C&D TSX comparison? ATTN zircon
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C&D TSX comparison? ATTN zircon
In that ridiculous "TSX ranks last" thread zircon mentions a Car and Driver comparison between the BMW 325, TSX, IS300, and Grand Prix GTP.
Does such a thing really exist? Was he confused? Or bsing?
Does such a thing really exist? Was he confused? Or bsing?
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Originally posted by domn
I have the October issue and everyone before that and I don't see such a comparison?
I have the October issue and everyone before that and I don't see such a comparison?
Well I don't know what the hell he was talking about then. Here is exactly what he posted in page 3 of that other thread...
"The best comparo of these cars was in Car and Driver. Your beloved BMW was never worse than 2nd of 4 cars tested (TSX, IS300, Grand Prix GTP) in any of the 5-6 categories, and was 1st twice. Acura was 1st twice also, but was last in acceleration and braking (the car's only flaw). Let's leave it at this and all go out and drive our cars..."
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I wondered about what the hell he was talking about too. But lets face it, if there was a comparo that tested the TSX vs BMW vs Grand Prix vs IS300 it would have been posted here.
I think he was still referring to the Automobile comparo though from what I can muster?
I think he was still referring to the Automobile comparo though from what I can muster?
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Originally posted by wishiwere
Maybe he was talking about a comparo that had the TL, not the tsx?
Maybe he was talking about a comparo that had the TL, not the tsx?
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Originally posted by fdl
Was there even a comparo like that with the TL? I thought the TL was in a different class!
Was there even a comparo like that with the TL? I thought the TL was in a different class!
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Originally posted by wishiwere
I'm not sure about a comparison with the grand prix, but I know C&D has done at least 2 comparisons in the past that had the TL and the 3-series (and usually the A4, IS300, etc.). I believe the premise of hte comparisons were usually "entry-level luxury sedan shootout" or something to that effect. And, in these comparisons, they actually did a very admirable job of explicitly describing all the criteria and the methods and scales used to judge the cars, and the final rankings were just the sum total of the scores in all the individual categories. I believe in one of the comparisons, teh bmw came out on top of just about every performance category, but the tl won because the price differential was so great. Then, the next time they did it, the bmw came out on top, even with the price being taken into account.
I'm not sure about a comparison with the grand prix, but I know C&D has done at least 2 comparisons in the past that had the TL and the 3-series (and usually the A4, IS300, etc.). I believe the premise of hte comparisons were usually "entry-level luxury sedan shootout" or something to that effect. And, in these comparisons, they actually did a very admirable job of explicitly describing all the criteria and the methods and scales used to judge the cars, and the final rankings were just the sum total of the scores in all the individual categories. I believe in one of the comparisons, teh bmw came out on top of just about every performance category, but the tl won because the price differential was so great. Then, the next time they did it, the bmw came out on top, even with the price being taken into account.
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Originally posted by fdl
I remember seeing a CL-type S vs 330 comparo once. But anyways...the point is there is no TSX comparo by C&D yet
But hopefully there will be one soon. I'm also looking forward to edmunds long term update. I want to see if they mention rattles.
I remember seeing a CL-type S vs 330 comparo once. But anyways...the point is there is no TSX comparo by C&D yet
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and http://edmunds.com/reviews/compariso...8/article.html
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It wasn't a comparison, Car and Driver showed the TSX's test numbers in comparison with the 3 series (325i), IS 300, etc, in their July issue full road test. It did well, bested in acceleration (by a hair's width) and on the skidpad (also within a hair's width) by the BMW (its fractionally better performance numbers in these two categories comes at a steep price, of course). Nothing fishy. Good article and another ringing endorsement of the TSX. Get lost, Wishewere trollman.
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Originally posted by fdl
I remember seeing a CL-type S vs 330 comparo once. But anyways...the point is there is no TSX comparo by C&D yet
But hopefully there will be one soon. I'm also looking forward to edmunds long term update. I want to see if they mention rattles.
I remember seeing a CL-type S vs 330 comparo once. But anyways...the point is there is no TSX comparo by C&D yet
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Originally posted by tsx-mdxman
It wasn't a comparison, Car and Driver showed the TSX's test numbers in comparison with the 3 series (325i), IS 300, etc, in their July issue full road test. It did well, bested in acceleration (by a hair's width) and on the skidpad (also within a hair's width) by the BMW (its fractionally better performance numbers in these two categories comes at a steep price, of course). Nothing fishy. Good article and another ringing endorsement of the TSX. Get lost, Wishewere trollman.
