make take damage, and if it annoys you, you may want to replace. Prices vary based on the kit and coverage. Below are some web sites that you may find useful.

www.rockblocker.com

www.xpel.com

www.stongard.com

Personally, I have the Xpel "extended coverage" kit on my TSX. Good fit and probably the best coverage available. FYI, I would HIGHLY recommend having a professional install this product. PM me if you want more info.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 01:16 PM
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Almost every one of these complaints I'm reading are not just isolated to the TSX. I've had 3 Acura's since '97. The rattles, warped rotor and paint is just part of Acura's need for some quality improvement. I've never experienced bad customer service from my Acura dealership, so it just depends on where you live.

I haven't found much wrong with it yet, but here are some things that annoy me....

1-The gap in brightness night/day in the guage cluster (already mentioned)
2-Where the door locks are positioned. When I go to the ATM, I always accidently lock the car door.
3-Lack of torque and 1-2 "loss of torque" shift in full automatic mode.

Overall it's a great value for the $$$$. I would fully recommend it to anyone that's even considering it.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bowersan
c)front looks extremely similar to new civic

J.
Don't you mean the Civic Concept ???

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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bowersan
a)very noisy on certain kinds of concrete
b)less attractive than A4 (exterior) (both old a4 and new 2006 a4)
c)front looks extremely similar to new civic
d)rattles

other than that, 2 years going and i love it

J.

Back from Asia???
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 01:36 PM
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Nah, still chilling in HK, looking for a summer job.. but it seems likely ill be back in the T-dot next year to get a masters. My tsx has been sitting in my grandparents garage for 9 months now.... and depreciating slowly. Things here are amazing- and today I saw two lambos, 4 ferraris, 3 slk55s, 1 aston db9 and 1 maybach. Life here is so hard! Btw- id trade my tsx for any of these cars anyday.

I forgot to add to my list:
e) cheap paint
f) no memory seat (04 yeah yeah yea)
g) no power passenger seat (see above)
h) base clips out when i set it too high

Hope things are good back home!

J.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bowersan
Nah, still chilling in HK, looking for a summer job.. but it seems likely ill be back in the T-dot next year to get a masters. My tsx has been sitting in my grandparents garage for 9 months now.... and depreciating slowly. Things here are amazing- and today I saw two lambos, 4 ferraris, 3 slk55s, 1 aston db9 and 1 maybach. Life here is so hard! Btw- id trade my tsx for any of these cars anyday.

I forgot to add to my list:
e) cheap paint
f) no memory seat (04 yeah yeah yea)
g) no power passenger seat (see above)
h) base clips out when i set it too high

Hope things are good back home!

J.

Good stuff. Hopefully someone's been taking out the car for you. Good luck in HK.
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Old Apr 22, 2005 | 01:56 PM
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I hate everything about it! I hate the great gas mileage it gets, I hate the way it handles so awesomely. I hate the way the body looks so good. I hate the way it listens to me when I tell it what to do. I hate the way it looks so tight when dropped with rims. I hate the way the seats keep me warm when I am cold. I hate the way the mmonroof makes me feel so good when the sun is shinning through it.

Why did I even buy this thing?
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bowersan
a)very noisy on certain kinds of concrete
b)less attractive than A4 (exterior) (both old a4 and new 2006 a4)
c)front looks extremely similar to new civic
d)rattles

other than that, 2 years going and i love it

J.

Your a Idiot, Audi's are girl cars and look like crap. THey are really high Maintiance and SUCK BALLS
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kyle98
I've been looking at cars for months, finally I decided on the TSX. It's an awesome car, almost perfect balance between between a cports car and sedan, pretty much what I want. So, here's my issue.

I can't argue myself out of it. I'm sure itsoundsa little strange but it's hard for me to convince myself of something without being able to argue against it,I guess i just hang out with lawyers too much.
So do me a favor help me out with what's your complaints and grievences are.


Thanks
Kyle
Well, here goes my list of complaints and grievances:
a) TSX does not get 50 mpg
b) TSX does not do 0-60 in sub 5 seconds time
c) TSX does not handle as well as a go-kart
d) TSX costs typically at least US$25K
e) TSX does not have memory seats, and free nav
f) TSX does not have the styling of the most beautiful car you can think of

But then again, Kyle, try to find a reasonably sporty car that maybe can do
0-60 in 7.5 seconds or less, tops out at at least 130mph, all the while with
the potential of getting 30+ mpg, loaded with *nearly* every amenity
you can think of for a "near-luxury car", looks decent, and costs typically
$25K or a bit more. And offers Acura-level reliability, and quality.

