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02-24-2004, 08:16 PM
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Stoptech's Aero Rotors have better cooling techniques than the rotors that come in Brembo's Gran Turismo Big Brake Kits. On top of that ALL Stoptech kits are designed to maintain the EXACT SAME BALANCE as stock while still providing for much much better braking than stock.
I hate to sound like a Stoptech salesperson but I once had a chance to drive a 3G Eclipse with Stoptech's and the brakes were FREAKIN' AMAZING! Soooo much better than my Baer Track Kit.
I hate to sound like a Stoptech salesperson but I once had a chance to drive a 3G Eclipse with Stoptech's and the brakes were FREAKIN' AMAZING! Soooo much better than my Baer Track Kit.
02-24-2004, 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by Nighthawk04
Stoptech's Aero Rotors have better cooling techniques than the rotors that come in Brembo's Gran Turismo Big Brake Kits. On top of that ALL Stoptech kits are designed to maintain the EXACT SAME BALANCE as stock while still providing for much much better braking than stock.
I hate to sound like a Stoptech salesperson but I once had a chance to drive a 3G Eclipse with Stoptech's and the brakes were FREAKIN' AMAZING! Soooo much better than my Baer Track Kit.
Stoptech's Aero Rotors have better cooling techniques than the rotors that come in Brembo's Gran Turismo Big Brake Kits. On top of that ALL Stoptech kits are designed to maintain the EXACT SAME BALANCE as stock while still providing for much much better braking than stock.
I hate to sound like a Stoptech salesperson but I once had a chance to drive a 3G Eclipse with Stoptech's and the brakes were FREAKIN' AMAZING! Soooo much better than my Baer Track Kit.
02-25-2004, 10:13 AM
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so, stoptech are the way to go?
just curious though...if there so much better, howcome they arent on any high performance cars like the brembos?.....just curious, not trying to be a smartass or anything.
just curious though...if there so much better, howcome they arent on any high performance cars like the brembos?.....just curious, not trying to be a smartass or anything.
02-25-2004, 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by 21_in_az
so, stoptech are the way to go?
just curious though...if there so much better, howcome they arent on any high performance cars like the brembos?.....just curious, not trying to be a smartass or anything.
so, stoptech are the way to go?
just curious though...if there so much better, howcome they arent on any high performance cars like the brembos?.....just curious, not trying to be a smartass or anything.
02-25-2004, 12:03 PM
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understandable......but, now i think less of porsche and ferrari for not useing the best!
if i pay $100k or more for a car, i want the best of everything!
just my $0.02.
if i pay $100k or more for a car, i want the best of everything!
just my $0.02.
02-25-2004, 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by 21_in_az
so, stoptech are the way to go?
just curious though...if there so much better, howcome they arent on any high performance cars like the brembos?.....just curious, not trying to be a smartass or anything.
so, stoptech are the way to go?
just curious though...if there so much better, howcome they arent on any high performance cars like the brembos?.....just curious, not trying to be a smartass or anything.
02-25-2004, 03:38 PM
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any reliable evidence?!
wow...i've learned so much useful info on brakes from this thread
but the thing is...people keep saying that Stoptech outperforms Brembo, any solid evidence/data that can prove this statement? so far the only place i can find is the Stoptech website...
i am not saying that i don't believe in you guys, just need some more solid evidence
thanks guys
but the thing is...people keep saying that Stoptech outperforms Brembo, any solid evidence/data that can prove this statement? so far the only place i can find is the Stoptech website...
i am not saying that i don't believe in you guys, just need some more solid evidence
thanks guys
02-25-2004, 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by 21_in_az
understandable......but, now i think less of porsche and ferrari for not useing the best!
if i pay $100k or more for a car, i want the best of everything!
just my $0.02.
understandable......but, now i think less of porsche and ferrari for not useing the best!
if i pay $100k or more for a car, i want the best of everything!
just my $0.02.
02-25-2004, 04:24 PM
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In support of Dan's statement about marketing, the reason Brembos are so popular is because you see their logo on the sides of tons of race cars. They sponsor a lot of race cars and when people see the logo on the side of a race car, they think that it has to be good, not realizing that Brembo probably donated the brake system. Stop-tech should start doing the same thing to build their reputation in the racing community.
As for Porsche and Ferrari, they do indeed develop their own brake systems. Personally, I'd like a set of PCCB's (that's Porsche Carbon-Ceramic Brakes). That should make the TSX stop on a dime.
As for Porsche and Ferrari, they do indeed develop their own brake systems. Personally, I'd like a set of PCCB's (that's Porsche Carbon-Ceramic Brakes). That should make the TSX stop on a dime.
02-25-2004, 04:30 PM
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i was thinking about something here........if great brakes were put onto the tsx, it would be because it needed it.
the tl got brembos, the tsx got whatever it got.
the tl is faster, and therefore needs better braking capability...where as the tsx is slower, and doesnt need as good of brakes as the tl.
so, in theory, we dont need brakes untill we get more horsepower and torque.
im sure someone will get all mad at me for saying that, but, again this is just my IMO!
the tl got brembos, the tsx got whatever it got.
the tl is faster, and therefore needs better braking capability...where as the tsx is slower, and doesnt need as good of brakes as the tl.
so, in theory, we dont need brakes untill we get more horsepower and torque.
im sure someone will get all mad at me for saying that, but, again this is just my IMO!