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It wasn't a comparison, Car and Driver showed the TSX's test numbers in comparison with the 3 series (325i), IS 300, etc, in their July issue full road test. It did well, bested in acceleration (by a hair's width) and on the skidpad (also within a hair's width) by the BMW (its fractionally better performance numbers in these two categories comes at a steep price, of course). Nothing fishy. Good article and another ringing endorsement of the TSX. Get lost, Wishewere trollman.
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Originally posted by tsx-mdxman
It wasn't a comparison, Car and Driver showed the TSX's test numbers in comparison with the 3 series (325i), IS 300, etc, in their July issue full road test. It did well, bested in acceleration (by a hair's width) and on the skidpad (also within a hair's width) by the BMW (its fractionally better performance numbers in these two categories comes at a steep price, of course). Nothing fishy. Good article and another ringing endorsement of the TSX. Get lost, Wishewere trollman.
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It wasn't a comparison, Car and Driver showed the TSX's test numbers in comparison with the 3 series (325i), IS 300, etc, in their July issue full road test. It did well, bested in acceleration (by a hair's width) and on the skidpad (also within a hair's width) by the BMW (its fractionally better performance numbers in these two categories comes at a steep price, of course). Nothing fishy. Good article and another ringing endorsement of the TSX. Get lost, Wishewere trollman.
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I've got what there talking about in front of me, page 81 July Car and Driver . . .
Just FYI, Rankings were as follows:
Current Base Brice:
1. Acura TSX
2. Grand Prix GTP Comp
3. BMW 325i
4. Lexus IS300
Acceleration:
1. Grand Prix
2. IS300
3. BMW
4. TSX
Braking:
1. 3251
2. IS300
3. Grand Prix
4. TSX
Roadhandling:
1. 325i
2. TSX
3. Grand Prix
4. IS300
Fuel Economy:
1. TSX
2. 325i
3. IS300
4. Grand Prix
Just FYI, Rankings were as follows:
Current Base Brice:
1. Acura TSX
2. Grand Prix GTP Comp
3. BMW 325i
4. Lexus IS300
Acceleration:
1. Grand Prix
2. IS300
3. BMW
4. TSX
Braking:
1. 3251
2. IS300
3. Grand Prix
4. TSX
Roadhandling:
1. 325i
2. TSX
3. Grand Prix
4. IS300
Fuel Economy:
1. TSX
2. 325i
3. IS300
4. Grand Prix
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Originally posted by Ozzman
I've got what there talking about in front of me, page 81 July Car and Driver . . .
Just FYI, Rankings were as follows:
Current Base Brice:
1. Acura TSX
2. Grand Prix GTP Comp
3. BMW 325i
4. Lexus IS300
Acceleration:
1. Grand Prix
2. IS300
3. BMW
4. TSX
Braking:
1. 3251
2. IS300
3. Grand Prix
4. TSX
Roadhandling:
1. 325i
2. TSX
3. Grand Prix
4. IS300
Fuel Economy:
1. TSX
2. 325i
3. IS300
4. Grand Prix
I've got what there talking about in front of me, page 81 July Car and Driver . . .
Just FYI, Rankings were as follows:
Current Base Brice:
1. Acura TSX
2. Grand Prix GTP Comp
3. BMW 325i
4. Lexus IS300
Acceleration:
1. Grand Prix
2. IS300
3. BMW
4. TSX
Braking:
1. 3251
2. IS300
3. Grand Prix
4. TSX
Roadhandling:
1. 325i
2. TSX
3. Grand Prix
4. IS300
Fuel Economy:
1. TSX
2. 325i
3. IS300
4. Grand Prix
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is that roadholding figure just the skidpad G figure? I'm really starting to wonder why most car comparos don't use the slalom speed...seems a better judge of handling to me. What i'm getting at is I don't think the pontiac can "outhandle" an is300....
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That IS 300 has 16" tires, which damn near no IS has. Not sure why Lexus sent them one with 16s. The IS has gotten great reviews from C&D.
The TL-S has never come close to winning any comparison with these sport sedans. The TSX is a better handler and cheaper but slower, it should stack up well.
The TL-S has never come close to winning any comparison with these sport sedans. The TSX is a better handler and cheaper but slower, it should stack up well.
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Originally posted by TinkySD
is that roadholding figure just the skidpad G figure? I'm really starting to wonder why most car comparos don't use the slalom speed...seems a better judge of handling to me. What i'm getting at is I don't think the pontiac can "outhandle" an is300....
is that roadholding figure just the skidpad G figure? I'm really starting to wonder why most car comparos don't use the slalom speed...seems a better judge of handling to me. What i'm getting at is I don't think the pontiac can "outhandle" an is300....
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