Caint do it, pard.

You can look at BMW 3-series, Audi A-4 (If you can stand to look at their
gaping-mouth-open-grilles soon), Infiniti G35, Volvo S60/V40, Saab 9-3:
but every single one of them is going to make you give part of the above list up, and possibly several parts, and charge you thousands extra for the honor.

It is arguably the most balanced car you can buy. That's why I did.
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Old May 1, 2005 | 08:59 AM
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Your a Idiot, Audi's are girl cars and look like crap. THey are really high Maintiance and SUCK BALLS
Well there's a contrasted opinion.
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Old May 1, 2005 | 12:43 PM
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I still dont understand how people can complain about this. Have you noticed how long the changer takes to change CD's? There are things moving around and you are sitting there waiting. If you had to wait this long between every song as it shuffled through 6 cd's that would be pretty crappy.

Maybe the s2K changer is alot faster, but in the TSX I dont think this feature would work very well.
In my old Jetta, the CD changer would randomly play 3-4 songs form a disk, then change CD and repeat the process until all of the 6 CDs have been played. I always thought that this was a better solution/compromise...

J-F
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Old May 1, 2005 | 01:33 PM
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The TSX is my wife's car but we commute to the same location so I share driving. After you drive the car a while you can see clearly why it wins a place on the C&D 10 Best list.
Having said that, here are reasons not to buy this car, FWIW:
1. Although the car is equipped to protect exceptionally well in a catastrophic crash, it has very week bumper protection. If you're parallel parked and someone backs into you, or if you get hit lightly in the rear, the resulting damage is likely to be significant, rating fair to poor according to insurance industry tests. That is probably one reason why it costs a little more to insure this car than it does an Accord. Call your insurance agent and get an estimate before you make the final decision.
2. There car is susceptible to door dings. There is no plastic strip to protect if someone opens a door into you.
3. It's a sports car ride. The handling is set up to give you good control at speed. The trade off is a rougher ride in ordinary traffic if the road surface is rough. I personally like that sort of ride rather than the Buick float, but some people might fuss about that. The stiff ride makes it more likely that you'll hear some rattles that some people on this board mention. We have not heard any rattles so far, but the car is fairly young still.
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Old May 1, 2005 | 07:42 PM
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"In my old Jetta, the CD changer would randomly play 3-4 songs "

Playing songs from multiple CD's randomly would add a lot of wear and tear to the changer mechanism.

2. There car is susceptible to door dings
What car is not susceptible to them?

g) no power passenger seat (see above)
but it allows you to add an amp under the seat which also solves your issue h)
h) base clips out when i set it too high
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Old May 1, 2005 | 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Elephantman_nosefacehead
"In my old Jetta, the CD changer would randomly play 3-4 songs "

Playing songs from multiple CD's randomly would add a lot of wear and tear to the changer mechanism.
Maybe but it would actually be usefull to be able to have more than one CD in there. Right now I think that there is no point in putting 6 CDs in if you cannot randomly play them.

J-F
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Old May 1, 2005 | 09:22 PM
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Maybe but it would actually be usefull to be able to have more than one CD in there. Right now I think that there is no point in putting 6 CDs in if you cannot randomly play them.

J-F
Have you never driven more than an hour in your car? I find it really nice on road trips.
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Old May 1, 2005 | 10:15 PM
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Very little torque, nothing compared to my previous Jetta. Generally, sometimes I wish I had gone upwards of 200 hp since it feels a little slow sometimes, but other than that its a beautiful car, that rides nice.!!
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Old May 1, 2005 | 10:42 PM
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In addition to the already mentioned complaints my gripe is the wide Turning Circle
TSX 40'
TL 39.7'
Odyssey 36.7'
A4 36.4'
3 Series 36.1'
Accord 35.4'
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Old May 2, 2005 | 01:25 AM
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Other than the fact that it isn't a beast of an egine (i.e. Subaru Sti/Lancer Evo) it's an amazing car
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Old May 2, 2005 | 05:19 AM
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Still the tsx is awesome on the inside as to a subaru THUMBS DOWN!

You can also purchase those door things, and insurance is depedning on state and age mainly its not too bad for a new car.

So far in my 05 no rattles, so far 4000 miles.
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