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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Tishkevich
Meh.. you also gotta remember that no one reacts to car alarms these days. So it could have been going off and he sitting in it, and people walking by saw no broken glass.. so assumed he just had a car with a shitty alarm that acts up.
I highly doubt any thief would sit in the car with the alarm going nuts, even if there's no glass on the floor. It draws too much attention, and people will see the thief digging through the compartments. I'm not saying its not possible, it is, but its not likely a thief would chance it and stay.
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 07:46 PM
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Just a fyi.

I had my car broken into about a year ago. The stock alarm does not sound on window breakage, nor does it have a tilt sensor.
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by hcshao
Just a fyi.

I had my car broken into about a year ago. The stock alarm does not sound on window breakage, nor does it have a tilt sensor.
I'm sorry about your lost. Did your windows get broken when your car got broken into? They broke into my car w/o force entry, which makes me a little confused on this matter.

Also where are you from? A lot of posts I found were mostly from SF Bay Area. Luckily I'm back at LA. Haven't heard of things happening here that are no force.
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 08:48 PM
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Just tell your parents to buy you another TSX, this ones broken
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 09:15 PM
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just tell your parents to buy you another tsx, this ones broken
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Old Oct 4, 2010 | 10:26 PM
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I think it's just the SF Bay Area... a place where TSXs get broken into more. We're poorer up here. Just look at South Central Oakland.
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 09:52 AM
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Just read that thread about break in with interest on Town Hall forums.

It seems someone is using a master key, however the alarm should go off since there is no immobilizer chip on the master key, meaning that they can gain entry to the vehicle but cannot start it to drive it off.
My old Dodge Nitro ( POS Chrysler ), if you locked the car with remote then tried to use the key to open the door the alarm would go off. Doesnt appear to be the case with our Acuras?
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by limeybstrd
Just read that thread about break in with interest on Town Hall forums.

It seems someone is using a master key, however the alarm should go off since there is no immobilizer chip on the master key, meaning that they can gain entry to the vehicle but cannot start it to drive it off.
My old Dodge Nitro ( POS Chrysler ), if you locked the car with remote then tried to use the key to open the door the alarm would go off. Doesnt appear to be the case with our Acuras?
The immobilizer has nothing to do with the alarm. It just prevents the car from starting. You can open the door and turn the ignition to power the car but the engine won't start unless you know both the "brake code" and how to make use of the "brake code".
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lightjak_tsx
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Originally Posted by TSXKid2010
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Originally Posted by MrOtocinclus
I think it's just the SF Bay Area... a place where TSXs get broken into more. We're poorer up here. Just look at South Central Oakland.
I doubt majority of break ins are because people up in the Bay Area are poor. People do it not for wealth sometimes, but rather for the thrill of it.
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 06:28 PM
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another way they can get in is by pumping an airbag between the door frame and door to unlock the car. road side service use this technique. the only damage you will see using this technique is that your door might distort slightly therefore your door will not sit flush and protrude a little.

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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 06:56 PM
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My car got broken into with no indications of any forced entry back in April on Gough st, SF... Lost ~1500$ worth of shit. Full system (minus speakers in doors), two pairs of designer glasses, ipod, shoes, etc.. just took the loss and moved on since insurance doesn't cover.
I also listen for the beep before I walk away from the car. The only logical reasoning for me anyway, is that I could ahve possible clicked the unlock button when putting the keys back in my pockets... but even then, I thought the car automatically locks after a few minutes if you don't open it after unlocking?
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Old Oct 5, 2010 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wong05tsx
but even then, I thought the car automatically locks after a few minutes if you don't open it after unlocking?
Yup, it sure does. ~30 secs if door not opened.
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Old Oct 6, 2010 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by black label
The immobilizer has nothing to do with the alarm. It just prevents the car from starting. You can open the door and turn the ignition to power the car but the engine won't start unless you know both the "brake code" and how to make use of the "brake code".
Thats interesting. Since the key that I used to use to unlock the door with activated the alarm system. The only difference between the keys was that one had a chip inside of it and the other one didnt.
The one with no chip was the lock for my fuel filler on my old dodge nitro. I could open the car doors but if the alarm was activated then the siren would go off if memory serves me correctly.
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Old Oct 6, 2010 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by limeybstrd
Thats interesting. Since the key that I used to use to unlock the door with activated the alarm system. The only difference between the keys was that one had a chip inside of it and the other one didnt.
The one with no chip was the lock for my fuel filler on my old dodge nitro. I could open the car doors but if the alarm was activated then the siren would go off if memory serves me correctly.
I'm not sure about Dodge, but I think Acuras/Hondas does not have that feature. Another way that thieves can get into cars without force entry is by using some sort of jigglers. I think that was how they got into my car a couple of years ago without activating the factory alarm.
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 01:42 AM
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I read that edmunds townhall thread years ago before i drove out to SF to visit friends. From the sounds of it, I think there is a crooked acura employee out in the area with a master key or a copy of it. The stock alarm is fairly simple in that all is needed to disable it is a negetive ground pulse on the key lock cylinder meaning turning the key in the cylinder grounds it to turn it on/off. Imobilizer has nothing to do with the security system. So someone running around with an unchipped master key can open and disable the alarm but cant drive off with the car. I know this because i installed a clifford intelligaurd on my 07 and it controls the stock alarm by pulsing neg to the lock/unlock side of the key cylinder. Double pulsing on it opens/closes the windows.

