05_TSX_GP

In general, maybe leasing a hybrid can avoid to battery replacement cost down the road

Hybrids are cool indeed... my co-worker is on to his 2nd Toyota hybrid. First was the Pryus now it's the Highlander. That's a pretty damn nice small SUV with fuel consumption rate even less than the TSX

DaveWhyman

That's too bad, the smart runs about 70 mpg and probably has emissions comparable to a hybrig due to the tiny engine.

sauceman

I'm buying the Smart this fall, and when the TSX is offered in Hybrid, I'll be all over that too.

Gas hit $1.139/L today. Uncool.

Powered by Honda

DAM BUSH!!! Dam him for making a TSXer make a difficult decision. Making us pay for the war!!!! Even tho he clearly controls the oil now.

Dammit! Why must it be 99cents for regular in Canada per liter. Gas should only go up in America so they can pay for the war. Why must bush make the prices national and hide his obvious scam.

Dammit!!! Take this:

corey415

Well, the CA DMV is only going to issue 75,000 permits. There are already 60,000 hybrids registered in CA.

itrhybrid

iTrader: (1)

Why are they only issuing 75K permits?

Howard911s

not 75K miles permit.. its only permit for 75K cars.........., and even at that number, i can already see carpool lane clogged up on my morning commute to downtown LA. ha! ill still beat those hybrid in carpool lane

Howard911s

just in case i misunderstood you.. they are only giving 75K permit or else it would negate the purpose of carpool lane.. it would just be a parking lot everywhere...

itrhybrid

iTrader: (1)

That was my concern in my previous post. Everyone jumping on the bandwagon and negating the advantage of the CP lane.

Personally if you're looking to save money that much, buy a much cheaper used civic which already get's 30-40 mpg and toss a SAFC or VAFC on there and gain another 5-10% in MPG.

My old 95 Civic with a type R swap and VAFC got consistent 32-35 MPG. That was with me running it out a LOT too.

James

jmf

Get the Lexus 330h.

Howard911s

dont get anything else, just concentrate on paying the car off and be without car note, then you will save money, jumping from car 2 car will only drain all money you made

moda_way

Civic Hybrid MSRP = $20,415
Civic Sedan MSRP = $13,260
TSX Sedan MSRP = $27,805

60 payment, 5% interest

Civic Hybrid Monthly = $385.26 * 12 = $4623.12
Civic Sedan Monthly = $259.95 * 12 = $3119.40
TSX Monthly = $524.71 * 12 = $6296.52

Differential of a TSX vs Hybrid Civic in 1 yr = $1673.4 (Hybrid is cheaper)
Differential of a Civic vs Hybrid in 1 yr = $1503.72 (Civic non-Hybrid Savings)
Differential of a TSX vs Civic Sedan in 1 yr = $3177.12 (Civic Sedan savings)

Smoke that!!! If you want to save money, but the lowest model Civic and forget about gas prices. You'll save more by buying a basic Civic with cash in hand for the next 5 years. Tax credits go away.

*All data is from the Acura and Honda Finance calculators.

moda_way

Additionally, when 87 was at $2.40/gallon, 93 was more like $2.60. Assuming the price diff. is $.10 per grade like it is around me, I would see a savings of only $840 per year in my area.

DEVO

A civic hybrid is closer to a civic EX (in options) than to a bottom of the line civic. Do some research and you will see that to be true. So redo your calculations.

DEVO

Ok... last I checked the price per gallon keeps going up. I took an average price per gallon in my $2.70. Where I live it's at 2.75.

Black_6spd

Hmmmm. At the rate this poll is going, I might find myself driving a hatchcrap with a stolen ITR motor....

moda_way

True but if you look at my post, I said you'd be better off getting a less expensive car, mentioned nothing about equivalent in features. Is this about saving money or what??

BTW, I'm all for hybrids... they have their place for sure.

FYI, my wife's Civic EX can easily get into the mid-30s per gallon and I've had it loaded down on a trip over flat terrain and got 40 mpg. Anyway you look at it, the savings for a Hybrid aren't all they're cracked up to be... good, but not everything and probably not worth the switch.

DaveWhyman

You probably need to see gas prices in the $3.50 range to see some true hard savings of a hybrid, not just a few pennies here, few pennies there.

I think the Prius gets slightly better mileage than the Civic Hybrid, but costs a few $k more. It has available Navi though. The payoff might come slightly sooner with the Prius.

The biggest fuel savings though come not from better fuel savings but from lifestyle, and social change. Consider that most people in the US commute about 22 Miles per day to work and that probably 50% of your car useage is spent commuting. What if everybody were to live 2 miles closer to work... That's 18% fewer car miles, and translates into direct energy and infrastructure savings. Plus, if you consider that this is just the average and that some people might move to within walking distance of their work you'll have less tangible savings from the health benefits of fatties losing a few pounds.

ssmtsx

Here in VA we have the "HOV Restriction" for all hybrids, including the 400H and Escape Hybrid. The hybrid owner must apply for "Clean Fuel" plates from the DMV first. If you drive on I-95 at rush hour, every other car in the HOV lane is a hybrid. They're causing such a back-up that they're actually considering removing the restriction. It's actually why there is such a long wait for hybrids in our area.

L1StarTSX

ILoveMyHonda

wow can we ressurect an older thread please

Mokos23

Rise from your grave!

Trackruner228

iTrader: (1)

Get a regular Civic and put a hybrid badge on it. Save some money and you can drive in that lane.

jesuswalks

Get the camry hybrid because not every zit-poping teen has it. (this is the 1st time i have told anyone to buy a toyota product...) Im not that big of a fan of toyota. I think its just all hype and no soul.....