02-25-2004, 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by 21_in_az
i was thinking about something here........if great brakes were put onto the tsx, it would be because it needed it.
the tl got brembos, the tsx got whatever it got.
the tl is faster, and therefore needs better braking capability...where as the tsx is slower, and doesnt need as good of brakes as the tl.
so, in theory, we dont need brakes untill we get more horsepower and torque.
im sure someone will get all mad at me for saying that, but, again this is just my IMO!
i was thinking about something here........if great brakes were put onto the tsx, it would be because it needed it.
the tl got brembos, the tsx got whatever it got.
the tl is faster, and therefore needs better braking capability...where as the tsx is slower, and doesnt need as good of brakes as the tl.
so, in theory, we dont need brakes untill we get more horsepower and torque.
im sure someone will get all mad at me for saying that, but, again this is just my IMO!
jus kidding, i kind of agree. but i still wish i had some big brakes on my ride. they look cool.
02-25-2004, 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by JiggaMan
how Dare you say that!!!!!
jus kidding, i kind of agree. but i still wish i had some big brakes on my ride. they look cool.
how Dare you say that!!!!!
jus kidding, i kind of agree. but i still wish i had some big brakes on my ride. they look cool.
02-25-2004, 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by 21_in_az
i was thinking about something here........if great brakes were put onto the tsx, it would be because it needed it.
the tl got brembos, the tsx got whatever it got.
the tl is faster, and therefore needs better braking capability...where as the tsx is slower, and doesnt need as good of brakes as the tl.
so, in theory, we dont need brakes untill we get more horsepower and torque.
im sure someone will get all mad at me for saying that, but, again this is just my IMO!
i was thinking about something here........if great brakes were put onto the tsx, it would be because it needed it.
the tl got brembos, the tsx got whatever it got.
the tl is faster, and therefore needs better braking capability...where as the tsx is slower, and doesnt need as good of brakes as the tl.
so, in theory, we dont need brakes untill we get more horsepower and torque.
im sure someone will get all mad at me for saying that, but, again this is just my IMO!
If I were to be on a road course with an Eclipse with the same suspension, same engine w/ minor mods, same tires, and STOCK brakes, my car would be able to go faster for a longer period of time since I have the ability to brake later without crossing the threshold of lock-up. In theory that would put me ahead of the other car.
02-25-2004, 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by 21_in_az
i second that, more eveidence would be helpfull.
i second that, more eveidence would be helpfull.
Be prepared to learn a great deal of information!
02-25-2004, 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by 21_in_az
i was thinking about something here........if great brakes were put onto the tsx, it would be because it needed it.
the tl got brembos, the tsx got whatever it got.
the tl is faster, and therefore needs better braking capability...where as the tsx is slower, and doesnt need as good of brakes as the tl.
so, in theory, we dont need brakes untill we get more horsepower and torque.
im sure someone will get all mad at me for saying that, but, again this is just my IMO!
i was thinking about something here........if great brakes were put onto the tsx, it would be because it needed it.
the tl got brembos, the tsx got whatever it got.
the tl is faster, and therefore needs better braking capability...where as the tsx is slower, and doesnt need as good of brakes as the tl.
so, in theory, we dont need brakes untill we get more horsepower and torque.
im sure someone will get all mad at me for saying that, but, again this is just my IMO!
02-26-2004, 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by JTso
I think better brakes are always important regardless how much HP the TSX has, because you don't need a lot of HP to cruise at 100 mph. But the car with better brakes will always stop quicker in a shorter distance. Also, the best brake won't do you any good if the car has poor tires, as they are the only thing that contact the road.
I think better brakes are always important regardless how much HP the TSX has, because you don't need a lot of HP to cruise at 100 mph. But the car with better brakes will always stop quicker in a shorter distance. Also, the best brake won't do you any good if the car has poor tires, as they are the only thing that contact the road.
02-27-2004, 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by 21_in_az
i know that the rear rotors are mostly for looks only, but, i want one of those as well. do you think stoptech will make one?
i know that the rear rotors are mostly for looks only, but, i want one of those as well. do you think stoptech will make one?
02-27-2004, 10:50 AM
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since i already have painted calys, it will be easy then!
BUT, HOW DOES COMPTECH ROTORS COMPARE? they are slotted, not cross drilled....i think. why not just do these all around, since slotted are better than cross-drilled........im curious. anyone know?
BUT, HOW DOES COMPTECH ROTORS COMPARE? they are slotted, not cross drilled....i think. why not just do these all around, since slotted are better than cross-drilled........im curious. anyone know?
02-27-2004, 11:19 AM
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Stoptech rotors will make your car stop 40 feet shorter than any other braking system on the market!
J/K
Actually I think there will be a very minor difference between the three companies. I would probably stick with either Stoptech or Brembo simply because they specialize in brakes. Stoptech will probably be a lot cheaper than Brembo.