Even pressing the unlock button on the drivers door will even disable the alarm because the alarm multiplex is located in the window switch assembly.
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Old Oct 7, 2010 | 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ck123
another way they can get in is by pumping an airbag between the door frame and door to unlock the car. road side service use this technique. the only damage you will see using this technique is that your door might distort slightly therefore your door will not sit flush and protrude a little.
Interesting, I never heard of this technique before. It doesn't seem like my door frame is distorted or anything. This technique will trigger the alarm I believe, because you are not unlocking it with the key. I personally think the thieves wouldn't have enough time to do this in a public area with people walking around. Thanks for the heads up on this info though.

Originally Posted by wong05tsx
My car got broken into with no indications of any forced entry back in April on Gough st, SF... Lost ~1500$ worth of shit. Full system (minus speakers in doors), two pairs of designer glasses, ipod, shoes, etc.. just took the loss and moved on since insurance doesn't cover.
I also listen for the beep before I walk away from the car. The only logical reasoning for me anyway, is that I could ahve possible clicked the unlock button when putting the keys back in my pockets... but even then, I thought the car automatically locks after a few minutes if you don't open it after unlocking?
Damn, I'm sorry for your lost. Yeah, if you click unlock by mistake or it happens to click in your pocket; the car locks itself in 30 seconds if the door is not opened. You wouldn't have to worry about the unlocking by itself thing. Yeah, the insurance doesn't cover this crap, and if you report it, there isn't really anything the police can do. We aren't the only ones that got targeted in the SF Bay Area.

On a side note: I love the way you set up your car (in terms of mods). I seen your car before and after your parting out.

Originally Posted by ABP1TSX
I read that edmunds townhall thread years ago before i drove out to SF to visit friends. From the sounds of it, I think there is a crooked acura employee out in the area with a master key or a copy of it. The stock alarm is fairly simple in that all is needed to disable it is a negetive ground pulse on the key lock cylinder meaning turning the key in the cylinder grounds it to turn it on/off. Imobilizer has nothing to do with the security system. So someone running around with an unchipped master key can open and disable the alarm but cant drive off with the car. I know this because i installed a clifford intelligaurd on my 07 and it controls the stock alarm by pulsing neg to the lock/unlock side of the key cylinder. Double pulsing on it opens/closes the windows.

Even pressing the unlock button on the drivers door will even disable the alarm because the alarm multiplex is located in the window switch assembly.
Yeah, I like to believe there's an Acura or Honda crooked employee, but I also believe its not just one. It might be a ring of people. If you do a lot of research into this; it shows a lot of people getting the same problem, which is no force entry, only front compartment been open, car was locked before leaving the car and coming back to the car, and in SF Bay Area. Its not just Acuras too. I saw a few posts of Audis also.

We do not have enough people complaining for Acura to do stuff. Only advice I found to prevent this was don't leave stuff in your car, and upgrade the security. I still find the aftermarket ones to be quite useless if the thieves are professionals. Some thieves have random generating alarm codes thing? I don't know what its called. It might just randomly get your aftermarket (unlock/lock) signal.
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Old Oct 8, 2010 | 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ck123
another way they can get in is by pumping an airbag between the door frame and door to unlock the car. road side service use this technique. the only damage you will see using this technique is that your door might distort slightly therefore your door will not sit flush and protrude a little.
Originally Posted by HondaOnWORKS
Interesting, I never heard of this technique before. It doesn't seem like my door frame is distorted or anything. This technique will trigger the alarm I believe, because you are not unlocking it with the key. I personally think the thieves wouldn't have enough time to do this in a public area with people walking around. Thanks for the heads up on this info though.
You gotta lay off the it's effecting your memory. This was on the first page.

Originally Posted by black label
I have never done this maliciously nor have I done it in the act of committing a crime. I have only done this to help those who are locked out of their car, but I could get your TSX open without any signs of forced entry and it wouldn't involve any computer science.

Have you ever heard of a sphygmomanometer? Yes, it's a real word. Basically, it's the device (the inflatable cuff that squeezes your arm) your Dr. uses to check your blood pressure. This is essentially what the modern slimjim is designed after. You carefully wedge the top rear corner of the door and slide the un-inflated airbag in then pump it up to create an opening between the door and the body of the car. You then reach in with a hook or rod to either push the unlock button or flip the lock switch itself.

Done properly, there will be no signs of forced entry. Occams Razor, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 04:38 PM
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You gotta lay off the it's effecting your memory. This was on the first page.
Hahah! Naw, no drugs here. Just alcohol, party after party.
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