J/K
Actually I think there will be a very minor difference between the three companies. I would probably stick with either Stoptech or Brembo simply because they specialize in brakes. Stoptech will probably be a lot cheaper than Brembo.
02-27-2004, 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by Dan Martin
Stoptech rotors will make your car stop 40 feet shorter than any other braking system on the market!
Stoptech rotors will make your car stop 40 feet shorter than any other braking system on the market!
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02-27-2004, 11:36 AM
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Major, those stickers actually flare out when you hit the brakes and act as air brakes similar to what you would have on an airplane. They should be good for an additional 20' easy... :P
02-27-2004, 11:49 AM
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ya, the stickers are SOOOO AWESOME! there so awesome, you need a shopping cart wing on your car just to keep it on the ground!
hey, i heard theres an upgradeable brembo sticker that when you hit the brakes, little people pop out and stop your car!!! is this true?!?!?!?! maybe thats why there so exspennsive, its costly to keep them little buggars fed!!
hey, i heard theres an upgradeable brembo sticker that when you hit the brakes, little people pop out and stop your car!!! is this true?!?!?!?! maybe thats why there so exspennsive, its costly to keep them little buggars fed!!
02-27-2004, 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by 21_in_az
ya, the stickers are SOOOO AWESOME! there so awesome, you need a shopping cart wing on your car just to keep it on the ground!
hey, i heard theres an upgradeable brembo sticker that when you hit the brakes, little people pop out and stop your car!!! is this true?!?!?!?! maybe thats why there so exspennsive, its costly to keep them little buggars fed!!
ya, the stickers are SOOOO AWESOME! there so awesome, you need a shopping cart wing on your car just to keep it on the ground!
hey, i heard theres an upgradeable brembo sticker that when you hit the brakes, little people pop out and stop your car!!! is this true?!?!?!?! maybe thats why there so exspennsive, its costly to keep them little buggars fed!!
02-27-2004, 02:45 PM
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I can't believe that this post if 5 pages long and nobody pointed out that bigger slotted (or drilled) rotors, bigger 4 piston calipers and all the fancy hardware won't mean diddly unless you increase the friction the tires are able to generate against the road.
Let's face it, the stock brakes are strong enough to lock up the tires already. Once the ABS is on, it doesn't matter how much clamping force you have. The tires won't let you stop faster.
Fade is another issue alltogether and yes, better brakes would have a higher tolerance to fade than the current stock system. But this issue does not seem to be the major talking point.
Bottom line: If you want to stop faster, get some sticky tires and the stock system will do you fine. If you want to stop fast for several laps (track environment) you need both more brake and more tire.
Let's face it, the stock brakes are strong enough to lock up the tires already. Once the ABS is on, it doesn't matter how much clamping force you have. The tires won't let you stop faster.
Fade is another issue alltogether and yes, better brakes would have a higher tolerance to fade than the current stock system. But this issue does not seem to be the major talking point.
Bottom line: If you want to stop faster, get some sticky tires and the stock system will do you fine. If you want to stop fast for several laps (track environment) you need both more brake and more tire.
02-27-2004, 02:54 PM
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Colin, you're right that tires will probably make the biggest improvement to your stopping times. IMHO a big brake kit is probably worthless for a street car. Most of the gains from a kit could be had by just upgrading the pads on the stock system. People do it more for style than anything else in which case it doesn't really matter what brand they go for.
Oh BTW, this is only page 2 for me. :P
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Oh BTW, this is only page 2 for me. :P
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02-27-2004, 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Colin
I can't believe that this post if 5 pages long and nobody pointed out that bigger slotted (or drilled) rotors, bigger 4 piston calipers and all the fancy hardware won't mean diddly unless you increase the friction the tires are able to generate against the road.
Let's face it, the stock brakes are strong enough to lock up the tires already. Once the ABS is on, it doesn't matter how much clamping force you have. The tires won't let you stop faster.
Fade is another issue alltogether and yes, better brakes would have a higher tolerance to fade than the current stock system. But this issue does not seem to be the major talking point.
Bottom line: If you want to stop faster, get some sticky tires and the stock system will do you fine. If you want to stop fast for several laps (track environment) you need both more brake and more tire.
I can't believe that this post if 5 pages long and nobody pointed out that bigger slotted (or drilled) rotors, bigger 4 piston calipers and all the fancy hardware won't mean diddly unless you increase the friction the tires are able to generate against the road.
Let's face it, the stock brakes are strong enough to lock up the tires already. Once the ABS is on, it doesn't matter how much clamping force you have. The tires won't let you stop faster.
Fade is another issue alltogether and yes, better brakes would have a higher tolerance to fade than the current stock system. But this issue does not seem to be the major talking point.
Bottom line: If you want to stop faster, get some sticky tires and the stock system will do you fine. If you want to stop fast for several laps (track environment) you need both more brake and more tire.
02-27-2004, 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by JTso
Yes, I agree and I have pointed it out. See my previous post.
Yes, I agree and I have pointed it out. See my previous post.
